Itachi could kill Obito anytime

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Its funny youre using speech where Itachi is lying almost about everything and trying to end disscusion with it. Damn funny.

not really he mentioned that if obiot pretending to be madara as itachi believed it then he is a pathetic shell of what he used to be note that itachi thought obito was weak compared to the stories
 

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Its funny youre using speech where Itachi is lying almost about everything and trying to end disscusion with it. Damn funny.

Prove to me he was lying?

He admitted inferiority to obito. case closed.
 

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Prove to me he was lying?

He admitted inferiority to obito. case closed.

The entire battle Itachi VS Sasuke is one big LIE. People who are using this battle like some solid prove always will fail. My opinion on this.
 

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The entire battle Itachi VS Sasuke is one big LIE. People who are using this battle like some solid prove always will fail. My opinion on this.

But can you prove that when he said that statement, that he was lying?

You cant. Because it was true, Itachi needed EMS to surpass Weakened madara ( Obito).
 

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But can you prove that when he said that statement, that he was lying?

You cant. Because it was true, Itachi needed EMS to surpass Weakened madara ( Obito).

Do you even know why Itachi talked about EMS in the first place? It all starts with the one big lie - Itachi wanted that Sasuke would think he wants his eyes(that wasnt true). So this all crap where Itachi is talking how he wants to surpass "Madara" is another lie for Sasuke to believe he wants to kill him for the eyes. Im saying you cant use this fight to prove something to me. Fail.
 

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ummm no, read the manga pls
 

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Prove to me he was lying?

He admitted inferiority to obito. case closed.

But can you prove that when he said that statement, that he was lying?

You cant. Because it was true, Itachi needed EMS to surpass Weakened madara ( Obito).

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Sorry for taking a massive dump on your opinion (inb4 he argues against the manga :rolleyes:)

Also, I wonder why Obito was thankful that Itachi didn't know his secret?
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I lol'd.

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Sorry for taking a massive dump on your opinion (inb4 he argues against the manga :rolleyes:)

Also, I wonder why Obito was thankful that Itachi didn't know his secret?
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Thanks for the pics +rep bro
 

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So its decided, Itachi > MS Obito. Good day/night gentleman.
 

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Indeed. Itachi believed Tobi was Madara and thus believed he could not get killed, he thought he was immortal. But the truth was Itachi overestimated tobi because of the feared "Madara Uchiha" name. That was the reason Obito used Madara's name after all, to strike fear and take him seriously. That's how the war started in the 1st place.

"Fortunetly, I managed to keep a few secrets even from him, or else I'd be dead" Right there Obito expresses relief itachi didn't fully understand him. If Itachi would have known what Tobi is really about or who he is, what he's capable of, he was as good as dead.

MS Obito barely managed to kill Konan, could not beat kakashi, and got denied by Minato. Itachi would murder him twice had he had an actual battle.
 
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I lol'd.

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Sorry for taking a massive dump on your opinion (inb4 he argues against the manga :rolleyes:)

Also, I wonder why Obito was thankful that Itachi didn't know his secret?
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Your actually wrong my friend. Obito was the one lying to sasuke. What itachi said was all true.

Itachi told sasuke that It was him and obito who killed the entire clan. He told him that he sough after obito and they worked together killing the clan.

Then in your scan, Sasuke calls obito out on that and obito tells sasuke that itachi lied to him about that. Now we know for a fact that obito lied over there and itachi was actually telling the truth. Lol

And obito also lied to sasuke about the Nine tails attack being a spontaneous event Lol.

Nice try tho buddy.

If itachi was not afraid of obito, He would of made a move on him. Itachi knew that obito was the one behind it all and yet he didn't make a move untill he was about to die. A fail safe that failed right there. Lol

Feats wise, Itachi has no counter for kamui. There is literlly nothing he can do to obito.


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Man i already said this i mean its a facts not my opinion.
Rinnegan vision, Chibaku tensei, Edo tensei - Itachi easily saw weakness of these jutsu.
Plus stating - every jutsu has weakness, makes him invincible in analysis category.
I dont know how much prove you need^^^ that he could see Kamui weakness easily.

1. Obito rarely even used the rinnegan, so Itachi's counters against the rinnegan are virtually irrelevant (plus Itachi had help in destroying chibaku tensei).
2. Stating that every jutsu has a weakness does not make you invincible in the analysis category! A white zetsu could state that every jutsu has a weakness. That would not make it any better. Plus, stating that a jutsu has a weakness doesn't mean that you will be able to find it.

3. Your whole argument is basically centered around the fact that Itachi is smart. However, Obito is also smart. He can strategize as well. Furthermore, he has more battle experience than Itachi and he was trained by Madara (who was also very knowledgeable about the ninja world). Therefore your argument can go in favor of both sides.

