Itachi beats minato

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Well since Charles is up to a debate, i'm good ;)
really a volcano? I wouldn't be surprised if the totsuka blade can cut through the space barrier that minato can produce. Speed alone doesnt determine this considering the fact that itachi has been shown to be aware of his surroundings and avoid attacks without even looking. Also your ignoring the use of itachi's shadow crow clones which he uses alot in battle which prevents him form being touched, he can easily make a clone in mere seconds with his fast hand seals.
He has shown the capacity to leave his markings middle ocean, why not middle a volcano? In this case, redirecting Itachi(with Susanoo or not), there is GG. His warping feats are instant and in levels above Itachi in speed/reaction. The time Itachi does one thing, Minato would already be 3steps aheads. Minato's reaction feats are unrivalled in this manga. When Itachi does something, while it's fast, the opponent still can actually see something, something that doesn't even happen in Minato's case or rarely. That's the gap in reaction feats that you don't see, something that even amazed high ranked kages like Tobirama or Hiruzen up until now

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Look carefully at these pics. You will notice on the first pic at the red part i draw, that after catching Naruto almost crushed by Obito mid air with Shunshun blitz, explosiv tags were already about to explode. But Minato not only managed to remove the explosiv tag really quickly while it was exploding, but , threw the explosiv tags in the shack and got out of it all that before it even exploded.

So while the explosiv tags were about to explode, he did 4moves(removing the tag, teleporting in the shack, throwing the tags, and going out of the shack) before it actually blew up

Kyubi almost crushing Kushina:

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Again, look at this pic. Minato is not even there at that moment, and Kyubi is almost crushing Kushina with his large hands, so there was practically no way for Kushina to avoid it, but here

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notice that Minato not only managed to teleport near Kushina in an instant, but also took her and avoided Kyubis large hands before Kyubis hand(that was already near crushing her) even manage to land a hit on her

Here again, he did 3moves in an instant(teleporting near Kushina, holding her and avoid Kyubis large hand)

During the "fight" against Obito, Obito was attacking him from behind in a surprise attack, and was about to warp him with Kamui like you can see on this pic:

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But Minato not even knowing what was happening at that moment, managed to get out of it in an instant very quickly

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You can see the chain are almost restraining him, but in an instant he disappeared and appeared on another location(notice the great question mark on Obito)

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Against Kyubis TBB:

TBB is something that Kyubi can launch really quickly like he already even did , but on this pic:
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Look where Minato was when Kyubi was about to launch another TBB(he was outside the village far from Kyubi), but in an instant, he not only manage to reach him, but also summon Gamabunta on him with food cart destroyer to immobilise him some times, and as if it was not finished, after that on these pics:
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notice on the first pic that the TBB was already about to explode(which even exploded on the second pic), but on the third one, Minato had enough time not only to teleport where Kushina and Naruto were, but also took and save them from the explosion and get somewhere else

So while Kyubi was launching his TBB, and eventhough he was far from him from the start, he did 5 or 6moves(reaching him with quick Shunshin blitz, summon Gamabunta with Food Cart destroyer, teleport himself with the Kyubi where Kushina and Naruto were, take and save them from the explosion by going somewhere else)

What made Minato dangerous is his combo reflexes, body speed and FTG, which made him practically untouchable and it's what people usually fail to realise. How can you touch someone who can do 3 or 4moves in an instant? It's the reason behind his nickname. He had one of the best Shunshin ever, the greatest reflexes ever, and even his body speed was just on another level

That's why i believe that Minatos reflexes are on a level on their own. No one(Naruto included) has shown such haxx reflexes in NV, no one has shown to be able to do all what Minato can do in an instant

Now coming to the Raikage and Bee vs Minato fight

Overlooked point during that battle of speed:

Raikage used his maximal Shunshin speed to try to blitz and defeat Minato, but look. The guy closed the distance to the point he was already at this position:

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But look at this gif:

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Like you can see, in that brief moment, Minato had time to throw a kunai above him, teleport to a three and come back on the kunai he threw an instant ago before A even went thru the kunai completely

We talk about someone who is probably as fast as lightning itself who was already near Minato's face, but Minato had time to throw a kunai above him, teleport to a tree and come back on the kunai he just threw before the guy even had time to traverse de kunai completely. Do you realise how insane that feat was?

For example, it's as if someone tries to shoot a bullet at you, but when it's already reaching your face, you have time to throw a pencil above the bullet, teleport somewhere else and come back to the pencil you just threw before the bullet even traversed the pencil, wow

Minato's feat is even more impressive than Naruto's because where Naruto only dodged the attack, Minato even had time to prepare the counter-attack.

Misconception: Minato barely reacted to Raikage's speed

There are some people who misinterpretated this scene in the manga and believe that Minato barely reacted, but like i've proved with my thread, this way of thinking is far from the truth and it's even in fact the contrary. It's the Raikage the one who couldn't handle Minato's speed(Raikage was still on Minato's first position when Minato did 3actions: throw a kunai, teleport away and come back on Raikage).

