Itachi is smarter than Kakashi

[USSJ Future Trunks]

which is why nearly everything he did was stupid and lacked common sense.

 

[SizzlingSausage]

Not an Itachi fan...just saying...Kakashi got killed by Pain, Itachi one-shot Nagato.

 

[ATD]

Based on which feats does he surpass them?

based on which feats do you put sasuke and itachi above him ?

He figuerd out many things and fooled many strong opponents, battle tactics are his speciality, with his clone feints he fooled
Itachi, early shippuden with a clone and doton, deidara and hidan too with clone feints
the same goes for pain, with a raiton clone, and when he choyi and choza caught him with the chains ( his stratagy)
btw he was the one who figuerd out the 5 sec intervall of shinra tensei, which was very important to naruto defeating pain.
Figuerd out obitos kamui and planned the stratagy against kaguya which worked.
Hagoromo praised his leading qualities, so i think thiat says enough.

 

[Eternal Sage]

Even now, Kakashi's intelligence feats are nothing compared to the Uchiha Genius

Current Kakashi still gets neg diffed by tsukuyomi

 

[ATD]

Even now, Kakashi's intelligence feats are nothing compared to the Uchiha Genius

Current Kakashi still gets neg diffed by tsukuyomi

without intel maybe, but current kakashi still got his clone feints which is the perfect counter to tsukuyomi.

 

[sharingan67]

The manga already proved that Kakashi is light years above any Uchiha in term of intelligence.
Not to mention that Uchihas has damaged brain according to the manga, they're just good for psychiatry.

 

[shelke]

based on which feats do you put sasuke and itachi above him ?

He figuerd out many things and fooled many strong opponents, battle tactics are his speciality, with his clone feints he fooled
Itachi, early shippuden with a clone and doton, deidara and hidan too with clone feints
the same goes for pain, with a raiton clone, and when he choyi and choza caught him with the chains ( his stratagy)
btw he was the one who figuerd out the 5 sec intervall of shinra tensei, which was very important to naruto defeating pain.
Figuerd out obitos kamui and planned the stratagy against kaguya which worked.
Hagoromo praised his leading qualities, so i think thiat says enough.

Sasuke:

- Haku's technique understanding.
- Fooling Orochimaru in the forest of death.
- Learing Chidori, first gate, and mastering Taijutsu in a month.
- Learning and mastering Great Fire Ball technique on his own at the age of 7.
- Creating several Raiton variants.
- Being five steps ahead of Deidara the whole time.
- Figuring out Izanagi at the onset of battle.
- Aiding Itachi with speedy deductions.
- Figuring out a strategy for Limbo against Madara in a mere second or two, which is a far superior feat compared to Kaguya whose upper story is obviously empty.

Just at the back of my head.

Itachi:

- Kakashi never fooled Itachi. He wanted to talk to Naruto ad leave his crow within him. He did exactly that.
- Planning the whole battle in advanced with Sasuke.
- Carrying out speedy deductions of two of Kabuto's abilities.
- Figuring out and devising a strategy for CT in a second.
- Figuring out that all the eyes are connected for rinnegan summons - and thus bodies would work in a similar manner - right at the start of the battle. Kakashi never figured this out. In fact, despite having intel he foolishly attacked a path regardless.

Just at the top of my head.

Figuring out the interval is his sole decent feat. Sakura figured out nearly the entirety of Kamui, not kakashi. She is the one who figured it out that it's Teleportation, thus an S/T technique. She's the one that figured out that he sends or warps individual parts of his body. Yet, it took Kakashi 200 chapters to actually direct his attention to the fact that only Obito and himself use warping?

Hogomoro didn't praise his leadership, he praised the ability of people to come together and defeat the god. He even uses the word feats / miracles. The word itself is a plural.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

- Kakashi never fooled Itachi. He wanted to talk to Naruto ad leave his crow within him. He did exactly that.
- Planning the whole battle in advanced with Sasuke.
- Carrying out speedy deductions of two of Kabuto's abilities.
- Figuring out and devising a strategy for CT in a second.
- Figuring out that all the eyes are connected for rinnegan summons - and thus bodies would work in a similar manner - right at the start of the battle. Kakashi never figured this out. In fact, despite having intel he foolishly attacked a path regardless.

