Itachi misconceptions !!

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I've actually already showed in the above video that it was amaterasu that he used on gaara.

The keyword here is video. The manga is canon, not anime. In the manga, amaterasu is described as appearing ON the target. It has been shown that Sasuke can control already existing flames, and Itachi as well. The example with Gaara was that, not the creation of new flames.
 

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Here is another fun fact about Itachi casting Amaterasu....it's not instant, he has to prepare it also


Here is Itachi preparing amaterasu for the first time during the Sasuke fight

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Next page, still preparing

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and then Sasuke throws a shuriken and Itachi loses focus

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..it can easily be interrupted
 

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The keyword here is video. The manga is canon, not anime. In the manga, amaterasu is described as appearing ON the target. It has been shown that Sasuke can control already existing flames, and Itachi as well. The example with Gaara was that, not the creation of new flames.

Appearing on the target would be correct for amaterasu, as it moves rather than the eye can handle. It's incredible fast, which would be a mistranslation, on people believe that it's "Enton", However.. Maybe i'm wrong.. However, i was merely stating that if you both it's path it can be avoided.
 

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Its a good thread. And I'd like to point somethings as well.

Facts :

1. Tsukuyomi hasn't killed anyone or rather it can't.

2. The range for tsukuyomi is 5-8 metres now look this is where is actually used his Tsukuyomi and its a close range. You can confirm it where you can see Tsukuyomi broken and Sasuke is standing in front of the shurikens.

3. Amaterasu was never an instant KO because the flames burn fairly slowly! Giving the opponent time to get rid of the burnt part [An arm in case of Ay and the Armour in case of that Fodder Samurai]

4. Yata is only 180 and Itachi is vulnerable from the behind [as said in OP] and that is something he can't afford against someone like or of a higher level ninja.

5. I am not going to talk about the strain the MS puts on him or his cancer which handicap his abilities.
 

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Its a good thread. And I'd like to point somethings as well.

Facts :

1. Tsukuyomi hasn't killed anyone or rather it can't.

2. The range for tsukuyomi is 5-8 metres now look this is where is actually used his Tsukuyomi and its a close range. You can confirm it where you can see Tsukuyomi broken and Sasuke is standing in front of the shurikens.

3. Amaterasu was never an instant KO because the flames burn fairly slowly! Giving the opponent time to get rid of the burnt part [An arm in case of Ay and the Armour in case of that Fodder Samurai]

4. Yata is only 180 and Itachi is vulnerable from the behind [as said in OP] and that is something he can't afford against someone like or of a higher level ninja.

5. I am not going to talk about the strain the MS puts on him or his cancer which handicap his abilities.

Nicely said :D
 

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Take a chill man..

This was the original way kishi was gonna end it...Than he thought he doesnt have enough money so he changed it...made manga little longer


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outside of plot, im just not seeing minato win this
 

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First of all the finger genjutsu you are wrong. It requires 1 seal and 1 seal only and in that pages you uploaded only the ram seal was demonstrated unless you can show me another seal prepared by itachi.

Where does it say it needs 1 seal? If you look at the manga you can clearly see that he does more than one hand seal?

If you go back to the scan you'd notice that only 1 seal was weaved, the ram seal. Never ever has the manga shown more than the ram seal unless you can show me another seal. He weaved the seal here [ ], that is the only seal the manga shows because that is the only seal that was needed. After he just points his finger. Again even in the genjutsu you'd note that he maintains this 1 seal when needed [ ]

Sakura was and lady chiyo were breaking him out of it.. They would obviously have been beside him even if he were to run of, because they would of had to use their chakra on him to break him from the genjutsu. However, you may be correct, never the less the point is that it takes time to prepare you haven't shown me anything that would indicate overwise... Why else would he have done all those seals? Surely your not saying kish demonstrated those signs in the manga for no reason?

Again you are wrong, if you know how genjutsu works. If naruto had run a few metres away from them he wouldnt be besides them for them to break him out of it. From start to finish he was beside them the whole time. [ ]. Also in that world of genjutsu it might feel like a considerable amount of time, but in the real world its a matter of seconds.

If this is what you speak of [ ], then that was in an illusion. It never happened

Tsukuyomi.. It's a short range technique i already explained to you that i wasn't sure if that was entirely accurate, although it's around that range of 0-5 meters. Point is, he actually he has only did it at the start of the match... He never activated the Tsukuyomi untill he has him against the wall.... Where does it stated or show you that he did it while in the Shurikan battle? That's completely lies..


He actually performed his Tsukuyomi during the time he had him against the wall... (You may disagree, prove to me were he got him in it during the battle).. It never stated it's "Impossible" Near impossible as he's hasn't done it in the heat of battle... He used it when he has sasuke up against the wall... That's what i see from the manga...

