Itachi chances to defeat Hashirama

[Da Best Ever]

To be honest I think Hashirama bteaks Tsukoyomi. He broke the Edo Tensei with a simple blink. And his cells cheat on everything. Hashi low diff F*ck what anyone says

He achieved what Shisuis strongest Genjutsu did without even trying I dont care Tsukoyomi dont work on him

Manga fact › your stupid opinion and the manga says only a uchiha sibling can break tsukoyami of the caster and hashirama ain't related to itachi so he loses... What i find stupid about the Hashi pro debaters in this thread is yall arguments are so weak saying he does so just because he's Hashi or his cells does this or blah blah that but you all fail to realize Hashi has an actual counter to tsukoyami and thats sage mode he won't need eyes to see itachi he would be able to sense him but there us a problem with that since no shinobi uses full power from the start except itachi, he's the only shinobi that does that so in order for Hashi to not be solo'd from the start the op needs to start him in sm

 

[Jokule67]

Hashirama has no Genjutsu Feats, Edo Tensei can be broken by sheer Will or Power alone, many Fodder such as the Third Kazekage have done it. You can't consider that a Genjutsu feat especially considering that Edo Tensei is a sealing Jutsu.

Sealing Jutsus dont control the mind. Genjutsu does. It takes Genjutsu(Koto Amatsukami), the power to break Genjutsu(Hashis pure Power), or knowledge of the seals (Madara) to break Edo Tensei. It virtually had no weaknesses.

And the 3rd Kazekage was never ressurrected.

Hashi was never placed under a genjutsu cuz he's too boss for that. Deal with it.

 

[Jokule67]

I hate to say it but Itachi Rekts, I dont see any reason to believe Hashirama would win. BTW Itachi was also revered as a "God" too.

Not until Hashi took the throne from all those lackeys, hirizen included

 

[Jokule67]

Manga fact › your stupid opinion and the manga says only a uchiha sibling can break tsukoyami of the caster and hashirama ain't related to itachi so he loses... What i find stupid about the Hashi pro debaters in this thread is yall arguments are so weak saying he does so just because he's Hashi or his cells does this or blah blah that but you all fail to realize Hashi has an actual counter to tsukoyami and thats sage mode he won't need eyes to see itachi he would be able to sense him but there us a problem with that since no shinobi uses full power from the start except itachi, he's the only shinobi that does that so in order for Hashi to not be solo'd from the start the op needs to start him in sm

Hashi wasnt in Sage Mode when he broke Edo Tensei dumbass. Itachi weak ass chakra cannot contain Hashiramas Power. If you think it can you even crazy as hell.

All this is manga fact. Hashirama has power that contained the Ten Tails while helping hold up the strongest Konoha barrier. You stupid lol. Why do you think Madara needed Kyuubi to step up to Hashirama?

 

[~Ethereal~]

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[Jokule67]

Naruto Facts. Ninja laws dont apply to Hashirama and Madara. They broke every rule in the book. Noone else has.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Hashi wasnt in Sage Mode when he broke Edo Tensei dumbass. Itachi weak ass chakra cannot contain Hashiramas Power. If you think it can you even crazy as hell.

All this is manga fact. Hashirama has power that contained the Ten Tails while helping hold up the strongest Konoha barrier. You stupid lol. Why do you think Madara needed Kyuubi to step up to Hashirama?

Wtf are you calling me dumbass for, i never said he didnt go sm after that i simply mentioned why your argument was so weak i gave you a actual way hashirama could win while you were saying its Hashi blah blah blah his cells do this and that argument... #WeakArgument

Fail again you think edo tensei controls the mind when ut doesn't it binds the soul... Mind and soul are two different things...

Also the very way kabuto and oro have used edo tensei goes against your it controls the mind argument because they free the mind of all there edo summons and orochimaru specifically freed the mind of The One Who Know Everything which included hashirama so they can talk to sasuke so wtf are you talking about...

Also hashirama did no go into sm right after tye sasuke talk he didn't do so until he made it to tue battlefield and it wasn't instant, and he hasn't ever went into sm or used full power from the start no one has but itachi si he still loses even though i helped your argument...