At that particular moment, Minato's goal wasn't to dodge the attack only, but to dodge it after preparing his counter-attack, reason why he threw a kunai above him. If he had time to throw a kunai above him AND teleport away(so 2 actions) when Raikage was inches away from him, that already shows he could have dodge it long before if he really wanted, but like i've said, it wasn't his goal at all

If Minato was able to do all that in that mere fraction of seconds, it's enough for me to realise that Minato's reaction speed is above that of V2 Raikage

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these guys had absolutely no idea what just happened, funny cuz every body were focused on the TBB

that suggests either he just use the kunai for the s/t barrier from a distance or he apeared and disappeared so fast that no one noticed

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you may deny this if i say he FTGed himself + both hiruzen & tobirama simultaneously at 3 different locations
but u can't deny the fact that sakura had no idea where did they suddenly go(see yellow)
that means either he teleported tobirama, hiruzen & himself at 3 different locations simultaneously or he did it one by one so fast that normal eyes can't see what happened


another thing u need to know he absolutely knew what they have to do next - { } and he had 3 ftg marking (kunai) ready at convenient locations . (in the face of the haters who kept denying the simple logic that 'being a hokage one would know more than just ftg and rasengan)

when he appeared before naruto ( ) he already had done it all including the following -




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and what do you know he had that kunai placed so far away (just think about his wicked shunshin speed)

repeating again
before he appeared in front of naruto he did place 1 kunai at a far distance to teleport TBB
and 3 kunai's at 3 different locations surrounding Juubi
and he used S/T barrier all by himself to send the biggest TBB ever by either throwing a kunai at TBB or he just apeared before tbb and used S/T barrier, but he did so fast no one could see him

after the other hokages appeared he teleported 3 different people (including himself) at 3 different location either simultaneously or he did it one by one so fast that normal eye can't even see

other thing he can use something like formation of 4 son seal which only hokage's can do

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it's undeniable now
evidence that minato is a bawss is overwhelming :scorps:

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And what about the genjutus Itachi casted on Oro? that was instant
He closed his eye's for second to cast the genjutsu,because they require a second to execute,for stronger one's a moment.
 
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wow that's too much useless threading...


The wanking of minato is too strong, not too mention he has only shown the use of KCM in edo state form, a living well minato may not be able to use it. Even if he was able to itachi can still hold his own even if a living minato had KCM.

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Edo itachi is holding his own against bee and KCM naruto with the pure use of taijutsu and doesnt get a single hit nor scratch on him, his edo state doesnt enhance nor give itachi an advantage in that confrontation with bee and naruto. Itachi was already shown in the manga to Defeat 3 elite uchiha users with there sharigan activated with pure taijutsu

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So i dont understand why people think minato with kCM has a huge lead on itachi, not too mention itachi's evasive skill in combat shown with bee and KCM naruto when they fought, itachi hardly gets touched.

I admit foot speed wise minato probably has a advantage over itachi regarding that area even so, itachi has been shown to take advantage of his surroundings and literally defeat 2 naruto clones without the use of even looking or turning around.
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If itachi and minato did fight, minato with his kcm would be sure to try to use surprise attacks with his speed against itachi, but as i clearly shown itachi makes use of his surroundings and doesnt fall easily to surprise attacks as shown as he one shotted 2 naruto clones from behind him without even looking which means he wont fall easily to surprise attacks.

Also regarding the spreading the Minatos FTG kunais
I dont see why itachi can't block them or repel with his own kunai or shuriken, since he has shown to be a expert in using kunai and shuriken and he never misses his target.

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During the fight between naruto and bee and nagato we see nagato's summons get hit from kunai and shurikens right on the spot to reduce their vision, who threw these kunais and shurikens? none the less it was Itachi with his fantastic expertise in shurikens. So the spreading of ftg shurikens from minato can get countered by itachi's kunai's and shurikens.

Itachi expertise in the art of kunai and shuriken are backed up by kabuto himself
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^^^ as stated by kabuto his shurikens were even able to reach the blind spot of nagato summons, so like i said minato spreading his ftg shuriken is hardly a threat here..
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Stopping rasegan?
This hardly holds any value considering this is a pre part 1 sasuke but we all recell itachi stopping a full power chidori with one hand?
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Now i know you cant compare a part 1 sasuke and minato but i honestly wouldnt be surprised if itachi can pull something off like this with minato with some extreme circumstances this feat back in part 1 shows itachi's display in close combat.

KCM minato or the use of ftg blitzing itachi? come on now..
I honestly find this ridiculous.

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We witness sasuke defeating 1000 shinobi with the use of his sharigan back in the early part of shippuden and he did not kill 1 single person, now when he was taking on 1000 shinobi there is no doubt he had to be careful of potentially sneak attacks or getting rushed or blitz from behind did he not? Now if sasuke was able to do that just imagine what itachi could had done with all those potential risk factors? My point is i highly doubt itachi the true successor of the sharigan will get speed blitz or what not by 1 man.