none of that was particularly impressive. naruto, kidomaru, neji etc all have equal or better analysis feats.
and all thats spoiled by itachis lack of intelligence outside of combat

 

[ATD]

Sasuke:

- Haku's technique understanding.
- Fooling Orochimaru in the forest of death.
- Learing Chidori, first gate, and mastering Taijutsu in a month.
- Learning and mastering Great Fire Ball technique on his own at the age of 7.
- Creating several Raiton variants.
- Being five steps ahead of Deidara the whole time.
- Figuring out Izanagi at the onset of battle.
- Aiding Itachi with speedy deductions.
- Figuring out a strategy for Limbo against Madara in a mere second or two, which is a far superior feat compared to Kaguya whose upper story is obviously empty.

First Kakashi being a non uchiha still masterd the sharingan and the MS puts him above sasuke and itachi in terms of intelligence and knowledge , the latter even gave him a honoring feedback two times.
jonin at 12
figured out how to beat zabuza in the mist ( one eyed due to sharingan wasn't really useable)
created his own jutsu which he passed to sasuke.
knows very well working training methods
large ninjutsu variety
tactical and well working clone feints ( like said before fooled many different strong opponents, )
he is well rounded and has qualities in every area

Itachi:

- Kakashi never fooled Itachi. He wanted to talk to Naruto ad leave his crow within him. He did exactly that.
- Planning the whole battle in advanced with Sasuke.
- Carrying out speedy deductions of two of Kabuto's abilities.
- Figuring out and devising a strategy for CT in a second.
- Figuring out that all the eyes are connected for rinnegan summons - and thus bodies would work in a similar manner - right at the start of the battle. Kakashi never figured this out. In fact, despite having intel he foolishly attacked a path regardless.

Kakashi countered itachis genjutsu with doton and clone feint early shippuuden, itachi didn't want to speak with naruto at that time he gave his crow to naruto later.
Itachi said by himself that he failed with the sasuke thing.
Kakashi never act foolish against pain, he hold himself against asura and deva without kamui and susanno and had even sty in mind before the reinforcements arrived.

Figuring out the interval is his sole decent feat. Sakura figured out nearly the entirety of Kamui, not kakashi. She is the one who figured it out that it's Teleportation, thus an S/T technique. She's the one that figured out that he sends or warps individual parts of his body. Yet, it took Kakashi 200 chapters to actually direct his attention to the fact that only Obito and himself use warping?

i agree saukra mad a good assumption, but kakashi proved it in the end

Hogomoro didn't praise his leadership, he praised the ability of people to come together and defeat the god. He even uses the word feats / miracles. The word itself is a plural.

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Hagoromo defenitive talked to kakashi, yes he talked about feats ( plural) because kakashi lead everyone well and sealing away mother ( two things = plural) even though he had a very hard time he still continued being obitos friend, even after kakashi respond to him modestly hagoromo repeated himself and praised kakashi again for his leadership qualities.
This says enough !

 

[BloodSeed]

Kakashi is not in the league of top Uchiha dogs when it comes to strategy. These include Sasuke, Madara, and of course Itachi. This Kakashi guy's intelligence is vastly exaggerated. I have yet to see anything from him strategy wise that is anywhere near the ones I have mentioned.

Kakashi always makes strategy with more resources. It's common sense and knowledge that whoever makes strategies with less resources is a far more intelligent individual. I don't even like Itachi and I concede to this fact. Itachi is out of this scoundrel's league.

lol kakashi>itachi>madara>sasuke
kakashi outsmarted itachi
i know and you know it u are just indenial

 

[shelke]

First Kakashi being a non uchiha still masterd the sharingan and the MS puts him above sasuke and itachi in terms of intelligence and knowledge , the latter even gave him a honoring feedback two times.
jonin at 12
figured out how to beat zabuza in the mist ( one eyed due to sharingan wasn't really useable)
created his own jutsu which he passed to sasuke.
knows very well working training methods
large ninjutsu variety
tactical and well working clone feints ( like said before fooled many different strong opponents, )
he is well rounded and has qualities in every area

Kakashi countered itachis genjutsu with doton and clone feint early shippuuden, itachi didn't want to speak with naruto at that time he gave his crow to naruto later.
Itachi said by himself that he failed with the sasuke thing.
Kakashi never act foolish against pain, he hold himself against asura and deva without kamui and susanno and had even sty in mind before the reinforcements arrived.
i agree saukra mad a good assumption, but kakashi proved it in the end