Fail he wasn't in sm when he broke out of oro edo tensei he was still ij base i just went back and watched the episode... Your **** riding is amazing so devout that you make up shit that has nothing to do with my post that you replied ti abd u still countered the non sense


#PostGod

 

[Da Best Ever]

Naruto Facts. Ninja laws dont apply to Hashirama and Madara. They broke every rule in the book. Noone else has.

What rule has Hashi broke? Edo tensei so has itachi

Now madara us a different story he's done everything and nothin applies to him....

 

[Jokule67]

Wtf are you calling me dumbass for, i never said he didnt go sm after that i simply mentioned why your argument was so weak i gave you a actual way hashirama could win while you were saying its Hashi blah blah blah his cells do this and that argument... #WeakArgument

Fail again you think edo tensei controls the mind when ut doesn't it binds the soul... Mind and soul are two different things...

Also the very way kabuto and oro have used edo tensei goes against your it controls the mind argument because they free the mind of all there edo summons and orochimaru specifically freed the mind of The One Who Know Everything which included hashirama so they can talk to sasuke so wtf are you talking about...

Also hashirama did no go into sm right after tye sasuke talk he didn't do so until he made it to tue battlefield and it wasn't instant, and he hasn't ever went into sm or used full power from the start no one has but itachi si he still loses even though i helped your argument...

Hashirama wins. Just cuz you say they are weak doesnt exclude your own weak ass arguements.

He did supress their personalities but He could still bind them and control them at will. All except for Hashirama because he is too strong.

If Itachis Genjutsu is so strong he could free himself but it took Koto the strongest genjutsu to break the Binding. Itachi described it as layering one spell on top of the other.

Madara undid his binding and Hashirama effortlessly was broke his with a smile on his face.

Madara is the strongest Uchiha and he couldnt beat Hashi with Genjutsu. He knows it takes more than that. You still have to realize that also.

Sasuke himself, a guy that imprisoned 9 bijuu(best genjutsu feat by far) didnt bother using Genjutsu on Naruto(Hashi's Successor).

 

[YellowFang]

33% ... 3/10 chances

Other than Madara, maybe only Sasuke is the one who could see through Kage Bunshins. Itachi is definitely not going to succeed much often in putting him under Genjutsu, credit to Hashi's experience in anti-Uchiha warfare.

Most obvious reasoning is that Hashirama is a long to v.long range fighter primarily, reduces the risk of clear eye-connection.

 

[Jokule67]

What rule has Hashi broke? Edo tensei so has itachi

Now madara us a different story he's done everything and nothin applies to him....

You mean Shisui. Itachi didnt do that on his own power sir.

Hashi is in the same boat as Madara. Edo Tensei didnt affect him in the slightest. His sheer power broke the binding. Itachi would cough and die before subdoing Hashirama. It'll be worse than against Sasuke

 

[Itachi Edo]

Given prep time, yeah and high diff. Hashirama's massive strength can't be overcome in a 1v1 fight with no prep time, not unless you are close to the same level

 

[shelke]

He has zero chances. Let's get real here.

 

[Da Best Ever]

You mean Shisui. Itachi didnt do that on his own power sir.

Hashi is in the same boat as Madara. Edo Tensei didnt affect him in the slightest. His sheer power broke the binding. Itachi would cough and die before subdoing Hashirama. It'll be worse than against Sasuke

Lok clearly you didn't read the manga... Itachi broke free of his own accord he manipulated the KA of shi sui ms to counter his eyes if the ever meet which is what happened the eye of shi sui was left in naruto abd when they met up wuth naruto and bee thats the result a free itachi... He changed the way ka could be used


Fail again Edo tensei controls the soul nit the mind, genjutsu controls the mind hashirama broke free of a soul binding jutsu not a mind binding jutsu... He has no counter to tsukoyami

Manga fact › your opinion, manga states only a sibling of tge caster can counter tsukoyami

 

[Da Best Ever]

Given prep time, yeah and high diff. Hashirama's massive strength can't be overcome in a 1v1 fight with no prep time, not unless you are close to the same level

Tsukoyami doesn't require pre time hashirama loses in a matter of seconds

 

[Da Best Ever]

33% ... 3/10 chances

Other than Madara, maybe only Sasuke is the one who could see through Kage Bunshins. Itachi is definitely not going to succeed much often in putting him under Genjutsu, credit to Hashi's experience in anti-Uchiha warfare.

