itachi is weaker than sasuke and minato

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In almost all the top strongest thread I see, itachi is always above sasuke and minato and I don't get how an ms user can beat an ems user or a space time jutsu master. Even 3T sasuke made him use susanoo(his trump card) in order not to die immediately

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My thoughts? Minato gets oneshotted by any genjutsu and MS/EMS Sasuke is above Itachi.
 

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fail thread. without itachi MS sasuke not get ems and itachi in serious fight beat shit from sauce easy... also weak itachi use susanoo not for sasuke
 

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fail thread. without itachi MS sasuke not get ems and itachi in serious fight beat shit from sauce easy... also weak itachi use susanoo not for sasuke

Whats your point??? and sasuke still would have gotten ms, its just like saying itachi lose to shisui because he gave him ms
 

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healthy itachi>minato and sasuke.

IMO itachi beats sasuke with tsukuyomi because sasuke isnt as skilled with it...but i could be wrong...maybe sasuke is way more proficient with it now...plus itachi has yata mirror and sword of totsuka+KA.it goes to itachi`s favor

i`ll see how it goes....for now itachi is above sasuke.....but if sasuke shows great proficiency with genjutsu then sasuke wins
 

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Reason is his MS>sasuke's EMS ...itachi has strongest tsukiyomi , amaterasu n powerful susano'o with totsuka blade n yata mirror ...itachi was sick and had no intention of defeating sasuke he just wanted to corner him in order to lure oro n seal him thats all
what sasuke has ...a susano'o with amaterasu arrow only no totsuka blade n yata mirror ..no tsukiyomi as itachi ...so itachi>sasuke anyday

Minato has good combat reflexe still he needs powerful weapon to defend against his susano'o...KM minato can win ...but non KM minato cannot ..
 

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Yeah, but I doubt minato would fall for genjutsu

it`s either not look at itachi`s eyes and not knowing where amaterasu will be spawned or look at itachi`s eyes to see where amaterasu will be spawned and get hit with tsukuyomi...but it`s a difficult fight nonetheless
 

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I believe he is stronger than minato but weaker than sasuke.
 

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healthy itachi>minato and sasuke.

IMO itachi beats sasuke with tsukuyomi because sasuke isnt as skilled with it...but i could be wrong...maybe sasuke is way more proficient with it now...plus itachi has yata mirror and sword of totsuka+KA.it goes to itachi`s favor

i`ll see how it goes....for now itachi is above sasuke.....but if sasuke shows great proficiency with genjutsu then sasuke wins

Sasuke can escape itachi tsukuyomi(he did it with just 3T) and sasuke is more proficient with amaterasu than itachi,also itachi could not maintain susanoo for long(that's the reason his eyes became normal after susanoo evaporated) while sasuke's susanoo is long, mid and short range(and the arrow is one of the fastest long range jutsu there is)
 
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minato is above itachi and sasuke, even though sasuke is a harder opponent.
lol, at all the uchiha fans who think that susanoo is worth shit against minato. susanoo gets ftg'd away.
amaterasu? totsuka? genjutsu? good luck hitting minato with those.
 
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Reason is his MS>sasuke's EMS ...itachi has strongest tsukiyomi , amaterasu n powerful susano'o with totsuka blade n yata mirror ...itachi was sick and had no intention of defeating sasuke he just wanted to corner him in order to lure oro n seal him thats all
what sasuke has ...a susano'o with amaterasu arrow only no totsuka blade n yata mirror ..no tsukiyomi as itachi ...so itachi>sasuke anyday

Minato has good combat reflexe still he needs powerful weapon to defend against his susano'o...KM minato can win ...but non KM minato cannot ..

Itachi amaterasu is not stronger or faster than sasuke's, and itachi susanoo wouldn't be any good if sasuke is far from him(since its short range) and yata mirror only blocks the front of susanoo(the back can be penetrate, danzo proved that) so itachi susanoo is no use here

And sasuke surpasses itachi in other jutsus seeing that itachi is water(lightening beats water) and fire(sasuke's fire surpasses itachi)style, so itachi would just be pros ponding his death(don't forget that if you use ms too much,say bye-bye to it)
 
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Sasuke obviously outlasts Itachi, so i'm not going to argue about him. I'd argue about a Itachi vs Minato though

Genjutsu counters

It has never been shown Minato's performance against genjutsu, but it was stated during the kage summit that Sharingan can't follow the speed of the likes of Raikage(compared to Minato) enough to actually catch the person in the genjutsu. Not only that, but now that we know he can use clone, all he has to do is to create one during the battle. Itachi can see handsigns with his Sharingan, but Sharingan can't distinguish clone with the original.

