[Theory] Itachi is stronger than Nagato

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

The same thing that stop killer bee from using multiple TBB in succession.

If Itachi did some how manage to do multiple Totsuka Blades the time it would take him would just lead to his demise

Swinging d Totsuka Blade around doesn't drain chakra. 3 Yasaka's Magatama will not totally drain Itachi's chakra. Itachi has an above medium level chakra range but a low level stamina range.

 

[Modaro]

Swinging d Totsuka Blade around doesn't drain chakra. 3 Yasaka's Magatama will not totally drain Itachi's chakra. Itachi has an above medium level chakra range but a low level stamina range.

Basically what I just said....................

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Basically what I just said....................

Then there is nothing dat stops him frm throwing 3 Yasaka's Magatama at Chikudan Tensei then seal Nagato with d Totsuka Blade while blocking Shinra Tensei with d Yata Mirror WHICH DEFLECTS ALL THINGS

 

[Modaro]

Then there is nothing dat stops him frm throwing 3 Yasaka's Magatama at Chikudan Tensei then seal Nagato with d Totsuka Blade while blocking Shinra Tensei with d Yata Mirror WHICH DEFLECTS ALL THINGS

No no no don't get me wrong Itachi will get pwned from nagato.
Yata mirror ain't sayin s**t against nagato.

I'm sure nagato being as powerful as he is can survive a Tsukiami. He has already shown he can deflect amatrsu. Itachi can't win plus he can't us 3 of those blade thingys fast enough to have any affect on Chibaku Tensei!

 

[kadowade]

No no no don't get me wrong Itachi will get pwned from nagato.
Yata mirror ain't sayin s**t against nagato.

I'm sure nagato being as powerful as he is can survive a Tsukiami. He has already shown he can deflect amatrsu. Itachi can't win plus he can't us 3 of those blade thingys fast enough to have any affect on Chibaku Tensei!

Nagato dosent have anything that can destroy the Yata Mirror, WHICH repels All attacks. (Thats clear as day) Nagato "Repeled AMaterasu off his body" But he did burn up, but he repeled it in time.

And he cannot survive Tsukiyomi, and defiantly cannot escape because you have to be an uchiha with a Sharingan, with the same blood within you as the User (Itachi)

You must be registered for see links

So if nagato get caught in Tsukiyomi it's basically over, unless itachi spare his life, (Like he did on kakashi)

The Totsuku blade is More than fast enough to Seal Nagato away Before he uses Chibaku Tensei. Chibaku Tensei takes like 5 minutes to gather up all the rocks, and ITachi can just Amaterasu the rocks or the Black Sphere. Or he Can just Seal him away While Nagato is Gathering up rocks, since the Totsuku balde Extends, And It's Fast.

And Nagato has nothing against genjutsu since jiraiya Got him on one.
So itachi would just kill him while he's under a genjutsu before he even Tries to escape it

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Nagato dosent have anything that can destroy the Yata Mirror, WHICH repels All attacks. (Thats clear as day) Nagato "Repeled AMaterasu off his body" But he did burn up, but he repeled it in time.

And he cannot survive Tsukiyomi, and defiantly cannot escape because you have to be an uchiha with a Sharingan, with the same blood within you as the User (Itachi)

You must be registered for see links

So if nagato get caught in Tsukiyomi it's basically over, unless itachi spare his life, (Like he did on kakashi)

The Totsuku blade is More than fast enough to Seal Nagato away Before he uses Chibaku Tensei. Chibaku Tensei takes like 5 minutes to gather up all the rocks, and ITachi can just Amaterasu the rocks or the Black Sphere. Or he Can just Seal him away While Nagato is Gathering up rocks, since the Totsuku balde Extends, And It's Fast.

And Nagato has nothing against genjutsu since jiraiya Got him on one.
So itachi would just kill him while he's under a genjutsu before he even Tries to escape it

Nicely Said!

 

[Inception]

Why are you still arguing about Nagato? He already got beat by Itachi.

Itachi > Nagato.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Nagato dosent have anything that can destroy the Yata Mirror, WHICH repels All attacks. (Thats clear as day) Nagato "Repeled AMaterasu off his body" But he did burn up, but he repeled it in time.