Lets discuss itachi's crow clones
Its a known fact that itachi's specializes in clones, but what type? Itachi has something called Great clone explosion technique where he basically makes a clones that can explode on his command as shown against asuma and kurenai and kakashi in part 1
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Note that kakashi had trouble keeping up with itachi's jutsu speed and kurenai herself praised itachi for his jutsu handseal speed. Now i know the next page kakashi is able to counter but still the hype holds.
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More credit to itachi's handseal speed
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As you can see during sasukes and itachis shuriken battle itach is still able to make a shadow clone during that whole mess and sasuke is astonished and praises him for that, now regarding minato it will be hard for him to land a hit on itachi because is so quick with the use of his clones, Minato will have to watch out for itachis great clone explosion technique because if he gets too close to it it can be all over for him as shown with asuma and kurenai and kakashi
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Myths regarding Minato
I find it funny when people say minato will know not to look in the eyes of a sharigan users.
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When minato was facing obito, minato made a quick assumption that he maybe madara uchiha, minato had to know madara was a weilder of a sharigan right? But yet during the whole confrontation he continued to make eye to eye facial contact with obito?
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Please dont get me started on jiraiya, another myth is that since minato was jiraiyas student he will know not to look into the eyes of a uchiha/sharigan wielder.

Thats quite funny considering jiraiya was making full eye contact with itachi in that hallway back in part 1 and jiraiya knew itachi had a sharigan
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^^^ you'd think a man like Jman would know not to make eye contact with a uchiha especially someone like itachi?

This is not a VS thread between them im not just trying to show people that even with minato having kcm in his edo state form ( we dont know for sure he could even use it even a living form) itachi still holds a threat to him and minato having KCM hardly changes anything,
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Honestly i feel minato or itachi can win in a 1 one 1 fight but people are always saying minato is a hokage and what not, the fact that orochimaru which is basically hokage level admitted to being inferior itachi so what should this say about itachi's overall strength?


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Btw on the above pic people usually like to use to say Minato was looking at Obito's eyes, let me tell you it wasn't the case at all. What people fail to notice on this pic is that before closing the distance, Minato threw a kunai on Obito's face. How did Obito dodge it? With Kamui obviously. And how does Kamui work? That's right, Obito transferred his face in the other dimension to dodge the kunai, so at that moment, Obito's face was not on this dimension, so there couldn't have been eye contact whatsover at that moment, so Minato threw that kunai on purpose exactly at that moment to complete his perfect timing without being caught by a genjutsu
 

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For those that still are delusional and still think one beats the other, I recommend you read this thread.

 

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.... omg so many thread about this... i even made one thread about this ^^ No minato cannot be catch in a genjutsu, why? yea because Jiraya was Minato's trainer. He taughted him how to avoid genjutsus + We don't know if Minato have sage mode.. if he has. Itachi loses
 

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Well since Charles is up to a debate, i'm good ;)
He has shown the capacity to leave his markings middle ocean, why not middle a volcano? In this case, redirecting Itachi(with Susanoo or not), there is GG. His warping feats are instant and in levels above Itachi in speed/reaction. The time Itachi does one thing, Minato would already be 3steps aheads. Minato's reaction feats are unrivalled in this manga. When Itachi does something, while it's fast, the opponent still can actually see something, something that doesn't even happen in Minato's case or rarely. That's the gap in reaction feats that you don't see, something that even amazed high ranked kages like Tobirama or Hiruzen up until now

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Look carefully at these pics. You will notice on the first pic at the red part i draw, that after catching Naruto almost crushed by Obito mid air with Shunshun blitz, explosiv tags were already about to explode. But Minato not only managed to remove the explosiv tag really quickly while it was exploding, but , threw the explosiv tags in the shack and got out of it all that before it even exploded.

So while the explosiv tags were about to explode, he did 4moves(removing the tag, teleporting in the shack, throwing the tags, and going out of the shack) before it actually blew up

Kyubi almost crushing Kushina:

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Again, look at this pic. Minato is not even there at that moment, and Kyubi is almost crushing Kushina with his large hands, so there was practically no way for Kushina to avoid it, but here

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notice that Minato not only managed to teleport near Kushina in an instant, but also took her and avoided Kyubis large hands before Kyubis hand(that was already near crushing her) even manage to land a hit on her

Here again, he did 3moves in an instant(teleporting near Kushina, holding her and avoid Kyubis large hand)

During the "fight" against Obito, Obito was attacking him from behind in a surprise attack, and was about to warp him with Kamui like you can see on this pic:

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But Minato not even knowing what was happening at that moment, managed to get out of it in an instant very quickly

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You can see the chain are almost restraining him, but in an instant he disappeared and appeared on another location(notice the great question mark on Obito)

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Against Kyubis TBB:

TBB is something that Kyubi can launch really quickly like he already even did , but on this pic:
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Look where Minato was when Kyubi was about to launch another TBB(he was outside the village far from Kyubi), but in an instant, he not only manage to reach him, but also summon Gamabunta on him with food cart destroyer to immobilise him some times, and as if it was not finished, after that on these pics:
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notice on the first pic that the TBB was already about to explode(which even exploded on the second pic), but on the third one, Minato had enough time not only to teleport where Kushina and Naruto were, but also took and save them from the explosion and get somewhere else

So while Kyubi was launching his TBB, and eventhough he was far from him from the start, he did 5 or 6moves(reaching him with quick Shunshin blitz, summon Gamabunta with Food Cart destroyer, teleport himself with the Kyubi where Kushina and Naruto were, take and save them from the explosion by going somewhere else)

What made Minato dangerous is his combo reflexes, body speed and FTG, which made him practically untouchable and it's what people usually fail to realise. How can you touch someone who can do 3 or 4moves in an instant? It's the reason behind his nickname. He had one of the best Shunshin ever, the greatest reflexes ever, and even his body speed was just on another level

That's why i believe that Minatos reflexes are on a level on their own. No one(Naruto included) has shown such haxx reflexes in NV, no one has shown to be able to do all what Minato can do in an instant

Now coming to the Raikage and Bee vs Minato fight

Overlooked point during that battle of speed:

Raikage used his maximal Shunshin speed to try to blitz and defeat Minato, but look. The guy closed the distance to the point he was already at this position:

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But look at this gif:

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Like you can see, in that brief moment, Minato had time to throw a kunai above him, teleport to a three and come back on the kunai he threw an instant ago before A even went thru the kunai completely

We talk about someone who is probably as fast as lightning itself who was already near Minato's face, but Minato had time to throw a kunai above him, teleport to a tree and come back on the kunai he just threw before the guy even had time to traverse de kunai completely. Do you realise how insane that feat was?

For example, it's as if someone tries to shoot a bullet at you, but when it's already reaching your face, you have time to throw a pencil above the bullet, teleport somewhere else and come back to the pencil you just threw before the bullet even traversed the pencil, wow

Minato's feat is even more impressive than Naruto's because where Naruto only dodged the attack, Minato even had time to prepare the counter-attack.

Misconception: Minato barely reacted to Raikage's speed

There are some people who misinterpretated this scene in the manga and believe that Minato barely reacted, but like i've proved with my thread, this way of thinking is far from the truth and it's even in fact the contrary. It's the Raikage the one who couldn't handle Minato's speed(Raikage was still on Minato's first position when Minato did 3actions: throw a kunai, teleport away and come back on Raikage).

At that particular moment, Minato's goal wasn't to dodge the attack only, but to dodge it after preparing his counter-attack, reason why he threw a kunai above him. If he had time to throw a kunai above him AND teleport away(so 2 actions) when Raikage was inches away from him, that already shows he could have dodge it long before if he really wanted, but like i've said, it wasn't his goal at all

If Minato was able to do all that in that mere fraction of seconds, it's enough for me to realise that Minato's reaction speed is above that of V2 Raikage

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these guys had absolutely no idea what just happened, funny cuz every body were focused on the TBB

that suggests either he just use the kunai for the s/t barrier from a distance or he apeared and disappeared so fast that no one noticed

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you may deny this if i say he FTGed himself + both hiruzen & tobirama simultaneously at 3 different locations
but u can't deny the fact that sakura had no idea where did they suddenly go(see yellow)
that means either he teleported tobirama, hiruzen & himself at 3 different locations simultaneously or he did it one by one so fast that normal eyes can't see what happened


another thing u need to know he absolutely knew what they have to do next - { } and he had 3 ftg marking (kunai) ready at convenient locations . (in the face of the haters who kept denying the simple logic that 'being a hokage one would know more than just ftg and rasengan)

when he appeared before naruto ( ) he already had done it all including the following -




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and what do you know he had that kunai placed so far away (just think about his wicked shunshin speed)

repeating again
before he appeared in front of naruto he did place 1 kunai at a far distance to teleport TBB
and 3 kunai's at 3 different locations surrounding Juubi
and he used S/T barrier all by himself to send the biggest TBB ever by either throwing a kunai at TBB or he just apeared before tbb and used S/T barrier, but he did so fast no one could see him

after the other hokages appeared he teleported 3 different people (including himself) at 3 different location either simultaneously or he did it one by one so fast that normal eye can't even see

other thing he can use something like formation of 4 son seal which only hokage's can do

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it's undeniable now
evidence that minato is a bawss is overwhelming :scorps:

[/SPOILER]

Show me a scan of a volcano that you have seen in naruto, not too mention how will he even get the kunai to reach the volcano? Does minato even have knowledge on where a volcano is? You say the opponent can still see itachi coming yet Bee was totally amazed and dumbfounded by itachi hovering above them.
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Note that when obito appeared behind minato and about to warp him and minato manages to get away, obito clearly saids ''Next time ill warp you the moment i lay my hand on you'' which indicates minato simply got lucky in that situation none the less its still a honorable feat of minato.[/B

Minato getting out of obitos chain is hardly a feat, he used ftg so of course he could slip out of it..

the majority of your post was mainly about minatos speed and reflexes...

