Itachi and Kisame vs Gokage (read conditions)

[Inert Brian]

Back story: Naruto has defeated Pain, and Akatsuki is grief stricken with their leader gone, Tobi comes out of the wood work and tells Itachi and Kisame that the Kage plan to meet at the Kage summit. Itachi and Kisame decide to go. While Zetsu fights the Samurai, and Tobi fights the Kage's bodyguards and Mifune, Itachi and Kisame are ordered to fight the 5 kage. Tsunade did not go in to a coma, and is at the summit instead of Danzo. (Shizune and Sakura replaced Fuu and Torune but they're irrelevant here because they have nothing to do with this fight).

Location: Sasuke vs Raikage

Distance: Sasuke vs Raikage

Intel:

Traitorous duo:
-Full intel on Tsunade except for Mitotic regeneration
-Intel on Raikage is that he's the fastest Ninja
-Full intel on Mei
-Intel on Oonoki is that he can fly, and use Earth techniques
-Full intel on Gaara

Gokage:
-Tsukuyomi & Amaterasu
-Kisame is the "tailess tailed beast"
-Itachi is a genjutsu dominant fighter
-Kisame a water jutsu prodigy (no specific intel on techniques like 1000 sharks or GSB)

Conditions/Restrictions:
Itachi: Yata defends against Jinton. Tsukuyomi can only be used on one person at a time. This is the Itachi that fought Hebi Sasuke. Susano'o and Yata mirror can protect Kisame. Starts with 3T.

Kisame: Tobi specifically ordered that killing the Gokage is prioritized over Itachi's safety. He'll use destructive water attacks if forced to that point. Because of the surrounding snow, he can obtain more water. Starts in base.

Oonoki: Cannot fly outside of Amaterasu's range. Can use Jinton as long as he avoids hitting his team - that means no large scale Jinton attacks.

Tsunade: Cannot use Katsuyu. Starts in base.

Mei: Cannot use acid mist. Can only use Lava style if her team mates aren't in the way.

Ay: He starts in base. Distance allows Kisame and Itachi to make the first move, so no speed blitzing.

Gaara: Cannot pull Itachi out of Susano'o due to having no sand at his feet. If he tries to use the sealing pyramid on Itachi, then Totsuka blade can break it. Kisame's water can absorb his sand making it much slower.

 

[Beans2]

Itachi and Kisame win high difficulty.

 

[LustyLover]

The Traitorous Duo win mid-high diff.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Back story: Naruto has defeated Pain, and Akatsuki is grief stricken with their leader gone, Tobi comes out of the wood work and tells Itachi and Kisame that the Kage plan to meet at the Kage summit. Itachi and Kisame decide to go. While Zetsu fights the Samurai, and Tobi fights the Kage's bodyguards and Mifune, Itachi and Kisame are ordered to fight the 5 kage. Tsunade did not go in to a coma, and is at the summit instead of Danzo. (Shizune and Sakura replaced Fuu and Torune but they're irrelevant here because they have nothing to do with this fight).

Location: Sasuke vs Raikage

Distance: Sasuke vs Raikage

Intel:

Traitorous duo:
-Full intel on Tsunade except for Mitotic regeneration
-Intel on Raikage is that he's the fastest Ninja
-Full intel on Mei
-Intel on Oonoki is that he can fly, and use Earth techniques
-Full intel on Gaara

Gokage:
-Tsukuyomi & Amaterasu
-Kisame is the "tailess tailed beast"
-Itachi is a genjutsu dominant fighter
-Kisame a water jutsu prodigy (no specific intel on techniques like 1000 sharks or GSB)

Conditions/Restrictions:
Itachi: Yata defends against Jinton. Tsukuyomi can only be used on one person at a time. This is the Itachi that fought Hebi Sasuke. Susano'o and Yata mirror can protect Kisame. Starts with 3T.

Kisame: Tobi specifically ordered that killing the Gokage is prioritized over Itachi's safety. He'll use destructive water attacks if forced to that point. Because of the surrounding snow, he can obtain more water. Starts in base.

Oonoki: Cannot fly outside of Amaterasu's range. Can use Jinton as long as he avoids hitting his team - that means no large scale Jinton attacks.

Tsunade: Cannot use Katsuyu. Starts in base.

Mei: Cannot use acid mist. Can only use Lava style if her team mates aren't in the way.

Ay: He starts in base. Distance allows Kisame and Itachi to make the first move, so no speed blitzing.