Around 0-5 m yet you cannot prove this, no where in the manga or DB does it give its range in metres, but rather makes it vague by stating its short range, fact is that not making eye contact is almost impossible in any situation, but also majority will succumb to a kanashibari genjutsu derived from the 3 tomoe sharingan and not nessarily tsukuyomi. Tsukuyomi has been used further than that range. Again you are wrong about tsukuymi against sasuke. Tsukuyomi was activated during the shuriken assault and not after. This is where sasuke breaks free from tsukuyomi [ , ]. Notice that the gap was always there. Itachi had never closed the gap to use tsukuyomi. He used it during the shuriken assault and in its in tsukuyomi that itachi kicked sasuke into the wall. Believe me i know what i speak off more than you. Similar against kakashi this was the range after tsukuyomi was used [ ], not a bad range at all. May i also say that its not always that itachi has to close his eyes. Against sasuke he never closed his eyes. When he used it on sasuke again to free him from mugen onsa he never closed his eyes

I agree that Susanoo can protect him, although this thread was made to talk about those particular techniques, purely because people don't understand that they have limitations... You're telling me that it takes 1 hand sign for the "Finger genjutsu" yet it's been shown he did at least "5" over a period of 3 chapters, which shows me that he most prepare it. (Could be wrong, although it doesn't look like that)

Again show me more than 5 handseals, its 1 and 1 only. That ram seal is a seal that both sasuke and itachi has used to gather chakra when needed to perform genjutsu and sasuke demonstrated a seal here [ ]

This thread wasn't to talk about him in general, it's the point that people just think that he can't be touched purely because he has "Yata mirror" I'm merely stating that he can be touched if you have the ability to break his susanoo... People believe that if you have Yata mirror he can't be touched and is invincible...

Everybody grasps to hype, something that minato fans seem very good at and he was hyped even to be invincible with the 2 legendary weapons. Obivously this isn't true however the yata mirror is special. The mirror cannot be broken though, im certain of that. Btw for the yata mirror im only stating it protects from the front only because that seems logical, however its never been stated either in the manga/DB to be a fact, rather a reasonable assumption. Ill further elaborate on the yata mirror because there is a massive misconception though you never spoke of it. People believe first that the yata mirror is only effective against ninjutsu but also it blocks only. That is false, true the yata mirror was said to neutralise ninjutsu, however it can also deflect attacks and we have seen this further given backing by the DB entry. [ ]. And we saw this when it deflected sasuke's kusanagi sword which went flying [ , ]. And explosive tags [ ]. Neither attacks are elemental attacks



Amaterasu activation chances air pressure before it attacks meaning that they have the ability to do something.., Not everyone, although i'm merely stating again that it's no impossible to dodge it. Again... This is down to people overrating it, in their debates making it out to be impossible.

So far 2 sensors both in akatsuki have noted the air pressure. Now whether people outside sensors like zetsu or nagato can feel this i do not know. Unlike those butt hurt fans here who seem to be fazed by the thread because of their insecurities im not. However some of what you state are incorrect. Every technique as its been said does have its advantages and disadvantage's and i agree there are those who just state tsukuyomi gg or amaterasu gg however every fanbase state a similar thing about their character. That is however because nb is general are lacking and cannot take advantage and argue a character's base powers before going onto their unique techniques when their opposition has fully disintegrated their points about their characters base
 
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a lot of drawbacks simply exist because of itachi`s illness.i bet he could use tsukuyomi and everything else a lot more effectivelly when healthy........
 

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the OP get's destroyed by one of itachi's fans
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laughable minato fans laughable
 

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Its a good thread. And I'd like to point somethings as well.

Facts :

1. Tsukuyomi hasn't killed anyone or rather it can't.

2. The range for tsukuyomi is 5-8 metres now look this is where is actually used his Tsukuyomi and its a close range. You can confirm it where you can see Tsukuyomi broken and Sasuke is standing in front of the shurikens.

3. Amaterasu was never an instant KO because the flames burn fairly slowly! Giving the opponent time to get rid of the burnt part [An arm in case of Ay and the Armour in case of that Fodder Samurai]

4. Yata is only 180 and Itachi is vulnerable from the behind [as said in OP] and that is something he can't afford against someone like or of a higher level ninja.

5. I am not going to talk about the strain the MS puts on him or his cancer which handicap his abilities.

1. Tsukuyomi CAN kill someone as Kisame was surprised that Kakashi was still alive, but Itachi didn't want to kill Kakashi so i'm pretty sure that Itachi didn't push Kakashi far enough to kill him, neither did he to Sasuke.

2. There's no where stated that Tsukuyomi has a limited Range, and it's stated that Itachi was able to cast people in a genjutsu from far distances.

3. It depends on where the target is hit, if his whole body is burning he can't get rid of it.

4. Itachi's Sasuno'o still protects him and i bet that Itachi can turn around so that Yata faces the right direction, and Yata mirror deflects ANY, yes ANY jutsu, and can't effort? Really? Itachi fodders someone like Ay.
 

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a lot of drawbacks simply exist because of itachi`s illness.i bet he could use tsukuyomi and everything else a lot more effectivelly when healthy........

No shit Sherlock.
 

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We haven't seen Hashirama beat EMS Madara.
Nor have we seen Tobirama create Edo Tensei.

OT: I can see you put a lot of effort into this thread :)

Or it showed how much i really cared. After all i was just replying to the latest threads
 
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