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Look at the distance between nagato and itachi and bee and naruto, itachi shusin speed blitz bee.

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itachis senses and reflexes are top notch here against bee and naruto

look at how easy itachi evades killer bees 8 sword technique and manages to get to nagato bird summoning?
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look at how easily and effortlessly itachi evades both the combined efforts of bee and KCM naruto and heads straight back to the same spot where nagato is? and notice bee is still turned backwards from the sword attacked he launched at itachi. Itachi is a speed demon.

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DB hypes up sasukes speed to be godlike, itachi out classes sasuke in speed..
 

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.... omg so many thread about this... i even made one thread about this ^^ No minato cannot be catch in a genjutsu, why? yea because Jiraya was Minato's trainer. He taughted him how to avoid genjutsus + We don't know if Minato have sage mode.. if he has. Itachi loses

he can possibly counter regular genjutsu but there's no way he can break Tsukuyomi
 

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Show me a scan of a volcano that you have seen in naruto, not too mention how will he even get the kunai to reach the volcano? Does minato even have knowledge on where a volcano is? You say the opponent can still see itachi coming yet Bee was totally amazed and dumbfounded by itachi hovering above them.
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Note that when obito appeared behind minato and about to warp him and minato manages to get away, obito clearly saids ''Next time ill warp you the moment i lay my hand on you'' which indicates minato simply got lucky in that situation none the less its still a honorable feat of minato.[/B

Minato getting out of obitos chain is hardly a feat, he used ftg so of course he could slip out of it..

the majority of your post was mainly about minatos speed and reflexes...

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Look at the distance between nagato and itachi and bee and naruto, itachi shusin speed blitz bee.

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itachis senses and reflexes are top notch here against bee and naruto

look at how easy itachi evades killer bees 8 sword technique and manages to get to nagato bird summoning?
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look at how easily and effortlessly itachi evades both the combined efforts of bee and KCM naruto and heads straight back to the same spot where nagato is? and notice bee is still turned backwards from the sword attacked he launched at itachi. Itachi is a speed demon.

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DB hypes up sasukes speed to be godlike, itachi out classes sasuke in speed..

1- He never blitzed Bee. Don't know if you even know what means "blitzing someone"

2- Once again there are levels in speed. You may be the number 1 in your class, but when you go to another classroom, you become the last. It's exactly the same for Sasuke or Itachi. He is fast for common ninjas, not for people like Raikage, Naruto or Minato, who will look him like a snail.

Itachi couldn't even distance Sasuke despite the fact that on his own admission, he had no time to waste(so was going at full speed to catch-up to Kabuto). That same Sasuke was distanced by the Hokages, who themselves were distanced by Minato so badly that the guy even got the time to prepare all the markings around something as large as the Juubi(something that even baffled Tobirama and Hiruzen) without no one on the battlefield even noticing his presence. Again at that same time, he has time to go to a random rock middle ocean to put another marking, come back and redirect Juubi's Bijuudama, with the fodders still starring at the Bijuudama, yet still not noting Minato's presence when he finally appeared infront of Sakura and Naruto to chat:

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What is funny is that Tobirama and Hiruzen were already amazed by Minato's quick reaction feat and speed when they didn't even see the above bolded part happen. I think they would have caught a heart attack if they knew, especially Tobirama XD

Another funny thing is that even up until now, those fodders never knew Minato was the one who stopped the attack and thought it was the Hokages together who did the job somehow.

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For them it was just some sort of miracle that happened when they saw the Bijuudama disappear

So almost everything Minato does is invisible for common eyes, they can't even notice who/when/what happened

Itachi is fast, but he is nowhere near that level of speed and has never displayed something even close to Minato's speed feats/reaction. Like i've said, he can't even distance Sasuke. When he will do one thing, Minato would already be 3 or 4steps ahead
 
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This is pointless minato beats itachi all day everyday. He owned ms obito yet can't beat itachi how does that work?
 

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Minato main power comes from his speed and ability to ftg to his seals. Well itachi is extremely fast himself as he was able to keep up with buji mode naruto and bee. So itachi speeds cancels out minato speed

Fanboyism at its finest.
 

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People need to realise that, no amount of back and forth debate is going to end this discussion or any other vs thread, because at the end of the end, if it isn't in the manga it will always be an opinion based argument and that never ends.

I will however contribute to something as i feel people underrate Itachi.
No i need to rephrase that, itachi is one of the most overrated but people underrate him when it comes to his skill and prowess outside of genjutsu and i am hearing people say his best bet is genjutsu, which is ridiculous.

Firstly he has a
5 for ninjutsu
4.5 for taijutsu
5 For hand speed.