Gaara: Cannot pull Itachi out of Susano'o due to having no sand at his feet. If he tries to use the sealing pyramid on Itachi, then Totsuka blade can break it. Kisame's water can absorb his sand making it much slower.

So this match has been engineered so that Itachi and Kisame have a chance. As the Gokage have all been nerfed heavily.
For instance, Large Jinton didn't hurt his team before but is currently restricted. Yata Mirror can now block Jinton. Kisame has access to a water source. Mei, has one of her kenkei genkkei restricted. A extremely useful part of Gaara's arsenal for battling susanoo has been restricted. Katsuyu has been restricted. And Ay isn't allowed to Blitz.

And for Team one's restrictions, Tsukuyomi can only be used one person at a time anyway. It's too demanding for Itachi to use it on multiple people at once. Nothing's been done about Amaterasu. Which is itself hax. And Kisame can take out Itachi.
This match is so incredibly biased I have no interest in it.

 

[LustyLover]

So this match has been engineered so that Itachi and Kisame have a chance. As the Gokage have all been nerfed heavily.
For instance, Large Jinton didn't hurt his team before but is currently restricted. Yata Mirror can now block Jinton. Kisame has access to a water source. Mei, has one of her kenkei genkkei restricted. A extremely useful part of Gaara's arsenal for battling susanoo has been restricted. Katsuyu has been restricted. And Ay isn't allowed to Blitz.

And for Team one's restrictions, Tsukuyomi can only be used one person at a time anyway. It's too demanding for Itachi to use it on multiple people at once. Nothing's been done about Amaterasu. Which is itself hax. And Kisame can take out Itachi.
This match is so incredibly biased I have no interest in it.

He never restricted Ay's speed. He said he merely starts in base, just like how Itachi starts with 3T instead of MS.
He still gave Tsunade Mitotic, her most important technique.
The YM should be able to block Jinton always.
Kisame always has water, whether it's in the middle of the ocean or the desert.
Gaara wouldn't be able to pull him out of his Susano'o either way, seeing as they're not fighting in a desert.
Acid mist seemed to only work against Sasuke's ribcage; we have no clue whether or not it'll work against Itachi's complete one. There aren't as many restrictions as you think. This is also a diseased Itachi, immediately giving team one a colossal disadvantage.

 

[Inert Brian]

So this match has been engineered so that Itachi and Kisame have a chance. As the Gokage have all been nerfed heavily.
For instance, Large Jinton didn't hurt his team before but is currently restricted. Yata Mirror can now block Jinton. Kisame has access to a water source. Mei, has one of her kenkei genkkei restricted. A extremely useful part of Gaara's arsenal for battling susanoo has been restricted. Katsuyu has been restricted. And Ay isn't allowed to Blitz.

And for Team one's restrictions, Tsukuyomi can only be used one person at a time anyway. It's too demanding for Itachi to use it on multiple people at once. Nothing's been done about Amaterasu. Which is itself hax. And Kisame can take out Itachi.
This match is so incredibly biased I have no interest in it.

Databook already stated Yata mirror changes its properties to block any attack. I made that point to prevent any jinton-yata debates. + I made this part 2 Itachi, he can only maintain Susano'o for so long.

Kisame was already fighting Killer Bee in the snow, and he won that fight with med-high difficulty. Ay and Killer Bee are equal tiered ninjas.

Ay was capable of dodging Amaterasu. Gaara was capable of blocking it with his sand. Oonoki has earth walls that can stop it. + I gave them intel on Amaterasu.

Large scaled Jinton kills them all. They're fighting in a freaking building lol, they also have their allies fighting tobi and zetsu, the whole building would just collapse on them.

Mei had to stop acid mist while fighting MS Sasuke because it would've leaked in to the summit room. Her Kekkei genkai is killing her team mates lol. That doesn't mean she can't use hidden mist or Lava style?

Oh but sorry guys i'm a biased peace of shit and it is not worthy of Tazzilla to post on such a thread

 

[Inert Brian]

He never restricted Ay's speed. He said he merely starts in base, just like how Itachi starts with 3T instead of MS.
He still gave Tsunade Mitotic, her most important technique.
The YM should be able to block Jinton always.
Kisame always has water, whether it's in the middle of the ocean or the desert.
Gaara wouldn't be able to pull him out of his Susano'o either way, seeing as they're not fighting in a desert.
Acid mist seemed to only work against Sasuke's ribcage; we have no clue whether or not it'll work against Itachi's complete one. There aren't as many restrictions as you think. This is also a diseased Itachi, immediately giving team one a colossal disadvantage.

