[Theory] Itachi is stronger than Nagato

[Kira was Righteous]

Ma and Pa used genjutsu on him already...... So how do we not know if it will work? Genjutsu affects one of the five senses and uses that to disrupt your internal chakra to alter what your senses are telling you. So if you can see....... Genjutsu can affect you. Sasuke who "can see through all your jutsu" still can get caught in genjutsu. Itachi can even get caught in genjutsu with his mangekyo sharingan. As he was being controlled by Kabuto he was caught by Shisui's so it wasn't like he LET himself be caught since he wasn't in control of himself. Genjutsu is definitely still in play.

rinnegan is a eye type not a ear type and if another sharringan can break out of it a rinnegan user can, it is much more likely the rinnegan has defences v sharringan genjutsu then not seeing as its a more powerful eye type and rarer but until we establish why itachi didnt use it on Nagato when it clearly works on edo tensei people then genjustu is not a viable option if it was then he would of used first like in every battle we have ever seen him in this surely makes sense
The only thing i hear over and over again is susanoo well he cant mantain susanoo forever and seeing as Nagato went head to head with naruto and the 9 tails(captured them 3 times) he is more then able to outlast him.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

Well yea, of course it's MAY work, but to what degree? It's not really logical to say that if Itachi Tsukiyomis Negato then he is done, when the Rinnegan is a greater doujutsu then Sharingan. Ma and Pa's genjutsu is a sound genjutsu, and it does make all the difference then a sharingan genjutsu where eye contact has to be made, but I won't go too much into detail because I already went over this earlier in the thread, if you want to find out here is a link:

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With this, you can come up with a plausible conclusion on how Rinnegan may have some resistance to Sharingan, or you can completely deny it, or debate it with facts since these are facts from the manga and databook.

no i dont think for a second that it would be over if he got caught by genjutsu. I posted earlier that Nagato's chakra control is ungodly as evidenced by what hes been able to do with the bodies and everything and since Jiraiya said you can break a genjutsu with just chakra control and was trying to teach Naruto specifically for fighting Itachi I'm sure Nagato could pull it off. As far as Rinnegan resistance i think that boils down to the level of tech used. Anything VISUAL below tsukiyomi probly wouldnt affect Nagato. But the Rinnegan ISNT better than the sharingan in seeing through jutsu.... I'm sorry. Sasuke even at low level Sharingan could see through Narutos shadow clones and transformations. Pain however even with the rinnegan COULD NOT tell that Naruto had transformed into that rasen shuriken when he launched the three stage attack at him. So even though its called the greatest dojutsu, the shringan has some strengths it does not.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

rinnegan is a eye type not a ear type and if another sharringan can break out of it a rinnegan user can, it is much more likely the rinnegan has defences v sharringan genjutsu then not seeing as its a more powerful eye type and rarer but until we establish why itachi didnt use it on Nagato when it clearly works on edo tensei people then genjustu is not a viable option if it was then he would of used first like in every battle we have ever seen him in this surely makes sense
The only thing i hear over and over again is susanoo well he cant mantain susanoo forever and seeing as Nagato went head to head with naruto and the 9 tails(captured them 3 times) he is more then able to outlast him.

Well tsukiyomi only last a second but makes them endure near endless torture but edos dont fatigue so what would be the point?? It wouldnt do anything thats why he didnt use it..... Tsukiyomi works by causing pain fatigue but it hasnt even IMPLIED that edos can even FEEL pain soooooo.......

 

[arv993]

Well tsukiyomi only last a second but makes them endure near endless torture but edos dont fatigue so what would be the point?? It wouldnt do anything thats why he didnt use it..... Tsukiyomi works by causing pain fatigue but it hasnt even IMPLIED that edos can even FEEL pain soooooo.......

good point the tech is almost useless since the bodies have no mind of their own and is simply a pawn controlled by kabuto they feel no pain so mental trauma and fatigue is meaningless on an edo tensei.

 

[Izanami]

yeah this is you think itachi can escape from and this is the weaker version

 

[arv993]

yeah this is you think itachi can escape from and this is the weaker version

itachi is not slow, he is not gonna stand there, he would be attacking nagato if he even tries to pull a tech like that, all he has to do is use sword of totsuka and nagato is sealed since he is vulnerable to itachi if he tries to attack use a tech that uses that much chakra and is pretty slow. and who said he cannot use attacks like amaterasu, yaska magatami, sword and other ninjutsu to destroy it. he knos its weakness.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

itachi is not slow, he is not gonna stand there, he would be attacking nagato if he even tries to pull a tech like that, all he has to do is use sword of totsuka and nagato is sealed since he is vulnerable to itachi if he tries to attack use a tech that uses that much chakra and is pretty slow. and who said he cannot use attacks like amaterasu, yaska magatami, sword and other ninjutsu to destroy it. he knos its weakness.

but that's a full scale Shinra Tensei, it repels all attacks, so Itachi would have to try to attack before he pulls the attack off or else everything will end up being deflected, his only option is to try and use a long ranged attack before he pulls it off. Plus we really don't know how slow the tech is, we saw one full scale Shinra Tensei in action and that was when he was completely relaxed with no opponents, so that one may have been slow, but when faced with an apponent, i'm sure it could be a lot faster.

