Itachi lied about Jiraiya taking him to his limit.
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Your a blind fanboy everything you say isn't taken seriously. Itachi beating Negato, Madara ect. is plain stupid. You didn't give real evidence, what your saying about Itachi I could say something similar with Hashirama, Minato, Tobirama,Kabuto, Nagato ect. piss off
Note that the reason I say, I believe, is because i'm not Kishimoto so I won't state that I absolutely know what the outcome of every "vs." is going to be. Based on what they've shown.
I believe that Itachi would defeat Jaraiya with mid difficulty in some scenarios unless Jaraiya manages to go into SM and use the frog song.
I believe Itachi would defeat Minato with Mid-Hard difficulty if Minato scatters his Kunai or manages to tag Itachi. If he tags Itachi, then the tide might turn to his favor and Itachi might lose. If Itachi pulls Susanoo out, then it will be difficult so Minato would have to resort to keeping his distance while Itachi has it up to make sure it drains his chakra. And/Or hope Itachi happens to get close to one of his Kunais. Close enough for him to FTG inside of Susanoo and use Rasengan. Since those are two of the few techniques i've seen Minato use.
I believe 6pop would defeat Itachi. Their teamwork is essential here and Nagato himself isn't a complete moron. He is more of a combat strategist when using his 6pop. Deva Path would be his downfall by pulling Itachi out of Susanoo while the others attack him. Itachi himself would have problems keeping his concentration on every single path. Especially since he has to worry about suddenly being pulled or pushed outside of his Susanoo. This would leave him defenceless for the moment (especially if he's caught offguard) and the other paths could attack with long-ranged attacks (missiles), have the summons attack him (which he could probably dispatch a few), or both. All this while Animal Path and Naraka Path fly up in the bird just incase any of the paths face trouble or are killed (Animal Path summoning the fallen path and Naraka Path reviving it). Tsukyomi is useless if the paths feel no pain. It would be a waste of chakra.
Regular genjutsu though is confusing. When Ma and Pa used the frog song, the other 3 paths had already been summoned and only 3 of them (the ones who personally heard the frog song) were caught in it. Leads me to believe that if Itachi uses genjutsu on one of them, the others won't be affected (like 6 different cameras, in one camera, Nagato will see the illusions but in the rest, he won't so he'll be able to tell the difference between the illusion and reality). So if genjutsu is used, one path will be affected but the rest would "bombard" Itachi while he focuses on the illusion. When facing the 6pop(if they go all out on their abilities), keeping focus is hard to do with so much going on. All while they have their focus on 1 Itachi.
In my opinion, Itachi has better chances against Nagato. Though I still believe Nagato would probably still defeat Itachi, Itachi is capable of pulling out a win if he catches Nagato in Tsukyomi since Nagato could feel pain himself. Whether or not he can use his abilities while under genjutsu is unknown to me but "if" he can, he could use a Shinra Tensei large enough to try to break Itachi's focus on the genjutsu. Totsuka Blade is also another factor but if it is repeled, it could take the same amount of time for the Susanoo to recover from the shock as long as the interval is in place. If Nagato gets close enough to Susanoo for him to use Preta Path in the confusion that the summons could provide him with, then Susanoo would start to lose its form as it's being absorbed by Nagato. Nagato himself won't be conpletely defenceless either as he also has other paths to use such as Asura Path for its missiles, weapons, and armor.
Amaterasu, could be repeled but it will probably happen after it hits or maybe absorbed if Preta Path is kept active at all times.
CT, well it is hard to counter with all the rubble going up towards the sphere as well. If it lasts long enough to have made a few layers, then it will lower Itachi's chances of destroying it if any.
Large Scale ST will probably be repeled by simply using the Yata Mirror. Nagato's best option with Deva Path would be to pull Itachi out.
If Nagato is allowed to use Bansho Tennin on Itachi's eyes, then Itachi's sharingan abilities and sight is going to be left out of the fight.