THANK YOUUU someone that understands this is Part 2 Itachi, + I gave them intel on Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi.

 

[LustyLover]

Databook already stated Yata mirror changes its properties to block any attack. I made that point to prevent any jinton-yata debates. + I made this part 2 Itachi, he can only maintain Susano'o for so long.

Kisame was already fighting Killer Bee in the snow, and he won that fight with med-high difficulty. Ay and Killer Bee are equal tiered ninjas.

Ay was capable of dodging Amaterasu. Gaara was capable of blocking it with his sand. Oonoki has earth walls that can stop it. + I gave them intel on Amaterasu.

Large scaled Jinton kills them all. They're fighting in a freaking building lol, they also have their allies fighting tobi and zetsu, the whole building would just collapse on them.

Mei had to stop acid mist while fighting MS Sasuke because it would've leaked in to the summit room. Her Kekkei genkai is killing her team mates lol. That doesn't mean she can't use hidden mist or Lava style?

Oh but sorry guys i'm a biased peace of shit and it is not worthy of Tazzilla to post on such a thread

^Love people who jump to assumptions. Tazzila, read before you type a response lol...

 

[Inert Brian]

^Love people who jump to assumptions. Tazzila, read before you type a response lol...

The only thing that I think I even remotely did to give Itachi and Kisame an advantage was the location being at the Kage summit.

But even then I already had intel given on everything Itachi has except Susano'o.

Hell I even made it so Kisame wouldn't use any techniques that could harm Itachi, unless they were pushed in to a corner.

 

[RicardoA]

The Gokages teamwork is too good.
Gaara protects everyone from amaterasu, genjutsu (Tsukuyomi included) is useless for obvious reasons.
The Traitorous Duo will constantly be on their toes. The question is: how long will Itachi last behind his Yata Mirror? Kisame's water dome isn't an option here giving the fact that it hinder Itachi more than help him, that's another disadvantage.
As soon as Itachi's body gives up its basically free shark meat for everyone T-T

 

[Inert Brian]

The Gokages teamwork is too good.
Gaara protects everyone from amaterasu, genjutsu (Tsukuyomi included) is useless for obvious reasons.
The Traitorous Duo will constantly be on their toes. The question is: how long will Itachi last behind his Yata Mirror? Kisame's water dome isn't an option here giving the fact that it hinder Itachi more than help him, that's another disadvantage.
As soon as Itachi's body gives up its basically free shark meat for everyone T-T

In the conditions I posted that Tobi discretely told Kisame that killing the Gokage is #1 priority over Itachi's safety. So if the traitorous duo are pushed in to a corner, then he'll say fk Itachi. Considering Kisame will do anything to complete the mission.

I agree with your Itachi counters though. Rep.

 

[RicardoA]

In the conditions I posted that Tobi discretely told Kisame that killing the Gokage is #1 priority over Itachi's safety. So if the traitorous duo are pushed in to a corner, then he'll say fk Itachi. Considering Kisame will do anything to complete the mission.

I agree with your Itachi counters though. Rep.

I knew i had read the conditions right, but then i saw this...

Hell I even made it so Kisame wouldn't use any techniques that could harm Itachi, unless they were pushed in to a corner.

... and misunderstood. My bad.
That will help the Gokage more than the duo though o>o

 

[Inert Brian]

I knew i had read the conditions right, but then i saw this...

... and misunderstood. My bad.
That will help the Gokage more than the duo though o>o

It would help the gokage no doubt, my goal with the conditions was really to try to suppress as much out of character OP technique sniping. Hence how I removed, Jinton/speed/waterpool blitzes. The only possible blitz here really is Amaterasu, but I already stated they have intel on it.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Databook already stated Yata mirror changes its properties to block any attack. I made that point to prevent any jinton-yata debates. + I made this part 2 Itachi, he can only maintain Susano'o for so long.

Kisame was already fighting Killer Bee in the snow, and he won that fight with med-high difficulty. Ay and Killer Bee are equal tiered ninjas.

Ay was capable of dodging Amaterasu. Gaara was capable of blocking it with his sand. Oonoki has earth walls that can stop it. + I gave them intel on Amaterasu.

Large scaled Jinton kills them all. They're fighting in a freaking building lol, they also have their allies fighting tobi and zetsu, the whole building would just collapse on them.

Mei had to stop acid mist while fighting MS Sasuke because it would've leaked in to the summit room. Her Kekkei genkai is killing her team mates lol. That doesn't mean she can't use hidden mist or Lava style?