 

[arv993]

but that's a full scale Shinra Tensei, it repels all attacks, so Itachi would have to try to attack before he pulls the attack off or else everything will end up being deflected, his only option is to try and use a long ranged attack before he pulls it off. Plus we really don't know how slow the tech is, we saw one full scale Shinra Tensei in action and that was when he was completely relaxed with no opponents, so that one may have been slow, but when faced with an apponent, i'm sure it could be a lot faster.

that is where the shield comes into block a shinra tensei and do u kno something susano's sword of totsuka is not actually a sword but a spirtual one it does not fly away or anything it stays with the body of susano if he repels the sword itachi can just attack again or if he uses shinra tensei yata mirror which also another option.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

but that's a full scale Shinra Tensei, it repels all attacks, so Itachi would have to try to attack before he pulls the attack off or else everything will end up being deflected, his only option is to try and use a long ranged attack before he pulls it off. Plus we really don't know how slow the tech is, we saw one full scale Shinra Tensei in action and that was when he was completely relaxed with no opponents, so that one may have been slow, but when faced with an apponent, i'm sure it could be a lot faster.

Not to mention he did run his mouth a bit and it was all for dramatic effect at the destruction of the leaf village..... its a tv show there has to be drama it cant just be "heres the tech oops no more leaf village"

 

[Myno0on]

woow nagato almost had a heart attack doing Shinra Tensei but lets say for the fun of it itachi gets pulled in the middle of it if a tiny nine tail could escape do not u think the huge susanoo ultimate def can go rampage too and escape it?
and for all the ppl who said it took three to get nagato down, how do u know its was not over kill?
did u forget nagato can not even move,if it were not for stupied bee and naruto giving him chakrah.


so lets see nagato vs itachi
nagato has no chance cause itachi not gona attack stupidly and the guy can hardly move and 6 paths of pain are just toys if they fight itachi he can completely eblorate them.

wht im trying to say if nagato faced itachi right now he is dead but if he fought before when he had his full powers and could walk when he was younger then yea nagato would have had a chance

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

that is where the shield comes into block a shinra tensei and do u kno something susano's sword of totsuka is not actually a sword but a spirtual one it does not fly away or anything it stays with the body of susano if he repels the sword itachi can just attack again or if he uses shinra tensei yata mirror which also another option.

Yata mirror CANNOT block shinra tensei....... JEEZ I"M TIRED OF THAT STATEMENT! Thats like saying the Yata mirror can BLOCK THE WIND! Proof possitive that it has limitations is the fact that Itachi took damage from Kirin. If the attack is wider than the mirror it obviously cant block all of it. Shinra Tensei is omni-directional so even if the mirror can negate the pressure being exerted against it (which i doubt it how it works) the rest of susano'o is taking the force of the tech and therefore flying across the battlefield......

 

[arv993]

Yata mirror CANNOT block shinra tensei....... JEEZ I"M TIRED OF THAT STATEMENT! Thats like saying the Yata mirror can BLOCK THE WIND! Proof possitive that it has limitations is the fact that Itachi took damage from Kirin. If the attack is wider than the mirror it obviously cant block all of it. Shinra Tensei is omni-directional so even if the mirror can negate the pressure being exerted against it (which i doubt it how it works) the rest of susano'o is taking the force of the tech and therefore flying across the battlefield......

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susano not even yata mirror blocked this, yata mirror can block almost any attack that is directed towards it and shinra tensie is just a force, naruto's clones withstood it why cannot an ultimate defense like yata mirror. yata mirror is not just a simple shield but a spirtual one that can block almost any attack.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

woow nagato almost had a heart attack doing Shinra Tensei but lets say for the fun of it itachi gets pulled in the middle of it if a tiny nine tail could escape do not u think the huge susanoo ultimate def can go rampage too and escape it?
and for all the ppl who said it took three to get nagato down, how do u know its was not over kill?
did u forget nagato can not even move,if it were not for stupied bee and naruto giving him chakrah.


so lets see nagato vs itachi
nagato has no chance cause itachi not gona attack stupidly and the guy can hardly move and 6 paths of pain are just toys if they fight itachi he can completely eblorate them.

wht im trying to say if nagato faced itachi right now he is dead but if he fought before when he had his full powers and could walk when he was younger then yea nagato would have had a chance

He stuggled with it when he was already beaten half to death and low on chakra...... He didnt even blink this time... And TINY nine tails??? What were you looking at?!? He was almost at complete possession the nine tails was full size i.e. bigger than gamabunta and way bigger than Susano'o and NO susano'o can't "rampage" its a jutsu under itachis control not a wild hate filled chakra beast lol. And if you think for 1 second that susano'o even compares to the nine tails just stop thinking cuz its a waste of time for you. There is no shinobi alive that can compare to the Kyuubi i'm sorry. The only reason the fourth could even use the Jinchuriki seal on it was because he used a jutsu that KILLS IT USER to seal half of the Kuubis strength. You think itachi is more than twice as strong as the forth???? shut up you're stupid.