4. You say that Itachi would prepare like Konan. However, you must remember that Konan had already expected to fight Obito at some point. You can't just assume that Itachi would just be plotting to kill Obito like Konan was. Furthermore, as I stated before, Obito could also be preparing beforehand. He did know what Itachi was capable of after all. Saying that Itachi would prepare and that Obito wouldn't is just pure speculation. In fact, saying that Itachi would even be able to find Kamui's weakness is pure speculation since this fight has never actually happened.

5. Prep time beforehand is kind of an unfair advantage anyway. It is like saying that I could beat Jackie Chan in a one on one fight, as long as I secretly had a week to plant 20 to 30 bombs in the battle arena and had a secret teleporter to quickly escape once the bombs went off. Would you really call that a legitimate win that actually reflects my fighting skills?

Conclusion: Your whole argument is speculation and no actual proof. You are basically just saying that Itachi would win because he is a smart guy. You are giving no jutsus that Itachi could use to beat Obito or counter his techniques. You are just saying that he'd figure something out.
 

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If Itachi could have killed Obito, he would have done it. It was clearly shown that he wanted to protect Sasuke from Obito. If he wanted that and could defeat Obito himself, he would have done it, and not resort to cheap assassination tricks. Seriously, if someone doesn't see this, they are delusional.

Would Itachi want to kill Obito?
Of course, because he wanted to protect the Leaf and Sasuke. Killing Obito would solve both problems... that is, if he could do it.

Would Obito want to kill Itachi?
Not necessarily. Itachi might have been Konoha spy, but seriously, who cares? He was a useful asset to Akatsuki nevertheless - helping Kisame infiltrate Konoha, stalling Kazekage's rescue team, extracting the bijuu from the jinchuurikis along with others... No matter what his intentions were, Itachi was useful to Akatsuki and Obito knew this.
And one last thing - Pain was taking Obito's orders. If Obito REALLY wanted to kill Itachi, he'd just order Pain to do so (assuming he wouldn't be able to do it himself, which is false). I know some of you Itachi fans think Itachi>Pain (*chuckle*), but that's a story for another time.

Not to mention the obvious fact that letting Sasuke kill Itachi allowed Obito to manipulate him and gain a powerful... tool (an ally is not a good word), especially after Sasuke was to get EMS.
 
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I agree somewhat....Obito was trained by Madara, but as far as potential Itachi is far above him I believe. Also Minato defeated a child iirc...and that child pushed him to a point where he had to decide against a split decision on wether he'd win, or lose. Obito is no slouch, also Konan imho would have easily lost had she not prepared the way she did. With that....I believe Itachi could easily decipher Kamui faster than Minato. If he prepares like Konan knowing about Kamui....Obito would be dead. Obito says this himself.... Oh....Itachi could also use Izanami...though I feel hanging out with Madara, Obito has a counter to it somehow idk. :mad:_@:

Obito fire jutsu alone is superior to Sasuke's which is stronger than Itachi's. A 14-15 year old who was trained my Madara, had Senju DNA and was using a hax power. No Itachi couldn't, Minato was surprised attacked and almost warp but FTG away and already knew the aspect of how Kamui works. Itachi would have to attack him and analyze how Obito Kamui thru the jutsu and need Obito to try and warp him to know that Obito needs to be physical to warp him which he wouldn't know unless he tries too but Itachi has no way of escaping while being warp so he would lose while analyzing it.

Madara taught Obito Uchiha kinjutsus which includes Izanami and Izanagi and Itachi called Tobi his teach so it was Obito who trained him. Itachi also said Izanami isn't a jutsu to use in a fight because you can escape from it and who's better to escape than the guy who trained him.

Manga proff = "every jutsu has weakness" - by Itachi himself hes intelligent if you didnt noticed that.

Obito is intelligent as well, he's been manipulating ppl since he was 13 years old. How would Itachi know of Obito needing to be solid to warp him or even be able to warp him unless Obito actually grabs him and warps him which is Obito winning. Kakashi, Guy, Bee and Naruto all figured out Obito's weakness of having to be solid to attack/warp and still couldn't hit him without using Kakashi's Kamui so no Itachi isn't doing what those 4 couldn't do without Kamui.