And he cannot survive Tsukiyomi, and defiantly cannot escape because you have to be an uchiha with a Sharingan, with the same blood within you as the User (Itachi)

You must be registered for see links

So if nagato get caught in Tsukiyomi it's basically over, unless itachi spare his life, (Like he did on kakashi)

The Totsuku blade is More than fast enough to Seal Nagato away Before he uses Chibaku Tensei. Chibaku Tensei takes like 5 minutes to gather up all the rocks, and ITachi can just Amaterasu the rocks or the Black Sphere. Or he Can just Seal him away While Nagato is Gathering up rocks, since the Totsuku balde Extends, And It's Fast.

And Nagato has nothing against genjutsu since jiraiya Got him on one.
So itachi would just kill him while he's under a genjutsu before he even Tries to escape it

i already told you this in another thread Nagato has genjustu seen by him fighting kakashi and people with eye genjutsu have defences v eye genjutsu Nagato can just fly in the air and spam shinra tensei till his susanoo runs out

 

[arv993]

i already told you this in another thread Nagato has genjustu seen by him fighting kakashi and people with eye genjutsu have defences v eye genjutsu Nagato can just fly in the air and spam shinra tensei till his susanoo runs out

Itachi is probably the best or one of the best genjutsu users out there. Kakashi has genjutsu but he still got caught by Tsukiyomi. And nagato is slow when he goes up the air he can easily be sealed in that time.

 

[kadowade]

i already told you this in another thread Nagato has genjustu seen by him fighting kakashi and people with eye genjutsu have defences v eye genjutsu Nagato can just fly in the air and spam shinra tensei till his susanoo runs out

I told you in another thread that he has to stick that rod into you.
Why you think when kakashi pulled it out, The genjutsu Ended.
And Nagato's genjutsu dosent even Stop the opponent from moving, like Itachi's can.

Kakashi was able to yank that Rod out and end the Genjutsu That easy.

Spamming Shinra Tensei in the air is useless since Itachi would eventually notice, that nagato "Keep Waiting 5 seconds to do it again.
ANd itachi can just Seal him away by extending the Totsuku blade into the air to stab him and peirce him. ANd Totsuku blade does Extends.

 

[Inception]

i already told you this in another thread Nagato has genjustu seen by him fighting kakashi and people with eye genjutsu have defences v eye genjutsu Nagato can just fly in the air and spam shinra tensei till his susanoo runs out

- Shinra Tensei and his gravitational attacks have a 4 second timer every time he uses it.
- Large Shinra Tensei forces him to lose his God Realm powers for short period of time.
- I'm guessing he flies by repelling himself off the ground using God Realm gravitational powers?

 

[kadowade]

Itachi is probably the best or one of the best genjutsu users out there. Kakashi has genjutsu but he still got caught by Tsukiyomi. And nagato is slow when he goes up the air he can easily be sealed in that time.

Kakashi even had a 3 Tomoe Sharingan, which itachi even complemented on it, saying how he mastered it and he's not even a Uchiha"

 

[Inception]

I told you in another thread that he has to stick that rod into you.
Why you think when kakashi pulled it out, The genjutsu Ended.
And Nagato's genjutsu dosent even Stop the opponent from moving, like Itachi's can.

Kakashi was able to yank that Rod out and end the Genjutsu That easy.

Nagato does not and did not cast any genjutsu. He just forced his chakra into Kakashi making him "sense" Nagato's presence just as he did with Jiraiya. Remember when Naruto stabbed himself in order to sense Nagato's location? It was like that except Kakashi could not use Sage mode's ability to sense chakra and Jiraiya had no idea about his real body until the very end. Nagato has NEVER used genjutsu.

Rest of your post is correct, thumbs up .

 

[Modaro]

Nagato dosent have anything that can destroy the Yata Mirror, WHICH repels All attacks. (Thats clear as day) Nagato "Repeled AMaterasu off his body" But he did burn up, but he repeled it in time.

And he cannot survive Tsukiyomi, and defiantly cannot escape because you have to be an uchiha with a Sharingan, with the same blood within you as the User (Itachi)

You must be registered for see links

So if nagato get caught in Tsukiyomi it's basically over, unless itachi spare his life, (Like he did on kakashi)

The Totsuku blade is More than fast enough to Seal Nagato away Before he uses Chibaku Tensei. Chibaku Tensei takes like 5 minutes to gather up all the rocks, and ITachi can just Amaterasu the rocks or the Black Sphere. Or he Can just Seal him away While Nagato is Gathering up rocks, since the Totsuku balde Extends, And It's Fast.

