i have read through this thread until now and u never said anything about Edos not being ninja... which is stupid tbh they are still ninja whether they are being used or not... also the EDOs on the battlefeild right now are not being used but have there own freewill
My bad you are right I glanced over it and thought it was naruto.
But the thing I said about Edos I didn't mean I posted on this thread I meant I posted it on other threads before.
But a minato kcm changes everything especially if he has even a lil control over it.
I do not know if you're blind or what...buddy minato is there on the upper right hand corner....hahahaha...fix your eye already...you have been affected by tsukuyomi....
My bad you are right I glanced over it and thought it was naruto.
But the thing I said about Edos I didn't mean I posted on this thread I meant I posted it on other threads before.
But a minato kcm changes everything especially if he has even a lil control over it.
I do agree with this post. I did say the most like scenario would be itachi die from no chakra but my point if everything that makes minato legendary meaning his speed and ftg can be countered by itachi. Itachi has the reflexs alone with the sharigan to counter his speed and like I said before minato mainly used ftg with kunai and itachi could easily deflect them.
this is not a scenario .. u have just said that is all minato would do when we know this is not the case...
a scenario is determing the distance
the area
the condition of both fighters
weather
Knowledge
Set up time
ect... its things like these that might determin different outcomes
Also FTG is instant.. and minato's reactions are the best in the manga sharingan or not itachi would not easily react to this ... also u have yet to counter my points on my first post...
actually no minato would beat itachi seeing how you know itachi was just a kid when minato was alive<--see how stupid vs matchies are this fight can never happen so who are you to say minato cant use kcm just because he never had through his life span but the fact is minato can use kcm
and we are talking about a vs match that couldnt happen so you take what the character can do as a whole and use that also edo tensei does not give minato the ability to use kcm
say nagato brought minato back he would still be able to go kcm
this is not a scenario .. u have just said that is all minato would do when we know this is not the case...
a scenario is determing the distance
the area
the condition of both fighters
weather
Knowledge
Set up time
ect... its things like these that might determin different outcomes
Also FTG is instant.. and minato's reactions are the best in the manga sharingan or not itachi would not easily react to this ... also u have yet to counter my points on my first post...
Itachi is quick.. i will agree with this but he is not as quick as minato and FTG can be used in various ways... not just by the use of kunai...
Minato has summonings to help aswell and since he is contracted with the frogs he can technically summon ma and pa and they can then perform the frog song which is one of the best genjutsu's
Minato is a close quarters fighter and so he would naturally be better at hand to hand combat and going in close to minato u are basically saying u are willing to die...
Itachi's genjutsu.. as u said this is dangerous however with minato moving as fast as he is he does not need to look into his eyes... remember kakashi managed to avoid eye contact with itachi the second time and gai managed to right from the beginning..
Minato has seals that could also possibly be lethal however we know little of these atm so i wont say much about them apart from that they have the potential to be incredibly lethal
Space/Time barrier Anything of great scale coming at minato he can always redirect it with the use of 2 kunai like he has done against the juubi using 1 kunai to choose the location and the other to warp the tech this essentially allows minato to use this tech in fast paced combat..
Minato with RDS can always end things in a stalemate like u said so it doesnt matter... thinking about it minato can never actually 'lose'
i could have gone on more but i couldnt be that bothered but the point is minato is a lot harder to deal with than u think and that is just with what we know currently.... there is a lot more to minato than we know such as his sealing techs and his nature affinity
Itachi will always lose because all of his genjutsu's require him to build up chakra by either making a handseal, or closing his eye's for a second.any any case itachi doesn't have a second against minato,so in either 1 of those 2 scenario's, itachi get's rushed and pressured due to not having time to do anything,or just straight up beheaded.
Itachi will always lose because all of his genjutsu's require him to build up chakra by either making a handseal, or closing his eye's for a second.any any case itachi doesn't have a second against minato,so in either 1 of those 2 scenario's, itachi get's rushed and pressured due to not having time to do anything,or just straight up beheaded.
maybe not but we will never know this is why i keep an open mind of what could happen .. i think minato can beat itachi but saying minato ALWAYS beats itachi is pure fanboyism
maybe not but we will never know this is why i keep an open mind of what could happen .. i think minato can beat itachi but saying minato ALWAYS beats itachi is pure fanboyism
The wanking of minato is too strong, not too mention he has only shown the use of KCM in edo state form, a living well minato may not be able to use it. Even if he was able to itachi can still hold his own even if a living minato had KCM.