First this thread is not for fanboys/girls just for logic people.
Itachi could kill Obito anytime he would wanted. Reason he didnt simple - cuz Itachi was a fail.
He underestimated Obito and thought he didnt know truth about him.
Itachi himself admits that he was a fail when he was alive. So this is the reason why he didnt tryed to kill Obito.
Amaterasu? Yeah as i said before he underestimated Obito so he though this will be enough to kill him.
Now we saw several times Obito was hurt in battle(Minato, Danzo fodders, Konan injured him)
So this proves hes not invincible. As we know Itachi >= Minato > Konan > Danzo fodders.
Im not using ABC logic here just clearing this up. Or maybie justranking inteligense here.
Minato and Konan was able to see Kamui weakness. Minato did it in instant, Konan prepared and Danzos fodders was lucky.
Itachi easily saw Rinnegan vision, Chibaku and Edo tensei weakness. Plus hes the one who stated - every jutsu has weakness.
I guess this is enough to prove he could see and Kamui weakness easily.
ABC logic says Itachi could and Manga feats says the same thing.
Itachi vs Obito battle would be very similar to Konan vs Obito.
Itachi would prepare himself and with his inteligense and battle tactics easily ambush Obito.
Obito would be dead like he said himself. The end.

Nope, Itachi would did trying to analyze Kamui, still now be able to hit him and waste his chakra, or get a Kamui/wood style combination and end it. Minato is stronger than Itachi so don't try that, Shunshin counters the sharingan and it took Madara to even get A into a genjutsu which A couldn't believe happened and Minato is even faster than A so don't count for Genjutsu or Amaterasu hitting him.

Itachi saw thru the Rinnegan's weakness while Kabuto was focused on Naruto on Bee, he didn't do that in a 1 on 1 fight. He was able to see how Kabuto made Nagato counter Bee's attack, thus you use a feat made with help. Yes he saw CT weakness but he couldn't do anything about it allow, he asked Naruto and Bee to use their strongest jutsu, if he didn't need help then he wouldn't ask for it (he asked Sasuke to look in his eyes when they were under sound genjutsu). He didn't really see thru edo's weakness but figured there had to be one (was going to use genjutsu to make Kabuto tell him how to stop it) and Kabuto plain out told them what to do.

If Naruto, Bee, Kakashi, Guy were unable to hit him even after learning of his weakness then how do you expect Itachi, who prolong his life using medicine and if pushed too far dies, is going to do better? Naruto, Bee and Guy all have speed equal to or greater than Itachi as well
 

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Indeed. Itachi believed Tobi was Madara and thus believed he could not get killed, he thought he was immortal. But the truth was Itachi overestimated tobi because of the feared "Madara Uchiha" name. That was the reason Obito used Madara's name after all, to strike fear and take him seriously. That's how the war started in the 1st place.

"Fortunetly, I managed to keep a few secrets even from him, or else I'd be dead" Right there Obito expresses relief itachi didn't fully understand him. If Itachi would have known what Tobi is really about or who he is, what he's capable of, he was as good as dead.

MS Obito barely managed to kill Konan, could not beat kakashi, and got denied by Minato. Itachi would murder him twice had he had an actual battle.

So you're saying Itachi was fooled by Obito in thinking he was Madara while Minato was using Tobi's feats to say he was Madara then said he couldn't be . Minato didn't care if he was Madara or not, only that he had to be beaten, Itachi would have beaten Tobi if he could to protect Konoha and Sasuke but he couldn't.

So if Itachi knew Tobi was Obito, knew all about Kamui, his Katon that's on Madara's level, extended knowledge that was passed down from Madara, Senju DNA, Control of Gedo Mezo, Uchiha Kinjutsus, yin-yang jutsu, wood jutsus and able to shoot giant ninja tools via Kamui, that Itachi could kill him? Kakashi, Naruto, Bee and Guy all knew of Kamui and still couldn't have hit him without Kakashi's Kamui and only Nagato and Konan knew of the 5 min time limit.

Do you even know why Itachi talked about EMS in the first place? It all starts with the one big lie - Itachi wanted that Sasuke would think he wants his eyes(that wasnt true). So this all crap where Itachi is talking how he wants to surpass "Madara" is another lie for Sasuke to believe he wants to kill him for the eyes. Im saying you cant use this fight to prove something to me. Fail.

Wrong, Itachi talked about the EMS not only to give Sasuke the information about taking his eyes once he's dead but to further sell his role to make Sasuke go all out which was the only why to allow Orochimaru to come out so he can remove him. Itachi told Sasuke that he sought out "Madara" and became his student, Itachi's memory to Sasuke shows Itachi finding Tobi

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Wonder why Obito was thankful Itachi didn't know his secret? Um probably the same reason Itachi doesn't tell people he's severely ill and only prolonging his life with medicine or that he suffers pain which creates an opening after each MS jutsu use or that he's going blind or if you make him push himself too much that he'll die. Knowledge is power and Itachi, like many other ninjas capitalize with that information.
 
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