Itachi can't kill any one in Tsukuyomi

[Harry Balzac]

^Obviously. Which is what the OP doesn't seem to understand. If the brain shuts down, so does the body. It's common sense.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Didn't Itachi cast Tsukuyomi on Naruto just by pointing at him?

No,that was another genjutsu.

 

[Vegeto30294]

ok I am too lazy to show the scans but you can find it youself.
also dont forget to watch the scan when sasuke broke itachi's tsukuyomi , it was itachi who was suffering from trauma or side effect.
the same goes to fight between Bee and sasuke where sasuke was more tired after Bee broke tsukuyomi

so I just want to say both victim and caster suffer nearly equal trauma. Itachi is just used to the suffering . I thinks so

Kakashi is KO'd Itachi still had the power to use Amaterasu and a second Tsukiyomi later.

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[Shadow Phantasm]

Kakashi is KO'd Itachi still had the power to use Amaterasu and a second Tsukiyomi later.

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He won't listen.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

Uhh,Sasuke fell to his knees after breaking out of Tsukiyomi so that's false.Not to mention this is no evidence that he used Tsukiyomi against Bee since it's fan speculation at this point.

Its a known fact sasuke used tsukuyomi and there is no denial that Sasuke and Itachi both suffered trauma after using tsukuyomi.

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I am bad at finding manga scans but Itachi clearly said to kisame that it was too much strain on his body after he used tsukuyomi + amatersu hence he need a long rest. I hope you can find the manga page yourself

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

^Obviously. Which is what the OP doesn't seem to understand. If the brain shuts down, so does the body. It's common sense.

Sasuke suffered in tsukuyomi but still he managed to run away from village.
sasuke suffered from tsukuyomi but still he managed to break it and fight itachi
killer B n danzou got hit by tsukuyomi but still they managed to fight.
Part 1 kakashi was average ninja during part 1 so He was shown to be weak against itachi. current Kakashi can withstand that pain and torture .

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Sasuke suffered in tsukuyomi but still he managed to run away from village.
sasuke suffered from tsukuyomi but still he managed to break it and fight itachi
killer B n danzou got hit by tsukuyomi but still they managed to fight.
Part 1 kakashi was average ninja during part 1 so He was shown to be weak against itachi. current Kakashi can withstand that pain and torture .

1.)Itachi was'nt fighting seriously since he wanted to die at Sasuke's hand,2.)Danzo and Killer Bee were'nt hit with Tsukiyomi since it has very distinct effects.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Its a known fact sasuke used tsukuyomi and there is no denial that Sasuke and Itachi both suffered trauma after using tsukuyomi.

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I am bad at finding manga scans but Itachi clearly said to kisame that it was too much strain on his body after he used tsukuyomi + amatersu hence he need a long rest. I hope you can find the manga page yourself

Killer Bee was'nt hit with Tsukiyomi since it causes paralysis and severe mental trauma.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

[/QUOTE]basically, you're saying that the only way you can beat Itachi's Genjutsu is to have multiple people attack, when it was meant to be a 1 vs 1[/QUOTE]

This thread was for general scenerio . not specifically for 1vs1. + konoha ninjas always work in group

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

1.)Itachi was'nt fighting seriously since he wanted to die at Sasuke's hand,2.)Danzo and Killer Bee were'nt hit with Tsukiyomi since it has very distinct effects.

Don't be Hippocrates. Itachi was fighting with his all force. Ya itachi was testing his brother but itachi threw everything he had . You cant expect a normal genjutsu from M.S and Danzou himself said that sasuke's tsukuyomi is far cry against that of itachi. but it was tsukuyomi neverthless.

 

[Bogard]

I'll just requote myself U_U

It has never been shown that tsukuyomi can kill. Everytime it was used, the opponent survived. Some like Kakashi were even able to still continue to stand and talk for a while before collapsing definitely some time after

Young Sasuke(during the uchiha massacre) didn't even collapsed at all(well for a second). Now i know the excuse will come "Itachi never tried to kill his opponents". But problem is manga and databook confirms that Tsukuyomi can't kill. The working of the jutsu was clearly described

Unfortunately, narutobase blocked links coming from narutoforums, but here is what the databook says about tsukuyomi

Databook

Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!!