Most obvious reasoning is that Hashirama is a long to v.long range fighter primarily, reduces the risk of clear eye-connection.

Fail again hashirama has never faced genjutsu if that level madara has shown genjutsu only twice and both times were 3 tomoe genjutsu so try again he won't use bushins from the start to counter genjutsu he doesn't know about

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Sealing Jutsus dont control the mind. Genjutsu does. It takes Genjutsu(Koto Amatsukami), the power to break Genjutsu(Hashis pure Power), or knowledge of the seals (Madara) to break Edo Tensei. It virtually had no weaknesses.

And the 3rd Kazekage was never ressurrected.

Hashi was never placed under a genjutsu cuz he's too boss for that. Deal with it.

The Edo Tensei AKA Summoning: Impure World Technique is not a Getjutsu it is a Summoning technique(Sealing Jutsu) that Summons a Soul from the Impure World into a Vessel. It doesnt have much to do with the mind more to do with the Soul or Life Force of an individual, if that individuals Life Force is too large for one to Control(As Demonstrated by Hashirama) he can forcibly regain control over his Life Force since it is literally too strong to be controlled(Unless the caster is strong enough to maintain Control which Orochimaru obviously wasn't). It is not a Genjutsu.

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Also I was referring to Garra's Father whom broke the Edo Tensei through Will alone.



So essentially, The Edo Tensei IS a Summoning Technique, breaking a Sealing Jutsu isn't a Genjutsu Feat. And thus Hashirama has no significant Genjutsu Feats.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Hashirama wins. Just cuz you say they are weak doesnt exclude your own weak ass arguements.

He did supress their personalities but He could still bind them and control them at will. All except for Hashirama because he is too strong.

If Itachis Genjutsu is so strong he could free himself but it took Koto the strongest genjutsu to break the Binding. Itachi described it as layering one spell on top of the other.

Madara undid his binding and Hashirama effortlessly was broke his with a smile on his face.

Madara is the strongest Uchiha and he couldnt beat Hashi with Genjutsu. He knows it takes moresouln that. You still have to realize that also.

Sasuke himself, a guy that imprisoned 9 bijuu(best genjutsu feat by far) didnt bother using Genjutsu on Naruto(Hashi's Successor).

Fail again where is yall manga knowledge at... Im not going to gi all the way through this im just going to counter your vital points of yoyr argument


1. You say madara's genjutsu hasn't worked on hashirama... Answer this... How many times have madara used genjutsu? 2 times, and what level of genjutsu were they? Both times were 3 tomoe genjutsu, once on Ay via a mokuton clone and the other on the kyuubi... So when has hashirama faced a genjutsu on the level of tsukoyami? NEVER,... The final question you need ti answer is... Does tye manga state ONLY a UCHIHA and SIBLING of the caster can break tsukoyami????


2. You say hashirama broke edo tensei therefore he cab break tsukoyami... Fail again genjutsu controls the mind edo tensei controls the soul mind and soul are not the same...

3. You say itachi's genjutsu couldn't free him of edo tensei well thats true for that circumstances because kabuto "Mastered " edo tensei being able to bring people back at 100% and even past their primes while orochimaru only brought them back close to their primes, thats a huge difference between edo tensei caster, also madara would have never been able to be free had itachi not took control of kabuto and saved the ninja world, kabuto would have taken away madara's personality had he tried and negated the possibility of him performing the seals but itachi saved the day so... Anyway KA was itachi's genjutsu, it was given ti him just like ms and. Kamui was given to kakashi so stay mad and anyway itachi rewrote what ka was used for he manipulated it to only counter his eyes...

 

[00Rinne]

Godtachi doesn't need his eyes to tsukuyomi!

Endo story!

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Given prep time, yeah and high diff. Hashirama's massive strength can't be overcome in a 1v1 fight with no prep time, not unless you are close to the same level

What help does massive strength serve against Yata Mirror? lol