(Itachi) is the strongest akatsuki member ..

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I understand that Zetsu mentioned in a previous chapter that Nagato was of Senju Lineage, which, at face value, makes it appear that the Uzumakis were a branch root of the main branch: The Senjus

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However this is a false misconception, lineage is a generalized term if we take the translation of lineage based on the context of Zetsu's statement in conjunction with Kushina's statement in a later chapter, the most accurate meaning of lineage, based on context, is the anthropological definition of the word: Kinship which is synonymous to Lineage

Kin·ship - Connection by blood, marriage, or adoption; family relationship.


Therefore Nagato is a blood relative of the Senju accdg. to Zetsu, not a descendant of the Senju or the Younger Son

Kushina never said that the Uzumakis were a derivative branch family of the Senjus nor were the Uzumakis a descendant of the Younger Son, only that the Uzumakis and Senjus were merely distant relatives, then it is logical to conclude, that in conjunction with Zetsu's statement, the true intended meaning of the word "lineage" based on the context of his statement was : Kinship, of being related by blood, not the Uzumakis being a derived branch of the Senjus or a descendant of the Younger Son.

Not to mention that: (Genealogically Speaking) If the Senjus and Uzumakis descended from the same common ancestor (Younger Son) then they will be close/immediate relatives because they would be sibling clans, not distant relatives like Kushina said, which would contradict her statement and Manga canon, so it's logical to assume that the present day Uzumakis are "cousins" to both Senju and Uchiha since they did not descend from Rikudou himself but from Rikudou's relatives.

Also the original Japanese text of Zetsu in 606 is this:

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The original Japanese word that Zetsu used was "血縁" or Ketsuen which translates as "Blood Relative" NOT 子孫 or Shison which means descendant.

 

[Flawž]

Kamui.

gg.

 

[Bijuu13]

Either you're mentally challenged or- Nah thats the only possibilty

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Kamui.

gg.

Hey, yo! It's the douchebag Steven segal, went ultra retard again :|

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^^ Steven segal full retard mode activated

 

[Steven Segal]

why are you denying those FACTS..let me show you...an other page...Clearly for stupid people..like you

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GTFo again

Is that what you call a proof XD

kabuto said that nagato lacked mobility and this is nagato's fault not kabuto's fault because kabuto can't change nagato's abilities.

Even if kabuto wasn't controlling him , nagato will still same (lacked mobility)
So there is no difference if kabuto controlled him or not because the result will be the same

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Others insist that the Uzumaki Clan descended from the Younger Son, this is simply not true, one of the simplest reasons they couldn't is the Clan's trademark red hair.


We have here the Younger Son who clearly doesn't have red hair, in fact if we look at the anime depiction, the hair color is black:

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And his descendants (Hashirama, Tsunade, Tobirama, Nawaki,etc.) didn't have red hair:

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Then suddenly there's a "descendant" clan (Uzumaki) of the Younger Son whose pure blooded members (Naruto is half) all have red hair??? doesn't make sense. Obviously the Uzumakis like ancient clans practice "inbreeding" that they have always had red hair:

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Taking Biology into account, hair is one of the most consistent genes, and having the same color of hair in a clan who inbreeds is true. It doesn't make sense that a "descending" clan could develop such an unorthodox hair color if the original hair color was a different color. The interbreeding clan (Senju) would have to have red hair, or a strong dominant gene for it, but the Senjus don't, and red hair in itself is a recessive gene in humans.

Another thing is the place of origin of the Uzumakis: The Land of Eddys.

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(Red Square is Uzushiogakure)

If they were a descendant clan of the Younger Son, then why do they live in another country? The Senjus and Uchihas' origins have always been in the Land of Fire even before the foundation of Konoha:

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Not to mention the Uzumaki Clan's non-participation in the First Shinobi World War:

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The Uzumaki's absence and apathy to the war indicates distant blood relationships. not close blood relationships with the Senjus.

In fact, the Uzumakis weren't even the first ones who joined the village:

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It's because they only have distant ties with the Senjus, not to mention they lived in a whole different country.

Thus proving Kushina's statement that they were only distant blood relatives:

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And let's think about this logically: If the Uzumakis descended from the Younger Son, then they would be a "sibling clan" to the Senjus, and two sibling clans who share the same common ancestor would be considered a close relative not distant.

Lastly, we need only to look at the history/inspiration behind the Uzumaki Symbol:

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The Spiral


The Spiral Symbolism is one of the most ancient (if not the most ancient) spiritual symbol known to man. Dating back to the prehistoric era.

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(The Triple Spiral: Ancient Symbols dating back to the Megalithic and Neolithic Era)

And since the Uzumaki Village is known as the Village of Longevity:

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Then it only stands to reason that the Uzumakis are older than both Senjus and Uchihas.

The Uzumaki Clan therefore are not descendants of the Younger Son, but a cousin clan to both Senjus and Uchihas.

You may ask then if there really is a relationship between the Uzumakis and the Uchihas?

There is:

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The Uchiha Tablet was used with the Uzumaki Shrine Mask to unseal the Uzumaki Shiki Fuujin.

The Uzumakis are cousins to both Senjus and Uchihas.


The Senjus and Uchihas descended from Rikudou Sennin:

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The Uzumaki Clan descended not from Rikudou Sennin, but from Rikudou's Uzumaki Relatives.

Rikudou himself coming from the Uzumaki heritage:

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Thus making the Uzumakis a distant blood relative to both Senju and Uchiha as a cousin clan.