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Edo itachi is holding his own against bee and KCM naruto with the pure use of taijutsu and doesnt get a single hit nor scratch on him, his edo state doesnt enhance nor give itachi an advantage in that confrontation with bee and naruto. Itachi was already shown in the manga to Defeat 3 elite uchiha users with there sharigan activated with pure taijutsu
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So i dont understand why people think minato with kCM has a huge lead on itachi, not too mention itachi's evasive skill in combat shown with bee and KCM naruto when they fought, itachi hardly gets touched.
I admit foot speed wise minato probably has a advantage over itachi regarding that area even so, itachi has been shown to take advantage of his surroundings and literally defeat 2 naruto clones without the use of even looking or turning around.
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If itachi and minato did fight, minato with his kcm would be sure to try to use surprise attacks with his speed against itachi, but as i clearly shown itachi makes use of his surroundings and doesnt fall easily to surprise attacks as shown as he one shotted 2 naruto clones from behind him without even looking which means he wont fall easily to surprise attacks.
Also regarding the spreading the Minatos FTG kunais
I dont see why itachi can't block them or repel with his own kunai or shuriken, since he has shown to be a expert in using kunai and shuriken and he never misses his target.
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During the fight between naruto and bee and nagato we see nagato's summons get hit from kunai and shurikens right on the spot to reduce their vision, who threw these kunais and shurikens? none the less it was Itachi with his fantastic expertise in shurikens. So the spreading of ftg shurikens from minato can get countered by itachi's kunai's and shurikens.
Itachi expertise in the art of kunai and shuriken are backed up by kabuto himself
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^^^ as stated by kabuto his shurikens were even able to reach the blind spot of nagato summons, so like i said minato spreading his ftg shuriken is hardly a threat here..
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Stopping rasegan?
This hardly holds any value considering this is a pre part 1 sasuke but we all recell itachi stopping a full power chidori with one hand?
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Now i know you cant compare a part 1 sasuke and minato but i honestly wouldnt be surprised if itachi can pull something off like this with minato with some extreme circumstances this feat back in part 1 shows itachi's display in close combat.
KCM minato or the use of ftg blitzing itachi? come on now.. I honestly find this ridiculous.
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We witness sasuke defeating 1000 shinobi with the use of his sharigan back in the early part of shippuden and he did not kill 1 single person, now when he was taking on 1000 shinobi there is no doubt he had to be careful of potentially sneak attacks or getting rushed or blitz from behind did he not? Now if sasuke was able to do that just imagine what itachi could had done with all those potential risk factors? My point is i highly doubt itachi the true successor of the sharigan will get speed blitz or what not by 1 man.
Lets discuss itachi's crow clones
Its a known fact that itachi's specializes in clones, but what type? Itachi has something called Great clone explosion technique where he basically makes a clones that can explode on his command as shown against asuma and kurenai and kakashi in part 1
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Note that kakashi had trouble keeping up with itachi's jutsu speed and kurenai herself praised itachi for his jutsu handseal speed. Now i know the next page kakashi is able to counter but still the hype holds.
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More credit to itachi's handseal speed
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As you can see during sasukes and itachis shuriken battle itach is still able to make a shadow clone during that whole mess and sasuke is astonished and praises him for that, now regarding minato it will be hard for him to land a hit on itachi because is so quick with the use of his clones, Minato will have to watch out for itachis great clone explosion technique because if he gets too close to it it can be all over for him as shown with asuma and kurenai and kakashi
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Myths regarding Minato
I find it funny when people say minato will know not to look in the eyes of a sharigan users.
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When minato was facing obito, minato made a quick assumption that he maybe madara uchiha, minato had to know madara was a weilder of a sharigan right? But yet during the whole confrontation he continued to make eye to eye facial contact with obito?
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Please dont get me started on jiraiya, another myth is that since minato was jiraiyas student he will know not to look into the eyes of a uchiha/sharigan wielder.
Thats quite funny considering jiraiya was making full eye contact with itachi in that hallway back in part 1 and jiraiya knew itachi had a sharigan
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^^^ you'd think a man like Jman would know not to make eye contact with a uchiha especially someone like itachi?