Genjutsu doesn't work on clone, so Itachi would have to make sure to be sure if the one he is facing is the clone or the original to try genjutsu. Not only that but even if he smh manage to catch the original in his genjutsu, the clone being capable to perform Hiraishin themselves could easily teleport to the original in an instant to disturb the chakra flow.

The clone may not even do it directly and wait until Itachi would close the distance in order to attack the original(while in genjutsu) and appear instantly to finish him(Itachi being close to the markings on the original's pocket).

But if Itachi fails and only put the clone in the genjutsu, it won't work like i've stated before. But if Minato wants, he could feint Itachi into believing it was fooled by the genjutsu only to take advantage of this if Itachi were trying to kill the clone(not knowing it's one) while closing the distance to destroy him

Combat advantage

Minato reflexive speed is so fast that it has often be compared to the likes of A or Naruto. He even outsped A's maximum shunshin by throwing his kunai above him(while close to his face) and outsped him before he actually traversed his kunai completely, from a decent distance caught infant Naruto who was an instant away to get impaled by Obito's kunai in an instant, crossed entire konoha in an instant to immobilise the Kyubi via Summoning jutsu, outsped even great shunshin users like Tobirama as well as the likes Hashirama(the supposed God of Shinobi). So a Minato alone is already difficult to handle because of his natural reflexive speed, but with another clone it will even be more difficult, especially since his clone can also perform FTG.

Good luck for Itachi to destroy them then. How could he even land a hit is questionable. As stated in latest chapter, his markings remain forever with no possible way to remove them, and since Minato is faster, if they engage in close combat, he is screwed. Itachi uses clone in offensive phase, so it's unlikely that he could use them and even if he does, until when? A clone remove half of your chakra and Itachi isn't a chakra monster. He would probably have to protect himself with Susanoo though

Only problem is that protecting himself with Susanoo would only make the fight last longer. Since he has no way to actually hit the opponent, maintaining Susanoo will be useless in the end considering the side effects of the jutsu.

It will even slow Itachi's reaction like Kabuto stated in their battle and more time will pass, more his speed, reflexes, stamina(and even sight since he has MS) will reduce. So sooner or later Minato will win, and that's even if Minato actually want to make the fight last that long. It's really questionable if Susanoo would even be that useful against Minato's arsenal. We've seen that underground is Susanoo's weakness thanks to Gaara who used the sand under Madara's feet, so by landing kunais or markings near the feet of the user, he should be capable to strike Itachi down in one teleportation, especially since the jutsu even has a radius

Knowledge

Itachi fans usually say that Minato has no knowledge on tsukuyomi, so he will get hit by it, but forget most of the time that tsukuyomi is only a increased form of Sharingan genjutsu. Sharingan genjutsu are well-known over the world for their dangerosity even by some stranger like Chiyo.

Minato has shown to have extensive knowledge on Sharingan capacities himself, to the point that to his knowledge only Madara could control the fox(knowing all Uchihas during his era as a Hokage), and even knew that if it was indeed him, he couldn't control him for long. He even has a contract seal that stops the sharingan control on the Kyubi, so clearly, it has been shown that Minato has great knowledge on Sharingan. So people who really think that Minato will engage any Sharingan(whoever he is) without taking precaution shouldn't fool themselves

On the other hand, Minato's abilities don't seem to be that well-known. Not even book-smart Sakura knew something about it and was totally surprised when she saw it in action. Not even his own most prominent student(Kakashi) knew about it until Minato decided to explain it to him personally and eventhen, they still didn't know about variants like FTG lvl2, space-time barriers, or subtle things like the fact markings never disappears. Not even counting Minato's other techniques like his sealing jutsus and so on, which are not even his base arsenal, so nothing even shows that Itachi has knowledge on Minato's jutsus, which could be the reason why this fight could last only seconds
 

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Sasuke can escape itachi tsukuyomi(he did it with just 3T) and sasuke is more proficient with amaterasu than itachi,also itachi could not maintain susanoo for long(that's the reason his eyes became normal after susanoo evaporated) while sasuke's susanoo is long, mid and short range(and the arrow is one of the fastest long range jutsu there is)

i am talking about healthy itachi....it was hinted by obito that sasuke only broke out of tsukuyomi because itachi let him+itachi was sick....but as i was saying sasuke may be able to break out of tsukuyomi now...
 

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i am talking about healthy itachi....it was hinted by obito that sasuke only broke out of tsukuyomi because itachi let him+itachi was sick....but as i was saying sasuke may be able to break out of tsukuyomi now...
healthy itachi doesn't exist. there is living sick itachi or edo itachi.
 
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