There is no way in hell Tobi will fear Itachi/Nagato as the manga clearly stated that he is so confident to take on KabutoMaru even in front of the 5 strongest members of Akatsuki. It was never stated in the manga that Tobi want to kill / fight Itachi, However, it was very obvious that Itachi wished Tobi to die. There was an agreement between the two that's why Tobi left Konoha "off limits' while Itachi supports Akatsuki's goal by requiring his chakra to unseal the tailed beast to their host & contained the same to the gedo-mazou. All Tobi wanted was Itachi to die at the hands of Sasuke so he could easily manipulate him. Tobi uses Akatsuki for his advantage & not the other way around. Tobi will never be outsmarted by Itachi, or he would have done that a long time ago. Last time I checked, it was Tobi who clearly outsmarted Itachi by deceiving him that he was the invincible Madara.
Seems that common sense isn't so common nowadays. *Sigh*
Pre-rinnegan Tobi > Itachi, or were totally reading different naruto manga to begin with!
as we all know, tobi cannot be touched by physical attacks but itachi is know for his genjutsu that surpasses everyone else's (except shisui from what we have heard). genjutsu isnt a physical attack so even if tobi makes himself un touchable, one look into itachi's eye and its all over.
There seems to be a bit of confusion on if Itachi could defeat ToBI before he got the rinnegan... -__- really??? Itachi stood no chance at all! And im going to list facts on the situation since ppl dont read the manga!
Biggest misconception is: "Tobi was afraid of itachi, thats why he didnt attack the village".... Really? What Manga was anybody who believe this reading? Let me list the real FACTS FROM THE MANGA!
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It was a pact/agreement/deal/understanding anything along those lines that they made! So STFU saying he was just scared of itachi and thats the reason why he didnt attack the Leaf.
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And right here is where they made the deal from itachis own lips!!! But ppl still cant read i guess! smh
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Then right here he says if he knew his secrets he would be dead. Thats the same for any ninja! If Chiyo them knew Sasoris secrets from the beginning they could of killed him. If Jman knew Pains secret he could of won. If Asuma Knew Hidan secret he could of been alive right now. We seen what happened when Sasuke figured out diedara uses Earth style, SHikamaru knew Hidans secret, Naruto knew Pains secret, Konan supposely knew Tobi's secret etc etc.
So STFU Little kids (i say Little kids because most kids under the age of 16 are the ones who seem to think this non-sense and cannot read the manga obviously). But im not down yet!
Now im going to go on the Battle aspect of the fight and how Tobi is just better! Im going to list how Tobi Counters everything Itachi has to offer!
Genjutsu:
This is the most easiest thing to counter! First off ima list what itachi himself STATED;
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Right here is where he says some own with my blood (which obito is a full blooded Uchiha) so itachi would not even try to use a costful Jutsu on tobi (or Madara as he knows him to be). But more then that, Tobi would know what to expect and most likely know how to break it (disrupt your chakra like sasuke did). So in short Obito>>>>Genjutsu
Taijutsu: Next we Have Taijutsu... Really? Tobi who can read movements from Might Guy Himself
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whos is a better Taijutsu fighter then him btw. Not only that he was battling Naruto KM as well at the same damn time and winning! Plus the fact if Itachi gets to close and grabbed he is getting sucked up! GG Itachi! Obito FTW in this department!
Obito>>>>Taijutsu
Ninjutsu:
This is where things gets fun!!! Im going to highlight itachi's known "advantages":
Amateratsu:
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As you can see it was a body wide hit from the attack! And he survived it at point blank range!!! Why the **** do ppl still think that attack would work when its manga proof that it would not!!!!
And when it doesn't work, itachi would feel the side effects like him and sasuke always feel after using the black flames they leave themselfs WIDE OPEN!!! Grabbing there eyes because of the pain.
Obito>>>>>>Amateratsu
With his Kamui the jutsu is as good as useless!
Susanoo:
Again with Kamui this is the most useless of itachis 3 techs! Itachi would never lay a hit on tobi! We all know susanoo has no defense from below:
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And keep in mind Obito Knows everything about the sharinagn and any version it has to offer! He would know about everything Itachi is doing and how it works!
Totsuka Blade has to pierce to seal anything it wants.
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And as we know with Kamui this will never in a million years happen!!!
So in short anything Itachi can do that would be major will be useless based off Manga facts!!!