The Rinnegan came from the Juubi:

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That is why only the combination of the DNA of the direct descendants of Rikudou Sennin: The Uchihas and Senjus, could awaken the Rinnegan, because they have the Juubi's essence inside them.

The Uzumakis do not have the Juubi's essence, that is why they couldnt awaken the Rinnegan, they only have the immense Vitality, Chakra and Sealing Techs that Rikudou Sennin had prior to becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.

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The formula then is:

Uzumaki(Rikudou) + Juubi = Senju and Uchiha

 

[-immortal-]

Is that what you call a proof XD
kabuto said that nagato lacked mobility and this is nagato's fault not kabuto's fault.

Even if kabuto wasn't controlling him , nagato will still same (lacked mobility)
So there is no difference if kabuto controlled him or not because the result will be the same.

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if nagato wasn't controlled..he would never had been revived...Kabuto Clearly said by HIMSELF.

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hekabuto couldn't Dodge it...LOL why are you still here...Please keep denying Manga Facts...COme one its fun

 

[roner]

your a itachi fanboy troll.,no offence dude.hehe

 

[Steven Segal]

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if nagato wasn't controlled..he would never had been revived...Kabuto Clearly said by HIMSELF.

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hekabuto couldn't Dodge it...LOL why are you still here...Please keep denying Manga Facts...COme one its fun

Probably your English isn't that good

When kabuto said I couldn't dodge it doesn't mean he meant himself! !
He couldn't dodge it because nagato was lack of mobility .

I admit that kabuto should brought nagato's paths because without his path he lost in 2sec !!

Nagato can solo itachi with high difficulties only with his 6 paths but without his paths he can't win !!

Without his 6 paths, nagato is more useless than sakura

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The Mokuton is the body of the Juubi:

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The Sharingan is the eye of the Juubi:

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The Rinnegan is the Juubi's Eye (Sharingan) + Body (Mokuton) combined:

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The Uzumaki Heritage (Life Force + Sealing Jutsu) is Rikudou Sennin's original bloodline prior to becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki:

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Rikudou Sennin divided himself into Yin and Yang:

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The Juubi's Yin became the Uchiha:

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The Juubi's Yang became the Senju:

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The Senju and Uchiha then are the body and the eye of the Juubi

Therefore the equation is:

Uzumaki (Rikudou Sennin) + Juubi = Senju (Mokuton/Yang) and Uchiha (Sharingan/Yin)

 

[Ventalus]

Oh yeah you again Lol

Obito Solos, Kamui beats Susano'o, sorry Itachi fanboys.

What is Itachi greatest Genjutsu? Mindblowed Kakashi for an instant, big deal. Obito made a slave of a Perfect Jinchuuriki and as well made Konan tell him where Nagato were.

 

[-immortal-]

Probably your English isn't that good

When kabuto said I couldn't dodge it doesn't mean he meant himself! !
He couldn't dodge it because nagato was lack of mobility .

I admit that kabuto should brought nagato's paths because without his path he lost in 2sec !!

Nagato can solo itachi with high difficulties only with his 6 paths but without his paths he can't win !!

Without his 6 paths, nagato is more useless than sakura

keep denying...i like that

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why aren't you just saying i'm right...and i didn't mean that kabuto dodge it..you just trying to deny the points...nagato was Controlled and thats it..

 

[-immortal-]

The Mokuton is the body of the Juubi:

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The Sharingan is the eye of the Juubi:

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The Rinnegan is the Juubi's Eye (Sharingan) + Body (Mokuton) combined:

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The Uzumaki Heritage (Life Force + Sealing Jutsu) is Rikudou Sennin's original bloodline prior to becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki:

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Rikudou Sennin divided himself into Yin and Yang:

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The Juubi's Yin became the Uchiha:

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The Juubi's Yang became the Senju:

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The Senju and Uchiha then are the body and the eye of the Juubi

Therefore the equation is:

Uzumaki (Rikudou Sennin) + Juubi = Senju (Mokuton/Yang) and Uchiha (Sharingan/Yin)

what are you actually doing lol X

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

what are you actually doing lol X

Stating the obvious that Sage=Uzumaki :scorps:

More obvious than Tobi= Obito :scorps:

 

[paratise]

Don't feed this pathetic excuese of a troll do not even try to prove anything and waste your time...

@Sir Derp Obito; guess you found a wasteland to spread your theories... But nothing grows in the fields of such thread.

 

[Minator93]

Zetsu Rapes U_U

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Itachi shits in front of the Zetsu Brotherhood U_U

 

[Sherlock.]

what are you actually doing lol X

It's obvious.... Somebody hacked Derp's Account.... I've reported it to Rei Chan....

 

[Funky Tiger]

Too bad then you will never understand his achievement ..

Too bad that you'll probably never be good at grammar.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I wonder if OP will say the same thing when Sasuke shows he already has the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror :snick:

 

[wael reda]

ms obito can beat edo itachi since itachi has no attack can affect obito
tuskimiu: useless against ms uchiha obito
amatrasu;useless against intangibility ,obito can warp it,obito can warp himself
tutoska;useless against obito's intangibility
susano,yata:useless against intangibility and teleporting,obito can teleport behind itachi and warp him

about nagato ,what would itachi do with chibaku tensi alone?
amatrasu ,nagato can push it with shinra tensi,
tuskimiu;useless against rinngan
itachi's only chance is tutoska if he used it in 5 seconds's period and he should be close to nagato