This is not a VS thread between them im not just trying to show people that even with minato having kcm in his edo state form ( we dont know for sure he could even use it even a living form) itachi still holds a threat to him and minato having KCM hardly changes anything,
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Honestly i feel minato or itachi can win in a 1 one 1 fight but people are always saying minato is a hokage and what not, the fact that orochimaru which is basically hokage level admitted to being inferior itachi so what should this say about itachi's overall strength?
i could have gone on more but i couldnt be that bothered but the point is minato is a lot harder to deal with than u think and that is just with what we know currently.... there is a lot more to minato than we know such as his sealing techs and his nature affinity
Ok you have a lot of good points especially about his summonings I didn't take those into consideration but I'm still sticking to my belief that itachi could counter minato speed to his reflexes and sharigan and that minato would lose if he looked itachi eyes because I don't see a non uchiha breaking out but you have convince me that minato > itachi. I say minato wins 7 out of 10 times.
Itachi can't keep up with Minato's speed, so he could be killed anytime. Someone incapable to distance Sasuke in speed when going all out, someone incapable to take advantage in taijutsu against a 3,5 in taijutsu like Naruto who wasn't even trying couldn't keep up with Minato who blitzed even the strongest characters like Hashirama and great shunshin users like Tobirama so badly that he even gets the time to put kunais around something as large as Juubi, go to a nearby rock in middle ocean to implant another one, come back to warp Juubi's bijuudama there, appear next to Sakura and Naruto, chat for a while, all that before they finally came. And we talk about Hokages who themselves managed to distance that same Sasuke, Itachi was incapable to distance despite not wanting him to follow him.
Minato can warp huge chakra made attacks like the Juubi's Bijuudama(strongest attack we've seen so far), so it's not Itachi's small Susanoo he would even have struggle to warp. With a nearby kunai near a volcano(like the one he placed in middle ocean) where Itachi would be redirected, it's GG
Only scenario where Itachi win is if he smh catches Minato in tsukuyomi, which against someone as fast to react as Minato is almost impossible. Reason why the ratio for me would always be the same. Minato wins 9times over 10
Ok you have a lot of good points especially about his summonings I didn't take those into consideration but I'm still sticking to my belief that itachi could counter minato speed to his reflexes and sharigan and that minato would lose if he looked itachi eyes because I don't see a non uchiha breaking out but you have convince me that minato > itachi. I say minato wins 7 out of 10 times.
atleast u can admit defeat unlike others and i have already said that saying minato wins EVERY time is just pure fanboyism.. there are many factors u have to take into account... genjutsu like i said is a problem just others have already pointed out that contract seal helps this sitations.. i wont say much mroe about it since i like both characters
Itachi can't keep up with Minato's speed, so he could be killed anytime. Someone incapable to distance Sasuke in speed when going all out, someone incapable to take advantage in taijutsu against a 3,5 in taijutsu like Naruto who wasn't even trying couldn't keep up with Minato who blitzed even the strongest characters like Hashirama and great shunshin users like Tobirama so badly that he even gets the time to put kunais around something as large as Juubi, go to a nearby rock in middle ocean to implant another one, come back to warp Juubi's bijuudama there, appear next to Sakura and Naruto, chat for a while, all that before they finally came. And we talk about Hokages who themselves managed to distance that same Sasuke, Itachi was incapable to distance despite not wanting him to follow him.
Minato can warp huge chakra made attacks like the Juubi's Bijuudama(strongest attack we've seen so far), so it's not Itachi's small Susanoo he would even have struggle to warp. With a nearby kunai near a volcano(like the one he placed in middle ocean) where Itachi would be redirected, it's GG
Only scenario where Itachi win is if he smh catches Minato in tsukuyomi, which against someone as fast to react as Minato is almost impossible. Reason why the ratio for me would always be the same. Minato wins 9times over 10
really a volcano? I wouldn't be surprised if the totsuka blade can cut through the space barrier that minato can produce. Speed alone doesnt determine this considering the fact that itachi has been shown to be aware of his surroundings and avoid attacks without even looking. Also your ignoring the use of itachi's shadow crow clones which he uses alot in battle which prevents him form being touched, he can easily make a clone in mere seconds with his fast hand seals.
Itachi will always lose because all of his genjutsu's require him to build up chakra by either making a handseal, or closing his eye's for a second.any any case itachi doesn't have a second against minato,so in either 1 of those 2 scenario's, itachi get's rushed and pressured due to not having time to do anything,or just straight up beheaded.