Against Tobi, Tobi's S/T will be a pain for Itachi as he could warp behind Itachi and warp him away. Itachi's body form will start to lose its form as it's being pulled in (if you know what I mean). Not sure how he is going to counter attack. His Susanoo itself won't be able to attack Tobi if Tobi is inside it. Itachi actually does have better chances of not being absorbed if he is outside of Susanoo just incase Tobi pops up behind him or infront of him, Susanoo will be able to attack. Using Totsuka Blade while he is being absorbed though might get both Tobi and Itachi sealed if it pierces Itachi as well. This is the Tobi without the Rinnegan. With the Rinnegan would give him even higher chances. Just like warping to Itachi and using Human Path if he doesn't want to go through the trouble of warping him away. His genjutsu was also enough to kill Konan after he had her tell him where she hid the Rinnegan(Nagato).
I believe Hashirama will defeat Itachi due to Bringer of Darkness to remove Itachi's sight which would most likely turn the battle in Hashirama's favor. This followed by Flower Tree World might bring drowziness to Itachi which would effect his performance. It could also put him to sleep and if it does, a simple stab itself could kill Itachi. However, if he is caught in Tsukyomi, then as far as I know, Hashirama has no counters to it. I believe Hashirama's counter to Madara's genjutsu
(I doubt he had Tsukyomi) during their fight was the Bringer of Darkness technique itself. No evidence for this but well, like I said, it's my belief since it seems like an appropiate counter to it.
Current Madara will most likely overwhelm Itachi with Mokuton clones using Susanoo. Diverting focus and Itachi might lose track of the real Madara.
EMS Madara. Well, I don't know so much about his MS techniques other than Susanoo. His is massive. There could be several scenarios for this but I don't know who the victor would be.
I believe that Itachi would defeat Jaraiya with mid difficulty in some scenarios unless Jaraiya manages to go into SM and use the frog song.
I believe Itachi would defeat Minato with Mid-Hard difficulty if Minato scatters his Kunai or manages to tag Itachi. If he tags Itachi, then the tide might turn to his favor and Itachi might lose. If Itachi pulls Susanoo out, then it will be difficult so Minato would have to resort to keeping his distance while Itachi has it up to make sure it drains his chakra. And/Or hope Itachi happens to get close to one of his Kunais. Close enough for him to FTG inside of Susanoo and use Rasengan. Since those are two of the few techniques i've seen Minato use.
I believe 6pop would defeat Itachi. Their teamwork is essential here and Nagato himself isn't a complete moron. He is more of a combat strategist when using his 6pop. Deva Path would be his downfall by pulling Itachi out of Susanoo while the others attack him. Itachi himself would have problems keeping his concentration on every single path. Especially since he has to worry about suddenly being pulled or pushed outside of his Susanoo. This would leave him defenceless for the moment (especially if he's caught offguard) and the other paths could attack with long-ranged attacks (missiles), have the summons attack him (which he could probably dispatch a few), or both. All this while Animal Path and Naraka Path fly up in the bird just incase any of the paths face trouble or are killed (Animal Path summoning the fallen path and Naraka Path reviving it). Tsukyomi is useless if the paths feel no pain. It would be a waste of chakra.
Regular genjutsu though is confusing. When Ma and Pa used the frog song, the other 3 paths had already been summoned and only 3 of them (the ones who personally heard the frog song) were caught in it. Leads me to believe that if Itachi uses genjutsu on one of them, the others won't be affected (like 6 different cameras, in one camera, Nagato will see the illusions but in the rest, he won't so he'll be able to tell the difference between the illusion and reality). So if genjutsu is used, one path will be affected but the rest would "bombard" Itachi while he focuses on the illusion. When facing the 6pop(if they go all out on their abilities), keeping focus is hard to do with so much going on. All while they have their focus on 1 Itachi.
In my opinion, Itachi has better chances against Nagato. Though I still believe Nagato would probably still defeat Itachi, Itachi is capable of pulling out a win if he catches Nagato in Tsukyomi since Nagato could feel pain himself. Whether or not he can use his abilities while under genjutsu is unknown to me but "if" he can, he could use a Shinra Tensei large enough to try to break Itachi's focus on the genjutsu. Totsuka Blade is also another factor but if it is repeled, it could take the same amount of time for the Susanoo to recover from the shock as long as the interval is in place. If Nagato gets close enough to Susanoo for him to use Preta Path in the confusion that the summons could provide him with, then Susanoo would start to lose its form as it's being absorbed by Nagato. Nagato himself won't be conpletely defenceless either as he also has other paths to use such as Asura Path for its missiles, weapons, and armor.