And Nagato has nothing against genjutsu since jiraiya Got him on one.
So itachi would just kill him while he's under a genjutsu before he even Tries to escape it

1. Nagato dosen't need to destroy Yata mirror (we'll see what good dat doz traped in a planet the size of the moon.)

2. Sasuke didn't break Tsukiyomi itachi spared him as well.

3. Nagato was being controled kabuto didn't really care about the Amatrsu anyway cuz it could not kill nagato.

4. Plz revisite the ship episode of pain vs naruto cuz apparently u don't understand nagato now has the power of all six pain in one body.

5. Itachi can beat nagto given the right situation, But on a normal day where nagato is as him normal self Itachi dosen't stand a chance.

 

[kadowade]

Nagato does not and did not cast any genjutsu. He just forced his chakra into Kakashi making him "sense" Nagato's presence just as he did with Jiraiya. Remember when Naruto stabbed himself in order to sense Nagato's location? It was like that except Kakashi could not use Sage mode's ability to sense chakra and Jiraiya had no idea about his real body until the very end. Nagato has NEVER used genjutsu.

Rest of your post is correct, thumbs up .

ohh yea my bad, it wasent a genjutsu, you're right, i just called it that cuz i had no idea what it was called.

 

[arv993]

1. Nagato dosen't need to destroy Yata mirror (we'll see what good dat doz traped in a planet the size of the moon.)

2. Sasuke didn't break Tsukiyomi itachi spared him as well.

3. Nagato was being controled kabuto didn't really care about the Amatrsu anyway cuz it could not kill nagato.

4. Plz revisite the ship episond of pain vs naruto cuz apparently u don't understand nagato now has the power of all six pain in one body.

5. Itachi can't beat nagto given the right situation, But on a normal day where nagato is as him normal self Itachi dosen't stand a chance.

Are you forgetting that if there ever a 1v1 itachi would attack him b4 he even tries to use chibaku tensei which is not really fast.
And in a real fight nagato won't get to regenerate like he did with edo tensei

You must be registered for see links

if he can't regenerate he won't be able to use half his attacks and be prone to sword of totsuka while itachi has an ultimate defense with the yata mirror. And genjutsu might also work on him. And kabuto is smart he knew exactly what to do with nagato's powers to make naruto and bee to become temporarily dead. Kabuto is actually quite the mastermind and knew how to use nagato well. itachi is more likely to win in a 1v1.

 

[Inception]

1. Nagato dosen't need to destroy Yata mirror (we'll see what good dat doz traped in a planet the size of the moon.)

5. Itachi can beat nagto given the right situation, But on a normal day where nagato is as him normal self Itachi dosen't stand a chance.

1. Nagato can't make Chibaku Tensei the size of the moon as he already confirmed that it was something the So6P did.

5. What is a "normal day" to you? Edo Tensei actually helped Nagato. "On a normal day", Nagato cannot walk by himself. "On a normal day", he was attached to that giant machine.

edit: Not saying Nagato is stupid but he isn't exactly as smart as Kabuto. Kabuto knew Naruto and Bee's abilities, he knew everything about Nagato's abilities. He actually made Naruto and Bee look like shit compared to Nagato.

 

[arv993]

1. Nagato can't make Chibaku Tensei the size of the moon as he already confirmed that it was something the So6P did.

5. What is a "normal day" to you? Edo Tensei actually helped Nagato. "On a normal day", Nagato cannot walk by himself. "On a normal day", he was attached to that giant machine.

exactly right

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Are you forgetting that if there ever a 1v1 itachi would attack him b4 he even tries to use chibaku tensei which is not really fast.
And in a real fight nagato won't get to regenerate like he did with edo tensei

You must be registered for see links

if he can't regenerate he won't be able to use half his attacks and be prone to sword of totsuka while itachi has an ultimate defense with the yata mirror. And genjutsu might also work on him. And kabuto is smart he knew exactly what to do with nagato's powers to make naruto and bee to become temporarily dead. Kabuto is actually quite the mastermind and knew how to use nagato well. itachi is more likely to win in a 1v1.

yeah itachi has edo tensei as well so its unfair to bring this up he repeled the amateseru and can revive himself as you know we have different opnions but were talking about nagato here if you have read the manga you will realise without a doubt he is the strongest ninja alive maybe not the smartest but the strongest,saying kabuto knew his powers better than nagato doesnt make sense it was a major disadvantage