Tsukuyomi is a jutsu that makes the prisoner's spirit collapse by showing torments of hell or some things like this. You can verify and you'll notice databook never stated tsukuyomi could kill people

Now in the manga, Zetsu(a neutral one who didn't care about the outcome of the fight), that since Sasuke ate tsukuyomi, he won't be capable to move

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Notice he didn't think Sasuke would die. He only stated that the fact he received Tsukuyomi, his body won't move anymore

Later again, all his concern was about how he didn't collapse after receiving tsukuyomi

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Before some people post Kisame's statement from chapter 142, i'd like to point out that it was a translation error, and it's even more obvious when you notice that they spelled Uchiha with a "d" instead of a "h". The translation was really poor back then. I checked the official viz(again in narutoforums) and this is what is stated

Viz

Kakashi: (Thinking) Unh... I see... Three days in that realm and less than a moment passed in this one... Why not kill me? If he wanted to he could...
(Saying out loud) Ugh... It's still... affecting me...
Kisame: Hm....after all that the fool's spirit is intact...meanwhile you've overused those eyes of yours, you know that's dangerous.

So like you can see, tsukuyomi is a jutsu used more to cause a mental breakdown in the opponent's spirit. It's not meant to kill the opponent since it can't

Not sure if there would be a great difference in battle, but just wanted to clarify things. U_U Probably not my first time to come up with this point, but i think it needed to be said U_U

 

[BlackFlame44]

Except the illusion is real,anything that happens in the illusion effects the victim in real life as well.For example Sasuke immediately fell to his news after breaking out of Tsukiyomi that a non serious Itachi put him in.If Itachi wanted to kill Sasuke then the illusion would be more potent.

No that's not it kakashi didn't wake up from tsukuyomi with any cuts

 

[Vegeto30294]

Sasuke suffered in tsukuyomi but still he managed to run away from village.

You know, after being hospitalized for a week and needing specifically Tsunade to heal him.

It's simple. If you break down to Tsukiyomi, you're incapacitated, which in a fight, might as well mean dead.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

I'll just requote myself U_U

nice points there

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

No that's not it kakashi didn't wake up from tsukuyomi with any cuts

That's because the damage was done to his mind,everything that happens in Tsukiyomi's illusion is transmitted to the victim's brain and all of the damage is done there.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

You know, after being hospitalized for a week and needing specifically Tsunade to heal him.

It's simple. If you break down to Tsukiyomi, you're incapacitated, which in a fight, might as well mean dead.

But sasuke was just a kid. how can u ignore these details. obviously if a kid can withstand it then definitely strong ninjas can recover quickly from tsukuyomi trauma.

The risk involved with casting tsukuyomi is very high with caster himself that's why itachi used tsukuyomi only 4-5 times.

while sasuke used tsukuyomi + amatersu +susanoo in like 3 main battles and sasuke was already blind. Hence tsukuyomi has more side effect than battle effect.

 

[BlackFlame44]

That's because the damage was done to his mind,everything that happens in Tsukiyomi's illusion is transmitted to the victim's brain and all of the damage is done there.

Kinda how all things work... But kakashi and sasuke didn't have PTSD or nothin so I guess the trauma is only temporary

 

[BlackFlame44]

But sasuke was just a kid. how can u ignore these details. obviously if a kid can withstand it then definitely strong ninjas can recover quickly from tsukuyomi trauma.

The risk involved with casting tsukuyomi is very high with caster himself that's why itachi used tsukuyomi only 4-5 times.

while sasuke used tsukuyomi + amatersu +susanoo in like 3 main battles and sasuke was already blind. Hence tsukuyomi has more side effect than battle effect.

Sasuke doesn't have tsukuyomi and sasuke isn't a normal kid you know...

 

[BlackFlame44]

But sasuke was just a kid. how can u ignore these details. obviously if a kid can withstand it then definitely strong ninjas can recover quickly from tsukuyomi trauma.

The risk involved with casting tsukuyomi is very high with caster himself that's why itachi used tsukuyomi only 4-5 times.

while sasuke used tsukuyomi + amatersu +susanoo in like 3 main battles and sasuke was already blind. Hence tsukuyomi has more side effect than battle effect.

Sasuke doesn't have tsukuyomi and sasuke isn't a normal kid you know...

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Kinda how all things work... But kakashi and sasuke didn't have PTSD or nothin so I guess the trauma is only temporary

To be fair they were never going to recover if Tsunade had'nt decided to return to the village.