Itachi is still a villain

[foxyladyland]

No KA is permanent. Deal with it.

Also you say that Shisui had the power to control an opponents mind. Well a normal genjutsu can do that. KA is much more advanced genjutsu than any character has posessed in NV. Even stronger than Madaras

No genjutsu is permanent if you can break out of it eventually..

example: Izanami is called a never ending loop.. then Itachi says how you can break it . :itachi:

Tsukuyomi was cast on Kakashi and he was still able to realize it was genjutsu while he was inside of the genjutsu.

Itachi said "telling yourself its only a genjutsu wont help" because Kakashi told himself it was only genjutsu while he was still inside of Itachi's genjutsu. Kakashi told himself ..

KotoAmatsukami makes you think whatever the user wants you to think. The user of KA IS your brain in that instance.

That is different than other genjutsu.

1) Every genjutsu enters your mind

2) control
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the power to influence or direct people's behaviour or the course of events


I don't see how this is helping your argument :|

you can use KA until the MS fades away ..

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Tsukuyomi was cast on Kakashi and he was still able to realize it was genjutsu while he was inside of the genjutsu.

Itachi said "telling yourself its only a genjutsu wont help" because Kakashi told himself it was only genjutsu while he was still inside of Itachi's genjutsu. Kakashi told himself ..

KotoAmatsukami makes you think whatever the user wants you to think. The user of KA IS your brain in that instance.

That is different than other genjutsu.

 

[Owarij]

.....The crows ms faded away.. Because KA can only be used once every decade.. that obviously doesn't mean the genjutsu ended then... That makes 0 sense doesn't it?

Itachi knows Ka can only be used once every 10 years.. he knew once it was casted, that the crows eye would fade away.. and yet it was originally meant for Sasuke to "Protect Konoha" , According to your logic, the genjutsu would just cast, then fade away and end, meaning Sasuke would be back to his normal old self in that short period of time.. NO.. KA is permanent in the respect that it would have stayed on Sasuke for the rest of his life unless interrupted by some external force... The crows Ms would have turned off, and the crow would have flew away to wherever crows go, but the genjutsu would REMAIN on Sasuke...

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

No genjutsu is permanent if you can break out of it eventually..

example: Izanami is called a never ending loop.. then Itachi says how you can break it . :itachi:

Tsukuyomi was cast on Kakashi and he was still able to realize it was genjutsu while he was inside of the genjutsu.

Itachi said "telling yourself its only a genjutsu wont help" because Kakashi told himself it was only genjutsu while he was still inside of Itachi's genjutsu. Kakashi told himself ..

KotoAmatsukami makes you think whatever the user wants you to think. The user of KA IS your brain in that instance.

That is different than other genjutsu.


you can use KA until the MS fades away ..

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Ok for arguments sake lets say your right. One could break out of KA if they knew they were under the genjutsu. Ok Edo Itachi knew he was under Shisuis genjutsu but he ddnt break out of it. If he had come out of the KA then that means Kabuto would've had control over Edo Itachi again. So no Edo Itachi could not break out of KA even if he told himself that he was under Shisuis genjutsu.

 

[foxyladyland]

That's not my logic.. ^_^ Danzo was feeding Mifune what to say via KA.
if he wasn't, Mifune would have kept being under control of KA , but Danzo looked away and stopped controlling Mifune , but AO started explaining KA to everyone so everyone including Danzo and Mifune stopped and listened to AO's explanation .

.....The crows ms faded away.. Because KA can only be used once every decade.. that obviously doesn't mean the genjutsu ended then... That makes 0 sense doesn't it?

Itachi knows Ka can only be used once every 10 years.. he knew once it was casted, that the crows eye would fade away.. and yet it was originally meant for Sasuke to "Protect Konoha" , According to your logic, the genjutsu would just cast, then fade away and end, meaning Sasuke would be back to his normal old self in that short period of time.. NO.. KA is permanent in the respect that it would have stayed on Sasuke for the rest of his life unless interrupted by some external force... The crows Ms would have turned off, and the crow would have flew away to wherever crows go, but the genjutsu would REMAIN on Sasuke...

I don't mean Danzo released the genjutsu , I mean he released his hold on Mifune.
He entered MIfune's mind and did all the thinking for him and talking for him and while he was in there (minfune's mind)
no one could have stopped KA unless Danzo released his hold on Mifune and Mifune had it explained to him.

you see in the scans of the summit I posted they all refer to it as CONTROLLING Mifune.
its similar to Ino's Mind Control jutsu. You see in Mifune's panel he had a ???! on him because he didn't know what was going on.