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Hagoromo defenitive talked to kakashi, yes he talked about feats ( plural) because kakashi lead everyone well and sealing away mother ( two things = plural) even though he had a very hard time he still continued being obitos friend, even after kakashi respond to him modestly hagoromo repeated himself and praised kakashi again for his leadership qualities.
This says enough !

kakashi never mastered the Sharingan. The manga disagreed with this through Itachi's statement. Even Obito agreed during his fight with Danzo - only a Sharingan in the hands of an Uchiha can be truly mastered.

He kinda fell in the first time and was saved by Genins. I consider it a poor set-back.

He is not the only one with large skills. Sasuke's skill repertoire is bigger.

I agree he is well-rounded. But that's just about it.


It was during this time that he spoke to Naruto, when they had an encounter in the forest. He came to do what he did and left. I don't see how was he fooled, given that his target was achieved.

His Deva Interval figure-out is the only decent feat of his that is praise-worthy. I agree about the rest of this point as well.

Sakura didn't make an assumption, she bisected the whole thing that it was S/T - a kind of teleportation - and that Obito warps the individual parts of his body, making it look like he is phasing through. That proves that his Justu is the same for both Kamui and intangibility. People give this feat to Kakashi, when it's Sakura's feat.

Hogomoro's praise was directed at everyone, not just him, which was my point.

lol kakashi>itachi>madara>sasuke
kakashi outsmarted itachi
i know and you know it u are just indenial

Nice opinions.

 

[Kamui Sama]

watch this guy eventually wank Kakashi as his character of the month and come up with these threads Lol

 

[FlyingRaijinLVL2]

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Itachi has more wisdom.​

^^^^^This.

 

[WalksInShadows]

The manga already proved that Kakashi is light years above any Uchiha in term of intelligence.
Not to mention that Uchihas has damaged brain according to the manga, they're just good for psychiatry.

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The only thing the manga proved for absolute certainty in regards to Kakashi's intellect is that he can't even manage a trio of kids.

 

[ATD]

kakashi never mastered the Sharingan. The manga disagreed with this through Itachi's statement. Even Obito agreed during his fight with Danzo - only a Sharingan in the hands of an Uchiha can be truly mastered.

kakashi was able to warp kcm naruto clone right in front of obitos eyes and obito thought he had destroyed the clone with his attack, but he didn't see how fast kakashi used kamui, a non uchiha being able to pull out this feat lead me to think that he mastered it.
Kakashi had no problem keeping up with obito in genjutsu, he copied a lot of jutsus with it, he used the sharingan for 20 years and was quit better than the most uchihas.

He kinda fell in the first time and was saved by Genins. I consider it a poor set-back.

He is not the only one with large skills. Sasuke's skill repertoire is bigger.

I agree he is well-rounded. But that's just about it.

That happened because kakashi must protect tanzuna, his 3 pupils and himself against a hidden mist user with large chakra reserves and inhuman strength.

Sasuke has got sharingan and is the reincarnation of indra, ofc he has attacks which has much more fire power than in the arsenal of kakashi, but we are comparing them in skill and kakashis move set is made out of battle tactics to fool his opponents and than attacking with a fast kill, even though his attacks aren't that powerful he is still a threat to many strong opponents like pain,obito,itachi,gedo mazuo,even to kaguya he was a threat, I'm not talking about the power up, I'm talking about his strategy which he formed.
few chapters ago he said that sasuke should lead them after he talked bad about kakashi, but sasuke wasn't able to figure out a way to beat her.

It was during this time that he spoke to Naruto, when they had an encounter in the forest. He came to do what he did and left. I don't see how was he fooled, given that his target was achieved.

That was when they were after sasuke, itachi was going to fight sasuke soon but met naruto before his last battle, i m talking about gaara arc early shippuuden where they was with chiyo, that time kakashi showed that he has ways to counter genjutsus.

Sakura didn't make an assumption, she bisected the whole thing that it was S/T - a kind of teleportation - and that Obito warps the individual parts of his body, making it look like he is phasing through. That proves that his Justu is the same for both Kamui and intangibility. People give this feat to Kakashi, when it's Sakura's feat.