Oh but sorry guys i'm a biased peace of shit and it is not worthy of Tazzilla to post on such a thread

To respond to your condescending post. He can only susanoo for so long is point if as soon as his disease gets the best of him, Kisame uses Water Dome. But before that happens Itachi's Tsukuyomi could have taken out Ay, and could have taken out Oonoki with Amaterasu. After that he still has susanoo to fall back in in addition to the usage of his katons. Which he will probably be using to keep Mei busy.

A fight starting in a building hardly means anything when you have strength like Tsunade's and Susanoo's able to take out floors at a whim. What may have started as a fight in a building will without a doubt lead outside, or you are nerfing Tsunade again, but not allowing her to use her monster strength indirectly. Mei's Youton has never been particularly fast. But more than that as I just made the best stategy the Gokage would have is bringing down the building on them. and Leaving Kisame dead and Itachi in susanoo.
Further Kisame is a sensor so how useful would Hidden Mist be?

He never restricted Ay's speed. He said he merely starts in base, just like how Itachi starts with 3T instead of MS.
He still gave Tsunade Mitotic, her most important technique.
The YM should be able to block Jinton always.
Kisame always has water, whether it's in the middle of the ocean or the desert.
Gaara wouldn't be able to pull him out of his Susano'o either way, seeing as they're not fighting in a desert.
Acid mist seemed to only work against Sasuke's ribcage; we have no clue whether or not it'll work against Itachi's complete one. There aren't as many restrictions as you think. This is also a diseased Itachi, immediately giving team one a colossal disadvantage.

Allow me to correct you my dear
What he stated was that Ay could not start that battle with a speed blitz. Which is Ay's particular fighting style.
Mitotic Regen is not Tsunade's most important ability. She is a medic before all else. And in a battle such as this her being able to serve as a medic whilst still having some form attacking without breaking her first three rules, would seem to serve in her favor best.
The Yata Mirror Hype is and also has been bullshit its a no limit fallacy. That'd be the equivalent of saying that it would also stop Night Guy, and Omymoudon. Hype in this case holds no ground.
Um....Correct me if I'm wrong, is Gaara capable of creating deserts?
Acid mist clearly has applications beyond burning susanoo. But the more immediate fact is this. Mei is not left with 4 jutsus in her arsenal. Diseased Itachi means quite little as Oonoki would never be able to respond to Amaterasu fast enough to get a rock golem in place. His only option would be flying to avoid it. The speed of Amaterasu demands it. Nor has Gaara's sand shown the speed to intercept Amaterasu only Enton. In order to avoid it Ay, would be looking in Itachi's eyes and get hit with Tsukuyomi.
There are just as many restrictions as I think. Because of the Location, and the OP not wanting them to be able to break through or topple the building here is what is restricted on the Gokage
Oonoki: All Ranged Jinton, Ability to stay out of opponents range via flying
Mei: Boil Release, Water Style Water Dragon Jutsu.
Tsunade: Monster Strength (aside from direct hits on the physical body, she can't even hit Susanoo because it would send it flying like Madaras), Katsuyu
Gaara: Filling the room with sand. Flying out of range of attacks.
Only Ay has all of his abilities in tact.

 

[LuckyMan]

l0l he restricted all of the Gokage but boosted the Akatsuki. Obviously biased thread.

 

[Inert Brian]

To respond to your condescending post. He can only susanoo for so long is point if as soon as his disease gets the best of him, Kisame uses Water Dome. But before that happens Itachi's Tsukuyomi could have taken out Ay, and could have taken out Oonoki with Amaterasu. After that he still has susanoo to fall back in in addition to the usage of his katons. Which he will probably be using to keep Mei busy.

A fight starting in a building hardly means anything when you have strength like Tsunade's and Susanoo's able to take out floors at a whim. What may have started as a fight in a building will without a doubt lead outside, or you are nerfing Tsunade again, but not allowing her to use her monster strength indirectly. Mei's Youton has never been particularly fast. But more than that as I just made the best stategy the Gokage would have is bringing down the building on them. and Leaving Kisame dead and Itachi in susanoo.
Further Kisame is a sensor so how useful would Hidden Mist be?