Ok for arguments sake lets say your right. One could break out of KA if they knew they were under the genjutsu. Ok Edo Itachi knew he was under Shisuis genjutsu but he ddnt break out of it. If he had come out of the KA then that means Kabuto would've had control over Edo Itachi again. So no Edo Itachi could not break out of KA even if he told himself that he was under Shisuis genjutsu.

it was Itachi doing whatever he wanted to do .. He was free from anyone's control.
If Itachi programmed the CROW to order Sasuke to "PROTECT KONOHA" then that's what Sasuke's new goal would have been.
He also Programmed AMATERATSU in Sasuke's eye to go off at the sight of Tobi's sharingan and he did it because he didn't want Tobi to tell Sasuke about Itachi's true past secrets.
If Tobi would have told Sasuke about Itachi's true past history with the Leaf, AFTER KA "PROTECT KONOHA"
was cast on Sasuke, then Sasuke would have overridden the KA command to "Protect konoha" and intended to attack Konoha just as he did against Danzo.

While the KA user's MS and KA are still attacking the brain of the target, the KA user IS the target's Brain until the user's MS wears off, then anybody can explain what happened and the target can go back to normal..

You saw when Danzo stopped controlling Mifune he went back to normal and listened to AO's explanation. ^_^

KA worked differently because the EYE was IN Danzo's eyesocket and he could control Mifune for as long as he wanted until the MS wore off..

The crow is NOT a human so only the EYE could be programmed "PROTECT KONOHA" once
and the crow doesn't think like a human so its not gonna get inside Sasuke's mind like a regular person would..

 

[scorezor]

Jiraiya was not the one saying that he would die fighting Itachi. Itachi said that he would die facing Jiraiya

where did he said that? show me a manga scan plz.

 

[Disciple Of The 5th]

I simply don't agree with this theory for many reasons

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

itachis a brutal insane psychopath.

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He was a Hero before.





He's still one of the greatest hero!!

he tortured sasuke to madness, tried to murder kakashi, did nothing about danzo, tried to enslave sasuke and helped akatsuki get the bijuus and kill 6 people

Saved the village by taking his clan to the brink of extinction.

you mean destroyed the village when he did nothing to stop orochimaru and danzo and obito.
also what was "Saving the village" about doing nothing about akatsuki? or trying to kill kakashi? or ordering sasuke to murder innocent people?

Wasn't the point of casting kA ,TO SAVE KONOHA ?,

which doesnt mean hes good as he could have rigged it to be "save the world"

He saved the leaf from the Uchiha revolt and saved the world from the world war that would have followed

no he didnt. leaf would have done just fine handling it without him.
and no he didnt because he caused even WORSE things to happen later on. he spared orochimaru fr o reason meaning thousands of people died including hiruzen. onyl reason a world war didnt happen is tsunade making peace with the sand and not continuing the chain of hate.
itachi aided akatsuki in murdering people and starting worldwide chaos.
a war would have happened whether itachi did anything or not.

e tried to make sure Tobi died by programming the amaterasu attack into Sasuke.

after ten years of sitting around letting tobi do whatver he wants

You're missing the obvious fact that his whole intention in the first place was to protect konoha by doing this.

and he did that in the worst most brutal ineffiecient manner. also how is it protecting konoha to attack it and try to kill its members?

tachi did program Amateratsu in Sasuke's eye to kill Tobi...

too little too late

Edo Itachi (b4 KA was cast) did help Naruto/Bee out by telling them how to avoid his jutsu
while Kabuto was making them fight.

again helping the people who we call the good guys doesnt make him one

He saved Jiraiya, Naruto, Sasuke, Kisame. Kakashi, Kurenai, Asuma, Guy's lives all in one arc.. ^/_\^

he made sure knoha got wiped out when he did nothing about pain and made sure knoha knew nothing about him or his powers. also he destroyed konoha when he spared orochiamrus life for no reason.
him saving kisames life is not a good thing. him saving narutos life once is just repaying the time he tried to have him killed and the time he tortured him.
he tried to kill kakashi kurenai and asuma. gai saved them not itachi.

ONE of those Names Knew about AMATERATSU at all... Kisame might have known about it , but that's all.
Itachi could have burned them all to death.. If Itachi didn't hold Kisame back , he could've killed Asuma & Kurenai.

itachi ordered kisame to kill them. so of course he didnt hold him back. and not going all out doesnt mean he saved their lives. only that he viewed them that weak.

but Itachi told Kisame to run away with him while he (itachi) only amateratsu'd the toad stomach instead.
Kisame didn't know what was going on with that toad stomach and would have probably died there wasn't for Itachi.

jiraiyas death is already on itachis head when itachi did nothing to give intel to konoha about pains powers even while he knew he was dying himself

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

One could break out of KA if they knew they were under the genjutsu

no they cant. nowhere was this ever established

Didn't Itachi(The Hidden Leafs spy and protector) tell Kisame that it would take the entire Akatsuki to defeat him(an obvious lie, Pain won without even using half power), and didn't even Kisame suspiciously question why would retreat be necessary for Itachi after they left? Itachi killing Jman would have put a serious dent into the leafs protection since Jman was arguably the strongest Leaf Ninja at the time

kakashi was second strongest yet itachi viewed him as one would a swotted fly and brutally tortured kakashi into a coma then tried to order kisame to kill him

Jiraiya getting hit in the face with Amateratsu would be dead in that moment. Itachi saved his life.

itachi murdered him when he did nothing to stop akatsuki or warn konoha about pains abilities