It was a assumption, a good one, but not provable at that point, in the war kakashi figured it out after he fought 2 days against edo KKg users, edo 7 swordmens and zetsus, right one time otherwise naruto and guy would still trying to hit him in a normal way.
He is called knohoas most skilled battle tactician when i remember correctly.

Hogomoro's praise was directed at everyone, not just him, which was my point.

no in the pic i posted you can clearly see that he respond to kakashi after he react modestly to hagoromos first praise, hagoromo repeat himself and even mentioned the friendship with obito which defenitive proofs that he talks directly to kakashi and about him.

 

[shelke]

kakashi was able to warp kcm naruto clone right in front of obitos eyes and obito thought he had destroyed the clone with his attack, but he didn't see how fast kakashi used kamui, a non uchiha being able to pull out this feat lead me to think that he mastered it.
Kakashi had no problem keeping up with obito in genjutsu, he copied a lot of jutsus with it, he used the sharingan for 20 years and was quit better than the most uchihas.



That happened because kakashi must protect tanzuna, his 3 pupils and himself against a hidden mist user with large chakra reserves and inhuman strength.

Sasuke has got sharingan and is the reincarnation of indra, ofc he has attacks which has much more fire power than in the arsenal of kakashi, but we are comparing them in skill and kakashis move set is made out of battle tactics to fool his opponents and than attacking with a fast kill, even though his attacks aren't that powerful he is still a threat to many strong opponents like pain,obito,itachi,gedo mazuo,even to kaguya he was a threat, I'm not talking about the power up, I'm talking about his strategy which he formed.
few chapters ago he said that sasuke should lead them after he talked bad about kakashi, but sasuke wasn't able to figure out a way to beat her.



That was when they were after sasuke, itachi was going to fight sasuke soon but met naruto before his last battle, i m talking about gaara arc early shippuuden where they was with chiyo, that time kakashi showed that he has ways to counter genjutsus.



It was a assumption, a good one, but not provable at that point, in the war kakashi figured it out after he fought 2 days against edo KKg users, edo 7 swordmens and zetsus, right one time otherwise naruto and guy would still trying to hit him in a normal way.
He is called knohoas most skilled battle tactician when i remember correctly.



no in the pic i posted you can clearly see that he respond to kakashi after he react modestly to hagoromos first praise, hagoromo repeat himself and even mentioned the friendship with obito which defenitive proofs that he talks directly to kakashi and about him.

That happened because of the Clone and Kakashi having built up chakra for it. Even then, he could only warp it faster than the stakes Obito threw out. This is something Obito states as well. It's because I am sure Obito's one eye cannot cast Genjust on the other.


Come one, man. Underestimating a Mist Ninja like that? When earlier he countered the water hiding technique of two Chunins? I am talking about base Sasuke and comparing his to base Kakashi. Both without Sharingan. Sasuke's Skill-set is bigger. I am not saying that Kakashi is not skilled, but he isn't as skilled as Sasuke or Itachi, or Madara.

Sasuke doesn't have Kamui, and he never got a chance to make the strategy. he did against a much smarter opponent, Madara, and landed a hit as well. Bisected him, in fact. Kaguya is far from being smart. BZ was mostly directing her, and with him torn off, her chances of besting any decent strategy were quite limited.

Yes, he wanted to gauge Naruto's strength in Genjutsu:

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His growth to be precise. All his stats were gauged at 30%:

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He wanted to stall them, which he did. Gaara did die. The stalling was successful. Anyhow, I kinda got confused, as I thought you were talking about the crow one for some odd reason. Completely my mistake.

Come on, man. She explained the whole thing. That's exactly how it's a single Jutsu. Give the credit where it is due. This wasn't Kakashi's feat. Against Seven Swords men, he used all the resources he could. Decent strategies, but they lack the wow factor for me, as more resources mean more options. Sasuke and Madara have made speedy strategies with no or little options. Same is the case with Itachi.

I am afraid I don't agree here.