1. Nagato can't make Chibaku Tensei the size of the moon as he already confirmed that it was something the So6P did.

5. What is a "normal day" to you? Edo Tensei actually helped Nagato. "On a normal day", Nagato cannot walk by himself. "On a normal day", he was attached to that giant machine.

edit: Not saying Nagato is stupid but he isn't exactly as smart as Kabuto. Kabuto knew Naruto and Bee's abilities, he knew everything about Nagato's abilities. He actually made Naruto and Bee look like shit compared to Nagato.

his chibaku tensei using a dead body was unbelievably huge probably bigger than konoha if nagato was going to do this healthy i really do believe he could make something much bigger than his original not the moon but a large asteroid anyway the main arguement is Nagato has much stronger techs and is much stronger he could be considered a demi-god and itachi is smarter and a tatical genius i just cant understand how you think itachi can fight v him but i think these fanboy threads are ending so we can all agree to disagee

 

[thelonghorn]

Ok—I am going to attempt to wade through this thread and add my two cents. While the utility of arguing one side against the other in a work of fiction is as useful as solar-powered flashlights, I’ll try my best.

First and foremost, this fight is inherently biased due to the circumstances surrounding the fight.

If we wanted a clean cut answer, we’d need a full-powered Itachi versus full powered

Nagato facing each other without any ascendancy and most of all—alive. We aren’t afforded such luxuries.

Now if Itachi was alive, I’d expect that his Sharingan be subject to the observed eye-strain and stamina that we observed throughout the manga. Recall that the use of Ameratsu/Tsukoyomi took a toll on Itachi before (bleeding eyes and blurred vision) and that his overall disregard for his eye sight when facing Sasuke was due to his plan to die at his brother’s hands anyway. Nagato on the other hand (when facing Hanzo) did not suffer from any chakra draining effects and therefore would have higher stamina say Itachi. I’d argue that Nagato would not use “6 separate path bodies” since their use was only to exert control different regions over long distances.

However in his present unclear state, where he has control of his senses yet isn’t technically alive (as far as I know only Nagato can resurrect the dead completely), we don’t see any ill effects of overuse of the Sharingan. Obviously these are biased circumstance (unlimited Sharingan and life) by far the most powerful ninja.

Next—I am not convince that it was Nagato fighting of his own volition and instead it was Kabuto pulling the strings and commanding him. I argue this since prior to being “fully taken over”, both Itachi and Nagato move based on Kabuto’s actions and since they are aware of the signs/seals Kabuto is trying to force them to make, the can warn Bee/Naruto beforehand. I think when Kabuto “wipes” their bodies clean; he is taking complete control of the bodies. Another point is that Kabuto is unaware of the particular body’s power unless he had prior knowledge (as in Itachi’s Shinra ) . For example when Itachi breaks the Edo, Nagato immediately realizes what is going on however it only after Itachi explains it to Naruto, that Kabuto understands the power (having heard it through Nagato) and hence it able to counteract.

With all that said, here is what I think would happen in a clean 1 on 1 fight.

First I don’t think any of Itachi’s non-sharingan techniques would be effective since Nagato could absorb them. Of the Sharingan techniques we have Tsukoyomi, Ameratsu and Susanoo.

While there isn’t any direct evidence, I don’t think Tsukoyomi would be effective against Nagato—Bee was able to break through it (without the use of a Sharingan) and while someone argue that it’s because he is a tailed beast, I’d say the rarity of a Rinnegan (just 1 in existence) over 8 tailed beasts would lead me to believe the Rinnegan is stronger. Not to mention—why didn’t Itachi just use Tsukoymi on Nagato to end the battle?

Ameratsu wouldn’t be effective since it has been shown that Nagato can force push it away—I’m curious to see if he can absorb it as well.

So finally it would come down to Susanoo. The Yata mirror won’t be as effective since it only reflects incoming attacks—Nagato’s immense power is more through his defensive abilities (force push, celestial ball, chakra absorb). I do believe that the Totuska Sword will one-hit KO Nagato but as we know it takes time to form a full Susanoo and I am led to believe (from Sasuke’s Danzo battle) and the effect of Celestial Ball on Itachi Susanoo (it was clearly being absorbed), that it can be paralyzed.

So-overall I think it’s still a coin toss who would win.

If Nagato uses force pull/push (which seems to impact anything including Amaterasu), he could just drain all of Itachi’s chakra and render Susanoo (Itachi needs to use chakra to summon it) useless. If Itachi can summon a full Susanoo and maintain it (it would strain his eyes) he could win with a Totuska sword.

Fin