Amaterasu, could be repeled but it will probably happen after it hits or maybe absorbed if Preta Path is kept active at all times.
CT, well it is hard to counter with all the rubble going up towards the sphere as well. If it lasts long enough to have made a few layers, then it will lower Itachi's chances of destroying it if any.
Large Scale ST will probably be repeled by simply using the Yata Mirror. Nagato's best option with Deva Path would be to pull Itachi out.
If Nagato is allowed to use Bansho Tennin on Itachi's eyes, then Itachi's sharingan abilities and sight is going to be left out of the fight.
Against Tobi, Tobi's S/T will be a pain for Itachi as he could warp behind Itachi and warp him away. Itachi's body form will start to lose its form as it's being pulled in (if you know what I mean). Not sure how he is going to counter attack. His Susanoo itself won't be able to attack Tobi if Tobi is inside it. Itachi actually does have better chances of not being absorbed if he is outside of Susanoo just incase Tobi pops up behind him or infront of him, Susanoo will be able to attack. Using Totsuka Blade while he is being absorbed though might get both Tobi and Itachi sealed if it pierces Itachi as well. This is the Tobi without the Rinnegan. With the Rinnegan would give him even higher chances. Just like warping to Itachi and using Human Path if he doesn't want to go through the trouble of warping him away. His genjutsu was also enough to kill Konan after he had her tell him where she hid the Rinnegan(Nagato).
I believe Hashirama will defeat Itachi due to Bringer of Darkness to remove Itachi's sight which would most likely turn the battle in Hashirama's favor. This followed by Flower Tree World might bring drowziness to Itachi which would effect his performance. It could also put him to sleep and if it does, a simple stab itself could kill Itachi. However, if he is caught in Tsukyomi, then as far as I know, Hashirama has no counters to it. I believe Hashirama's counter to Madara's genjutsu
(I doubt he had Tsukyomi) during their fight was the Bringer of Darkness technique itself. No evidence for this but well, like I said, it's my belief since it seems like an appropiate counter to it.
Current Madara will most likely overwhelm Itachi with Mokuton clones using Susanoo. Diverting focus and Itachi might lose track of the real Madara.
EMS Madara. Well, I don't know so much about his MS techniques other than Susanoo. His is massive. There could be several scenarios for this but I don't know who the victor would be.
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well your totaly right about naruto being killed.... itachi would definetly be in jmans way and kisame would kill naruto easy.... but jman woudnt die so easily i think jman is definetly stronger then itachi... i say this because itachi says someone is stronger then him he knows himself... when itachi beats kabuto he doesnt say i cant beat him.... see the thing about it is just because we only see sage mode once and jman loses to pain.. due to plot i mean seriously he choses to go out of sage mode and gets pwned.
anyway jman shoudnt be underestimated.
thats not true before amaterasu is used you can feel a change of pressure in the air.. u can sense it, thats like saying u cant dodge jmans needle jutsu i mean think of it , it takes a second for ameterasu to appear, same for a needle with jirayais jutsu... see this is the thing itachi says everyone has a weakness... and when itachi said jman would beat them he knew jman is the worst matchup for him.. i realy think this to be true.
Lol... is this a joke? You are talking about the first Hokage without even knowing all his abilities... Even Madara.. I am a Huge Itachi fan but i'm sorry you are only thinking of Itachi's abilities.. You are not thinking of the abilities the others might have. Sure Itachi is one of the strongest. But you are forgetting Itachi has very low stamina.
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First off, some unnamed, unknown group of Ninjas killed the 1st. Kakuzu fought the first and lived. You guys aren't adding up the evidence. Madara is OP right now but its b/c of his condition in Edo. The powers Tobi and Madara are exhibiting are purely additives their real power meaning NO EDO, NO 1-7 TAILED BEAST 8-9 TAILED PIECES STATUE is defeating Itachi with their own abilities. Im sorry its just not possible.
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