 

[ATD]

That happened because of the Clone and Kakashi having built up chakra for it. Even then, he could only warp it faster than the stakes Obito threw out. This is something Obito states as well. It's because I am sure Obito's one eye cannot cast Genjust on the other.

kakashi had first tried to kamui the rasengan for a bluff and then kamuied the clone faster than obitos sharingan could see it.( no time to built up chakra and even if so, chakra is needed for ninjutsu, but if you can use the ninjutsu as good as the originally user it doesn't matter whether you had to biult up chakra or not)
I meant kakashi using the sharingan the best way possible, he copied 1000 jutsus ( hype), he awoke MS, he saw through many movements ( able to copy zabuzas fighting style completely) being a non uchiha !!

Come one, man. Underestimating a Mist Ninja like that? When earlier he countered the water hiding technique of two Chunins? I am talking about base Sasuke and comparing his to base Kakashi. Both without Sharingan. Sasuke's Skill-set is bigger. I am not saying that Kakashi is not skilled, but he isn't as skilled as Sasuke or Itachi, or Madara.

It was Zabuza afterall, kakashi never underestimated him, but he was right to begin restricted due to the mist and had to keep and eye at the other 4 while zabuza only had to protect his own life and after team 7 saved kakashi he stomped zabuza.
I listed why kakashis skill set is bigger few posts before and in base he has a bigger skill set than sasuke, due to the ability to use clones, sasuke didn't show that feat.
And I'm saying kakashi is more skilled than sasuke and itachi, battle tactics and strategies are his specialties and he is known for it, even hagoromo praised his leadership qualities and his power of endurance even though he was lost a long time. He said definitive that without this, kakashi probably wouldn't be able to help sealing his mother.

Sasuke doesn't have Kamui, and he never got a chance to make the strategy. he did against a much smarter opponent, Madara, and landed a hit as well. Bisected him, in fact. Kaguya is far from being smart. BZ was mostly directing her, and with him torn off, her chances of besting any decent strategy were quite limited.

he was able to land a hit on madara after gained the power up from hagoromo, that is a different story and could be also called as asspull.

The big difference between kakashi and sasuke is that kakashi can keep cool in all situations, while sasuke often looses control about his rage, which is a big mistake when you fighting madara or other skilled users, sasuke has many crazy jutsus but he didn't use them in the right way against madara, he jump from his hawk to land a hit from above, but he knew that madara absorbed senjutsu and could sense now ( hashirama even talked to sasuke) why sasuke attacked from above without counting in that he is an easy target ? because he was not clear thinking due to his rage.

Yes, he wanted to gauge Naruto's strength in Genjutsu:

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His growth to be precise. All his stats were gauged at 30%:

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He wanted to stall them, which he did. Gaara did die. The stalling was successful. Anyhow, I kinda got confused, as I thought you were talking about the crow one for some odd reason. Completely my mistake.

itachi had have 30 % CHAKRA, this limited his ninjutsus, but not his intelligence
it was only for stalling i know, but he want to stall them as long as possible but this doesn't change the fact that kakashi counterd the genjutsu without itachi noticed. when he noticed it was to late.

Come on, man. She explained the whole thing. That's exactly how it's a single Jutsu. Give the credit where it is due. This wasn't Kakashi's feat. Against Seven Swords men, he used all the resources he could. Decent strategies, but they lack the wow factor for me, as more resources mean more options. Sasuke and Madara have made speedy strategies with no or little options. Same is the case with Itachi.

I am afraid I don't agree here.

Kakashi explained to thing in a whole chapter and sakura in 1 panel, there must be a difference, sakura made a good assumption, but in the end it was kakashi who analyzed the jutsu completely ( ofc he had the power to do it due to his other kamui eye, but he did it )

why you are so bullheaded, you can clearly see that he is only talking with kakashi and about him, read *********** again, or show me what you did understand other than me ?

I doubt we will be able to convince each other, but it was nice to debate with you, in conclusion i would say
sasuke has the more dangerous jutsus ( amaterasu, susanno, teleportation,genjutsu,black lightning, enton,arrows......) and he is definitive a skilled one ( he is only 17) but he lacks a lot of experience and the ability to do clones ( very very big advantage) and must learn to keep cool in all situations, while kakashi is a Master of battle tactics, strategies and jutsu analyzing, who has a lot of experience, knowledge and jutsu variety, but he never really had fire power and isn't able to use the op jutsus anymore now that he lost sharingan and kamui.

i hope i could convince you a little bit.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Itachi is 178cm?

 

[BloodSeed]

show me a scan of itachi outsmarting kakashi