What does these stats mean?.
Well this scan should give you a rough idea of what the statistics mean [ ]

Or this [ ]

Sometimes i feel like speed is overrated in this manga.
Speed is good, but people make it out to be the most vital element which distinguishes the best from the very best and its a shame that, those at the very top (Hashirama & Ems madara), though have great speed are not known as speedsters and yet the manga has put both of them above tobirama (everybody else), somebody whom it seems was a speedster. Likewise nobody will see people like Ai or Gai are at the very top, because they are not.

What i am trying to say is that many ninja's who are perhaps slower have still be put on a higher tier than their speedster counterparts. Now people seem to forget that minato isn't obito. He isn't randomly teleporting behind you or above you, outside the range of his tags, he will have to resort to his shunshin and while minato is fast, isn't fast enough to trouble high tier shinobi's and itachi at that.

Anyway the only thing in this chapter that made sense was that it was confirmed that minato needs to tag a place in order to redirect an attack. Something i have said for god knows how long and people actually argued saying he can redirect your shit, just like that.

Anyway Ai showed us something important. Ai gave us a glimpse into a possible strategy to overcome hiraishin.


Now, Ai hasn't been portrayed as the most intelligent of characters and in his first bow was able to come up with a strategy. Yes, the strategy wasn't a good one, but it wasn't a bad one aswell. That strategy failed because Bee interrupted their duel and was marked. If that had not happened minato would have teleported to one of his kunai's as Ai anticipated. Bee interrupting is what caused Ai's strategy to fail, though it was most likely that it would have regardless.

Now i am not using Ai's strategy but rather showing you that, if somebody of ai's intellect can come up with a makeshift strategy this quick and i suppose in their first duel, itachi would come up with something better. He has been portrayed to be one of those character's whom if asked which ninja would make life difficult for minato's hiraishin, itachi will be at the very front.

From famous stance of a ninja's weaknesses/ weaknesses of techniques [ , , ].

His deduction skills, which as kabuto put it makes it feel like he has a true doujutsu which can read souls and use this in a battle [ ]

To his shurikejutsu, skills which is light years above minato's.

One of the fastest ninjutsu executioner in the series, which has allowed 2 sharingan users to marvel at his speed and cause kurenai in the viz translations to call him super human, true story and till this day, people do not know that this itachi was the bunshin that later exploded [ ]. Yes he created that bunshin before his fracas with kakashi.

  • So you have somebody who at the minimum intellect rivals minato (do not want to argue about who is greater, its subjective).
  • Has the sharingan, but also the ability to read souls as kabuto it
  • Light years ahead of minato with kunai's/shurikens
  • Fastest handspeed in the series to launch 3 attacks in one move

Those 4 attributes will allow itachi to test hiraishin, outside of genjutsu.

Not getting into this, but rather answering those who believe it will depend on a genjutsu to prevail, something that isn't right
 

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People need to realise that, no amount of back and forth debate is going to end this discussion or any other vs thread, because at the end of the end, if it isn't in the manga it will always be an opinion based argument and that never ends.

I will however contribute to something as i feel people underrate Itachi.
No i need to rephrase that, itachi is one of the most overrated but people underrate him when it comes to his skill and prowess outside of genjutsu and i am hearing people say his best bet is genjutsu, which is ridiculous.

Firstly he has a
5 for ninjutsu
4.5 for taijutsu
5 For hand speed.

What does these stats mean?.
Well this scan should give you a rough idea of what the statistics mean [ ]

Or this [ ]

Sometimes i feel like speed is overrated in this manga.
Speed is good, but people make it out to be the most vital element which distinguishes the best from the very best and its a shame that, those at the very top (Hashirama & Ems madara), though have great speed are not known as speedsters and yet the manga has put both of them above tobirama (everybody else), somebody whom it seems was a speedster. Likewise nobody will see people like Ai or Gai are at the very top, because they are not.

What i am trying to say is that many ninja's who are perhaps slower have still be put on a higher tier than their speedster counterparts. Now people seem to forget that minato isn't obito. He isn't randomly teleporting behind you or above you, outside the range of his tags, he will have to resort to his shunshin and while minato is fast, isn't fast enough to trouble high tier shinobi's and itachi at that.

Anyway the only thing in this chapter that made sense was that it was confirmed that minato needs to tag a place in order to redirect an attack. Something i have said for god knows how long and people actually argued saying he can redirect your shit, just like that.

Anyway Ai showed us something important. Ai gave us a glimpse into a possible strategy to overcome hiraishin.


Now, Ai hasn't been portrayed as the most intelligent of characters and in his first bow was able to come up with a strategy. Yes, the strategy wasn't a good one, but it wasn't a bad one aswell. That strategy failed because Bee interrupted their duel and was marked. If that had not happened minato would have teleported to one of his kunai's as Ai anticipated. Bee interrupting is what caused Ai's strategy to fail, though it was most likely that it would have regardless.

Now i am not using Ai's strategy but rather showing you that, if somebody of ai's intellect can come up with a makeshift strategy this quick and i suppose in their first duel, itachi would come up with something better. He has been portrayed to be one of those character's whom if asked which ninja would make life difficult for minato's hiraishin, itachi will be at the very front.