Allow me to correct you my dear
What he stated was that Ay could not start that battle with a speed blitz. Which is Ay's particular fighting style.
Mitotic Regen is not Tsunade's most important ability. She is a medic before all else. And in a battle such as this her being able to serve as a medic whilst still having some form attacking without breaking her first three rules, would seem to serve in her favor best.
The Yata Mirror Hype is and also has been bullshit its a no limit fallacy. That'd be the equivalent of saying that it would also stop Night Guy, and Omymoudon. Hype in this case holds no ground.
Um....Correct me if I'm wrong, is Gaara capable of creating deserts?
Acid mist clearly has applications beyond burning susanoo. But the more immediate fact is this. Mei is not left with 4 jutsus in her arsenal. Diseased Itachi means quite little as Oonoki would never be able to respond to Amaterasu fast enough to get a rock golem in place. His only option would be flying to avoid it. The speed of Amaterasu demands it. Nor has Gaara's sand shown the speed to intercept Amaterasu only Enton. In order to avoid it Ay, would be looking in Itachi's eyes and get hit with Tsukuyomi.
There are just as many restrictions as I think. Because of the Location, and the OP not wanting them to be able to break through or topple the building here is what is restricted on the Gokage
Oonoki: All Ranged Jinton, Ability to stay out of opponents range via flying
Mei: Boil Release, Water Style Water Dragon Jutsu.
Tsunade: Monster Strength (aside from direct hits on the physical body, she can't even hit Susanoo because it would send it flying like Madaras), Katsuyu
Gaara: Filling the room with sand. Flying out of range of attacks.
Only Ay has all of his abilities in tact.

You said you weren't going to waste time because of my bias, do you expect me not to condescend? Anyway, nevermind that, that's old news.

To respond to your condescending post. He can only susanoo for so long is point if as soon as his disease gets the best of him, Kisame uses Water Dome

Itachi doesn't have to be holding up Susano'o 24/7.

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. He would only have to pull out Yata to counter Oonoki. Look mate, I understand Yata being able to stop anything is far fetched as hell. But the databooks and the manga have both directly stated Yata mirror changes its properties to counter any attack. Until the manga proves that Yata is not as good as it is, or has a weakness, the power of it stands firm. You can't argue any way around it. The burden of proof is on you to prove Yata can't stop Jinton, which there is no proof.

When did I say I nerfed Tsunade's strength? Yea Itachi's Susano'o could destroy the ceiling like Sasuke did, but you have to remember Susano'o is a last resort technique Itachi uses. + Itachi's stamina as we all know is shit, so he's wise not to pull it out either for long periods of time. Also Kisame is dying from the ceiling collapsing? I already mentioned Itachi can use Susano'o to protect Kisame as well, not just that but Kisame could shield himself with water prison like he did to protect himself from Gai when he committed suicide.

Agreed that Mei's lava style doesn't have the speed to catch them. But Mei's lava could work to trap them, Madara had to pull out Susano'o in an area covered in lava. Kisame would ultimately counter the lava anyway, I feel Mei is somewhat of a non factor here, just like against Madara. Although I don't remember Kisame having the ability to sense, what sensing feat did he show?

Now to address your reply to holyeyes (so kind for doing this for him, but I suppose he can reply as well).

-Ay could still start the match with a speed blitz, it's just that I gave Itachi and Kisame the first move having him start in base. Ay quickly went V2 and charged Madara with Mei. I did this for the sake of preventing any idiotic "Ay speed blitzes and wins" posts.

-In this fight I agree that Mitotic isn't particularly significant, since Itachi has a 1 shot arsenal. Mitotic is good against Yasakas, and Kisame's sharks. But yes, Tsunade is probably going to heal the kages as they fight.

-Already stated what I did on Yata, and as I said burden of proof is on you.

-Gaara is capable of taking sand and using it to break minerals in the ground to create more sand. Idk how he's going to be able to effectively create sand storms when the minerals are completely frozen + he has to get through frozen layers of rock.

-The bleeding eye signals Amaterasu coming. I already gave Mei hidden mist so, Amaterasu can't work if Itachi can't see them. If Itachi even uses Amaterasu, then Ay could easily blitz him like he did to MS Sasuke. Yea Itachi may hit one of the kages in the process and kill them, but like I said Ay is there to save the day and counter.

-I suppose Gaara couldn't move the sand fast enough to block Amaterasu, but at the same time the bleeding eye signals it is coming.

-I agree the kages were restricted more, but I didn't give Itachi and Kisame turning point advantages. The kages still have moves that make them just as lethal. (Jinton draining Itachi's stamina, Hidden mist counter Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi, Ay being able to dodge amaterasu and get behind Itachi like he did to MS Sasuke while Itachi suffers Amaterasu blacklash).