If itachi gets in range Tobi unleashes giant projectiles from his Kamui Dimension:
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But besides all the manga facts i provided Itachi was sick and TOBI KNEW IT!!! Itachi healthy looses, Itachi sick gets RAPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. If shit gets real Izanagi instantly solves that problem! And dont say "he has izanami to counter that" when izanami takes forever to set up and preform and Tobi knows about it and would know how to counter it!
Well,in the bold part,I think you're missing your own point.Tobi is battling Guy,yeah you're right.BUT he has already a rinnegan in there.So how the heck will he beat Itachi in terms of Taijutsu and Raw power.
Plus your thread lack of something.
INTELLIGENCE.Presenting a battle between 2 Uchihas requires good understanding of their own skill and their opponent's.
Who will outsmart who ? They know that they are battling with an Uchiha so it's no surprise that they know their opponent's jutsu very well.So Intelligence will play the biggest part in this battle.
Definitely Itachi wins in this part.Itachi is calm and well collected person.Judging from his past battles,he will not make a move without a plan.I'am not saying that Tobi is not smart,I'm just saying that Itachi is waaaay smarter than Tobi.
Your thread,as a whole,is good.
But I'am giving the crown to Itachi.
One of the best threads i've read in some time......good work but since this site is full of Itachi's Junk Buddies so you might not get the appreciation you deserve.
and i think some ppl have started underestimating Tobi as soon as it was revealed that it's Obito .....i think that they are forgetting that the Masked Man is the primary antagonist of the Naruto series and underestimating the main villain is the biggest shyt they can pull
note: don't get the wrong idea from the sig......i'm just appreciating his humbleness
tobi made a deal with a 13 year old boy -___- that explains everything. the craziest thing about this deal is that tobi didnt benefit from this deal in anyway,itachi had gotten help for his massacre mission and a promise from tobi stating that he wont go after sasuke or the village. what did tobi get in this deal? literally nothing. so why would he make a deal that he wouldnt benefit from? its because he was scared of itachi. if tobi wasnt scared of itachi then he would of started the moon plan years ago. the fact that tobi waited until itachi dies to attack the leaf is proof enough. the people that are ignoring the manga just shows you are kamui fanboys :sy:
Op is an idiot who ignores facts and makes up rhetoric, oh and use the search bar troll this has been done plenty of times. For the record the difference between itachi and obito is the difference between heaven and earth. Obito dreams of being itachi or sasuke
(insert bullshit) Taijutsu:
(....bullshit...)Plus the fact if Itachi gets to close and grabbed he is getting sucked up! GG Itachi! Obito FTW in this department!
Obito>>>>Taijutsu
the only thing people could say about itachi winning is full of 'buts' and 'If's'
obito is untouchable plus he has izanami and tsukyomi and amaterasu is rendered useless.
see that IF up there? lmao
ur if/but shiet goes same for tobi
lol @ all these assumptions by serious narutards
and nope, itachi takes this
itachi = boot
tobi = ant
so fuq out of here
No need to be confused or argue over this simply issue. It obvious that tobi will defeat itachi. Like the OP said every itachi attack will slip through and tobi is faster and probably smater(battle term)
There seems to be a bit of confusion on if Itachi could defeat ToBI before he got the rinnegan... -__- really??? Itachi stood no chance at all! And im going to list facts on the situation since ppl dont read the manga!
Biggest misconception is: "Tobi was afraid of itachi, thats why he didnt attack the village".... Really? What Manga was anybody who believe this reading? Let me list the real FACTS FROM THE MANGA!
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It was a pact/agreement/deal/understanding anything along those lines that they made! So STFU saying he was just scared of itachi and thats the reason why he didnt attack the Leaf.
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And right here is where they made the deal from itachis own lips!!! But ppl still cant read i guess! smh
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Then right here he says if he knew his secrets he would be dead. Thats the same for any ninja! If Chiyo them knew Sasoris secrets from the beginning they could of killed him. If Jman knew Pains secret he could of won. If Asuma Knew Hidan secret he could of been alive right now. We seen what happened when Sasuke figured out diedara uses Earth style, SHikamaru knew Hidans secret, Naruto knew Pains secret, Konan supposely knew Tobi's secret etc etc.
So STFU Little kids (i say Little kids because most kids under the age of 16 are the ones who seem to think this non-sense and cannot read the manga obviously). But im not down yet!
Now im going to go on the Battle aspect of the fight and how Tobi is just better! Im going to list how Tobi Counters everything Itachi has to offer!