From famous stance of a ninja's weaknesses/ weaknesses of techniques [ , , ].

His deduction skills, which as kabuto put it makes it feel like he has a true doujutsu which can read souls and use this in a battle [ ]

To his shurikejutsu, skills which is light years above minato's.

One of the fastest ninjutsu executioner in the series, which has allowed 2 sharingan users to marvel at his speed and cause kurenai in the viz translations to call him super human, true story and till this day, people do not know that this itachi was the bunshin that later exploded [ ]. Yes he created that bunshin before his fracas with kakashi.

  • So you have somebody who at the minimum intellect rivals minato (do not want to argue about who is greater, its subjective).
  • Has the sharingan, but also the ability to read souls as kabuto it
  • Light years ahead of minato with kunai's/shurikens
  • Fastest handspeed in the series to launch 3 attacks in one move

Those 4 attributes will allow itachi to test hiraishin, outside of genjutsu.

Not getting into this, but rather answering those who believe it will depend on a genjutsu to prevail, something that isn't right

Just wanting to say that Itachi has the fastest handseal execution in the series, not the fastest handspeed. The title of fastest handspeed rightfully belongs to Might Guy, followed by Neji Hyuuga.
 

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Just wanting to say that Itachi has the fastest handseal execution in the series, not the fastest handspeed. The title of fastest handspeed rightfully belongs to Might Guy, followed by Neji Hyuuga.

Perhaps, but you see in order to hold the fastest hand seal execution your handspeed much be pretty up there.
Though i get what you are saying

EDIT: interesting how you couldn't care less about the argument, just your boys.
I like that lol
 
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People need to realise that, no amount of back and forth debate is going to end this discussion or any other vs thread, because at the end of the end, if it isn't in the manga it will always be an opinion based argument and that never ends.

I will however contribute to something as i feel people underrate Itachi.
No i need to rephrase that, itachi is one of the most overrated but people underrate him when it comes to his skill and prowess outside of genjutsu and i am hearing people say his best bet is genjutsu, which is ridiculous.

Firstly he has a
5 for ninjutsu
4.5 for taijutsu
5 For hand speed.

What does these stats mean?.
Well this scan should give you a rough idea of what the statistics mean [ ]

Or this [ ]

Sometimes i feel like speed is overrated in this manga.
Speed is good, but people make it out to be the most vital element which distinguishes the best from the very best and its a shame that, those at the very top (Hashirama & Ems madara), though have great speed are not known as speedsters and yet the manga has put both of them above tobirama (everybody else), somebody whom it seems was a speedster. Likewise nobody will see people like Ai or Gai are at the very top, because they are not.

What i am trying to say is that many ninja's who are perhaps slower have still be put on a higher tier than their speedster counterparts. Now people seem to forget that minato isn't obito. He isn't randomly teleporting behind you or above you, outside the range of his tags, he will have to resort to his shunshin and while minato is fast, isn't fast enough to trouble high tier shinobi's and itachi at that.

Anyway the only thing in this chapter that made sense was that it was confirmed that minato needs to tag a place in order to redirect an attack. Something i have said for god knows how long and people actually argued saying he can redirect your shit, just like that.

Anyway Ai showed us something important. Ai gave us a glimpse into a possible strategy to overcome hiraishin.


Now, Ai hasn't been portrayed as the most intelligent of characters and in his first bow was able to come up with a strategy. Yes, the strategy wasn't a good one, but it wasn't a bad one aswell. That strategy failed because Bee interrupted their duel and was marked. If that had not happened minato would have teleported to one of his kunai's as Ai anticipated. Bee interrupting is what caused Ai's strategy to fail, though it was most likely that it would have regardless.

Now i am not using Ai's strategy but rather showing you that, if somebody of ai's intellect can come up with a makeshift strategy this quick and i suppose in their first duel, itachi would come up with something better. He has been portrayed to be one of those character's whom if asked which ninja would make life difficult for minato's hiraishin, itachi will be at the very front.

From famous stance of a ninja's weaknesses/ weaknesses of techniques [ , , ].

His deduction skills, which as kabuto put it makes it feel like he has a true doujutsu which can read souls and use this in a battle [ ]

To his shurikejutsu, skills which is light years above minato's.

One of the fastest ninjutsu executioner in the series, which has allowed 2 sharingan users to marvel at his speed and cause kurenai in the viz translations to call him super human, true story and till this day, people do not know that this itachi was the bunshin that later exploded [ ]. Yes he created that bunshin before his fracas with kakashi.

  • So you have somebody who at the minimum intellect rivals minato (do not want to argue about who is greater, its subjective).
  • Has the sharingan, but also the ability to read souls as kabuto it
  • Light years ahead of minato with kunai's/shurikens
  • Fastest handspeed in the series to launch 3 attacks in one move

Those 4 attributes will allow itachi to test hiraishin, outside of genjutsu.

Not getting into this, but rather answering those who believe it will depend on a genjutsu to prevail, something that isn't right

I don't want to jump into any sort of debate but your post is biased. There are many things to which I could post rebuttals but I won't.