 

[spideysenses]

Nagato has the Rinnegan which is the strongest Doujutsu...

 

[arv993]

and mud factory u also forgetting that itachi did not even use yata mirror against kirin cos he had only a fraction of a second to respond and used a regular not even a fully formed susano to block the attack, of course he is gonna get hurt a little, kirin's force was also amazing but it did not make him move anywhere i dount a regular shinra tensei is close to as powerful as that.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

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susano not even yata mirror blocked this, yata mirror can block almost any attack that is directed towards it and shinra tensie is just a force, naruto's clones withstood it why cannot an ultimate defense like yata mirror. yata mirror is not just a simple shield but a spirtual one that can block almost any attack.

ok yata mirror shields his face shinra tensei hits his stomach...... yata shields his stomach shinra tensei hits the rest of him..... do you understand how a shield works??? yes it can block any attack that hits it but the rest of the attack that hit the rest of susano'o???? The yata mirror isn't a chakra WALL in front of susano'o its a shield...... And shields only stop what hits them. And since susano'o doesn't fit behind that shield he's gonna take the brunt of it..... you are taking the description of what the yata mirror can do too far. Read japanese mythology where the yata mirror comes from. It just can't be penetrated y'know like bamboo shields of fuedal japan could by like arrows and swords and spears. The intention was that it cant be destroyed by an attack. Noones attack no matter how badass is going to go through the shield. but if it spills over thats another matter entirely.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

and mud factory u also forgetting that itachi did not even use yata mirror against kirin cos he had only a fraction of a second to respond and used a regular not even a fully formed susano to block the attack, of course he is gonna get hurt a little, kirin's force was also amazing but it did not make him move anywhere i dount a regular shinra tensei is close to as powerful as that.

It is possible he didnt use it but we dont really know either because when he stood up afterward susano'o wasn't even there and everytime the anime shows susano'o they animate him forming so he shouldn't have had time for that at all. so how long does susano'o take to form REALLY? no idea. Only Kishi could tell us. But the point remains to just be like "yata mirror blocks everything" is rediculous just cuz one line says that a shield can block any attack. Obviously a shield can only block what come in contact with it.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

and mud factory u also forgetting that itachi did not even use yata mirror against kirin cos he had only a fraction of a second to respond and used a regular not even a fully formed susano to block the attack, of course he is gonna get hurt a little, kirin's force was also amazing but it did not make him move anywhere i dount a regular shinra tensei is close to as powerful as that.

It is possible he didnt use it but we dont really know either because when he stood up afterward susano'o wasn't even there and everytime the anime shows susano'o they animate him forming so he shouldn't have had time for that at all. so how long does susano'o take to form REALLY? no idea. Only Kishi could tell us. And again this is a tv show if the first time we saw susano'o was just like BAM with no drama they wouldn't be doing their jobs. But the point remains to just be like "yata mirror blocks everything" is rediculous just cuz one line says that a shield can block any attack. Obviously a shield can only block what come in contact with it.

 

[arv993]

ok yata mirror shields his face shinra tensei hits his stomach...... yata shields his stomach shinra tensei hits the rest of him..... do you understand how a shield works??? yes it can block any attack that hits it but the rest of the attack that hit the rest of susano'o???? The yata mirror isn't a chakra WALL in front of susano'o its a shield...... And shields only stop what hits them. And since susano'o doesn't fit behind that shield he's gonna take the brunt of it..... you are taking the description of what the yata mirror can do too far. Read japanese mythology where the yata mirror comes from. It just can't be penetrated y'know like bamboo shields of fuedal japan could by like arrows and swords and spears. The intention was that it cant be destroyed by an attack. Noones attack no matter how badass is going to go through the shield. but if it spills over thats another matter entirely.

dude the rest of the body does not take the brunt of it only takes the after effect of an attack, the shield is big it blocks a good portion of the susano's body and it would take most of the force and u forget that a full formed susano in itself is a good defense it would barely get affected by the samll portions of the force that is actually gonna hit the body since the yata mirror takes the brunt of the force becos it is in front of susano's body. And if a stage 1 susano can block an extremely powerful attack like kirin an attack like shinra tensei's aftershocks on a fully formed susano is nothing in comparison.

 

[arv993]

It is possible he didnt use it but we dont really know either because when he stood up afterward susano'o wasn't even there and everytime the anime shows susano'o they animate him forming so he shouldn't have had time for that at all. so how long does susano'o take to form REALLY? no idea. Only Kishi could tell us. And again this is a tv show if the first time we saw susano'o was just like BAM with no drama they wouldn't be doing their jobs. But the point remains to just be like "yata mirror blocks everything" is rediculous just cuz one line says that a shield can block any attack. Obviously a shield can only block what come in contact with it.

dude obviously ppl know that the shield blocks only what hits it and it takes more time for susano to form completely like about 2-3 seconds as shown in the anime when he fought sasuke but he cannot form it instantly he only used a susano cos if he could form a complete shield and the whole susano form in an instant he would have done it and saved naruto and bee but he only went in with the regular susano which is what all he had time for when he had to save both of them.