Genjutsu:
This is the most easiest thing to counter! First off ima list what itachi himself STATED;
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Right here is where he says some own with my blood (which obito is a full blooded Uchiha) so itachi would not even try to use a costful Jutsu on tobi (or Madara as he knows him to be). But more then that, Tobi would know what to expect and most likely know how to break it (disrupt your chakra like sasuke did). So in short Obito>>>>Genjutsu
Taijutsu:
Next we Have Taijutsu... Really? Tobi who can read movements from Might Guy Himself
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whos is a better Taijutsu fighter then him btw. Not only that he was battling Naruto KM as well at the same damn time and winning! Plus the fact if Itachi gets to close and grabbed he is getting sucked up! GG Itachi! Obito FTW in this department!
Obito>>>>Taijutsu
Ninjutsu:
This is where things gets fun!!! Im going to highlight itachi's known "advantages":
Amateratsu:
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As you can see it was a body wide hit from the attack! And he survived it at point blank range!!! Why the **** do ppl still think that attack would work when its manga proof that it would not!!!!
And when it doesn't work, itachi would feel the side effects like him and sasuke always feel after using the black flames they leave themselfs WIDE OPEN!!! Grabbing there eyes because of the pain.
Obito>>>>>>Amateratsu
With his Kamui the jutsu is as good as useless!
Susanoo:
Again with Kamui this is the most useless of itachis 3 techs! Itachi would never lay a hit on tobi! We all know susanoo has no defense from below:
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And keep in mind Obito Knows everything about the sharinagn and any version it has to offer! He would know about everything Itachi is doing and how it works!
Totsuka Blade has to pierce to seal anything it wants.
You must be registered for see images
And as we know with Kamui this will never in a million years happen!!!
So in short anything Itachi can do that would be major will be useless based off Manga facts!!!
If itachi gets in range Tobi unleashes giant projectiles from his Kamui Dimension:
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But besides all the manga facts i provided Itachi was sick and TOBI KNEW IT!!! Itachi healthy looses, Itachi sick gets RAPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. If shit gets real Izanagi instantly solves that problem! And dont say "he has izanami to counter that" when izanami takes forever to set up and preform and Tobi knows about it and would know how to counter it!
Its you again huh? First of all itachi being an eyesore means something...which is tobi not being able to do anything to the leaf without getting his ass kicked...
Second of all.....Izanami would put a stop to a power hungry uchiha...And it has no counters so don't take shit out of your ass and try to make it a fact...
Itachi beats 3 tome Tobi any day.
At the time of Obito's "death" his intelligence level was 1. Ok well he obviously matured alot between the time of the incident and the attack. Lets be nice and give him a 3.5 for intelligence.
Now lets look at Minato vs Tobi. Minato was able to identify and counter Tobi's S/T ninjutsu very quickly.
If I am correct Itachi was the Captain of the Anbu Black Ops by that point. His intelligence is probably at least a 4 if not 5.
Now you are putting Itachi in a senerio where he has no intelligence. I can tell u right now Itachi is NOT going to use any MS abilities. Itachi is going to out smart Tobi every single time.
Example: Itachi throws kunai at Tobi... It goes straight through. He creates diversion and moves in with crow clone. Tobi starts to suck crow clone in. Whatever. He knows he becomes tangible at that point. Itachi leaves exploding clone out in the open. Tobi comes up behind exploding clone grabs it and game over.
This is all without genjutsu. Im pretty sure Itachi has powerful enough regular genjutsu that he could destroy Tobi too.
Honestly without the rinnengan, Tobi can't really do much against Itachi except switch dimensions. I think this would be a pointless battle because Itachi does have stronger techniques, whereas Tobi has intangibility which causes the battle to go on forever. Furthermore, Itachi wouldn't be so stupid as to let Tobi grab him and switch dimensions. Then there's also the point of Itachi using susanoo rib cage, which wouldn't let Tobi grab him. Although it consumes large amounts of chakra, if tobi does end up becoming tangible, all itachi needs to do is look into his eyes and it's game over. Itachi's genjutsu is probably the strongest in the ENTIRE series if you count KA on his side, whereas Tobi's is nowhere near his level.
Furthermore, Izanagi is useless against Izanami.
But, as I said before, this battle is useless. Tobi is just going to stay in his other dimension and itachi is just going to wait for the moment to attack. Boring ass fight if you ask me. Itachi won't attack him head on because he is only fast enough to dodge, not like the 4th who is able to out-speed him.
I hate the fact that everybody is riding obito to beat itachi. It is a no brainer, itachi by land slide. Obito dosen't deserve to wear the rinnegan. He is Madara's little stooge. Itachi analyzes and destroys 3 tomoe obito. The real question is how will Sasuke ETS fair against rinnegan Obito?