However I'd like to focus on the bold part. Where the hell did you get that? Really? Even after its shown that Minato packs very high level skill of Both Kunai and Shuriken perhaps the best in manga.

His entire Taijutsu and S/T barrier depends on his Kunai. No one uses Kunai more than him or even at his level. Granted Nobody other than him posses the FTG Kunai which .

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You Added what Kabuto said about Itachi others will add Jiraya, Hiruzen, Ay, Kakashi or even Itachi said about Minato.

Current Manga is gonna add more feats and people are label that as Edo Tensei...sigh. Itachi is a great Shinobi maybe above some Hokages, he maybe is better than Minato in some aspects but when it comes down to a 1v1 or as a overall complete ninja or as a leader Itachi is behind Minato.
 

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He can't even beat a Naruto KM clone, let alone Minato
 

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Perhaps, but you see in order to hold the fastest hand seal execution your handspeed much be pretty up there.
Though i get what you are saying

EDIT: interesting how you couldn't care less about the argument, just your boys.
I like that lol

DATS RIGHT! MA BOYS ARE TOTES BA :scorps:

lol yea ive never really been interested in the convo. Im just being really nitpicky right now. :p
 
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I don't want to jump into any sort of debate but your post is biased. There are many things to which I could post rebuttals but I won't.

However I'd like to focus on the bold part. Where the hell did you get that? Really? Even after its shown that Minato packs very high level skill of Both Kunai and Shuriken perhaps the best in manga.

His entire Taijutsu and S/T barrier depends on his Kunai. No one uses Kunai more than him or even at his level. Granted Nobody other than him posses the FTG Kunai which .

[ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ]

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You Added what Kabuto said about Itachi others will add Jiraya, Hiruzen, Ay, Kakashi or even Itachi said about Minato.

Current Manga is gonna add more feats and people are label that as Edo Tensei...sigh. Itachi is a great Shinobi maybe above some Hokages, he maybe is better than Minato in some aspects but when it comes down to a 1v1 or as a overall complete ninja or as a leader Itachi is behind Minato.
I wanted to post a similar thing(but not greatly detailed as yours) when i saw that in his post. Seems that you read in my mind XD

You spared me time to search for links to explain this. I always find it laughable people who think Itachi is that better in shuriken skills than Minato. I don't know where they get that idea from. Maybe it's because we see Itachi more often? Concerning who is better than who in this skill, i don't know but the gap isn't great to have a great importance in the fight. In terms of speed/capacity to react though like i've said, Minato is quite steps ahead Itachi and it's the main reason i believe Itachi would be overwhelmed
 

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I don't want to jump into any sort of debate but your post is biased. There are many things to which I could post rebuttals but I won't.

However I'd like to focus on the bold part. Where the hell did you get that? Really? Even after its shown that Minato packs very high level skill of Both Kunai and Shuriken perhaps the best in manga.

His entire Taijutsu and S/T barrier depends on his Kunai. No one uses Kunai more than him or even at his level. Granted Nobody other than him posses the FTG Kunai which .

[ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ]

You must be registered for see images

You Added what Kabuto said about Itachi others will add Jiraya, Hiruzen, Ay, Kakashi or even Itachi said about Minato.

Current Manga is gonna add more feats and people are label that as Edo Tensei...sigh. Itachi is a great Shinobi maybe above some Hokages, he maybe is better than Minato in some aspects but when it comes down to a 1v1 or as a overall complete ninja or as a leader Itachi is behind Minato.

Please you didn;t have to do this.
Ill repeat and even bold it out for you. Itachi's shurikenjutsu feats is light years above minato's.
All the feats you showed me are iether subpar kunai feats, like the ability to intercept kunai's something that genin level can do. True story look at ino and sakura [ ]. The others are konoha fodder's trowing the kunai;s at the enemy.

After i have showed you a few cans, tell me whether minato's kunai/shiruken feats and hype suffices against itachi's.

[ , ].

he should us that, he was able to hit a kunai to change course in order to hit the target

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He even managed to hit the blind spot behind the rock [ ]

Also tags his kunai's with explosive tags [ ].

Sasuke acknowledges itachi's shuriken skills to be better than his dad,s the uchiha leader [ ]

He was supposed to teach sasuke a new shuriken skill [ ].

Blocked the shared vision, which comprised of the lizard summoning and the king of hell with mere kunai's
[ ,

For kabuto to say "He is just too damn good" [ ].

There are other minor feats like infusing katon with his kunai's in Hosenka Tsumabeni [ ]. And implement the use of crows with his shuriken's [ , ]

Or aiming straight in the middle of the uchiha crest without his eye sight [ ].
Did the same thing to sasuke without looking [ ].

Or again without looking to naruto [ ]

Light years?. Obviously.
Anyway kishi has created a scenario where it would be difficult to take out the influence of km, because apart from the standard edo advantages that every edo ninja has gained he has gained something extra
 
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