Itachi and kisame could have taken out the leaf leaf village

[i am not logic]

lets face it if it was itachi's will he and kisame could have destroyed it all

the leafs main people

kakashi
asuma
Gai
Jiraya


Kakashi gets easly killed as kisame said itachi could have removing him
gai only looking at feet gets hit by ama something he cant avoid unless in gates and as seen he does not go right into useing gates

Jiraya has the same fate if he trys to use the same move he used, insted of useing ama to escape he uses it on jirayas face.....

Kisame easly beats asuma with a water shart bomb and he floods the villige and with his grate stamina takes out the filler jonin/ anbu / chunin

summery- itachi takes out the stronger wile kisame dominates the filler

itachi could also use sasunoo to help kisame with the mass's after he finish of the stronger leaf ninja ​

 

[Exaar]

lets face it if it was itachi's will he and kisame could have destroyed it all

the leafs main people

kakashi
asuma
Gai
Jiraya


Kakashi gets easly killed as kisame said itachi could have removing him
gai only looking at feet gets hit by ama something he cant avoid unless in gates and as seen he does not go right into useing gates

Jiraya has the same fate if he trys to use the same move he used, insted of useing ama to escape he uses it on jirayas face.....

Kisame easly beats asuma with a water shart bomb and he floods the villige and with his grate stamina takes out the filler jonin/ anbu / chunin

summery- itachi takes out the stronger wile kisame dominates the filler

itachi could also use sasunoo to help kisame with the mass's after he finish of the stronger leaf ninja ​

Kisame already Stated that Jiraiya is out of his league.

Itachi already stated that if he fought Jiraiya, both Him and Jiraiya would end up killing each other or one would end up very badly hurt.

Not saying Jiraiya Solo's (because he doesn't), But Gai/kakashi/Jiraiya/Asuma > Itachi and kisame.

Add the leaf shinobi army.... They get stomped, Hard.

 

[i am not logic]

Kisame already Stated that Jiraiya is out of his league.

Itachi already stated that if he fought Jiraiya, both Him and Jiraiya would end up killing each other or one would end up very badly hurt.

Not saying Jiraiya Solo's (because he doesn't), But Gai/kakashi/Jiraiya/Asuma > Itachi and kisame.

Add the leaf shinobi army.... They get stomped, Hard.

kisame is not fighting jiraya

bs and we all know it, itachi was looking at jiraya is point blank range if he did ama it was over and he would have won the battle.

already explained kisame fights mass's itachi beats the stronger ones one at a time, keep in mind sneek attack not everyone will be ready to fight at one time

nope water waves + 10,000 sharks = they win​

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['Nāpalm]

Says the guy with itachi sig

 

[i am not logic]

post something that matters or leave my tread

 

[jiraiya lives]

I wounder why do you have guy fighting itachi instead of kisame? oh I got it, it's because guy already raped kisame
and no they cant take out the leaf, itachi would of died from ms overuse,
kisame gets killed by guy or jaraiya, and you also forgot about danzo

 

[Sovereign]

It's possible Itachi could burn down the village with Amaterasu, but he and Kisame are not winning against the entirety of Konoha in a face to face fight when Gai can defeat Kisame by himself. Let's be serious. Kakashi, Gai, Asuma, Jiraiya, and everyone else in the village will slaughter the Akatsuki duo.

 

[Lilt]

It's possible Itachi could burn down the village with Amaterasu, but he and Kisame are not winning against the entirety of Konoha in a face to face fight when Gai can defeat Kisame by himself. Let's be serious. Kakashi, Gai, Asuma, Jiraiya, and everyone else in the village will slaughter the Akatsuki duo.

Asuma and Kakashi (in part one) are hardly even worth considering in the face of Kisame and Itachi true justu power, which would only become deadlier with their teamwork. Itachi would have nigh limitless chakra due to Samehada transferrence and use his waterdrills from any angle, not just below the feet. If he can maintain his Susano'o with its items with all the stamina that Samehada grants him while Kisame and himself fire off their techniques, they could definitely thrash most of the village. Danzō is the key to their defeat, however. Yet this is assuming that Itachi, being so intelligent, would be foolish enough to go head to head with the village instead of using his genjutsu power to take control of powerful ninja from range and destroy the village from within itself, as Kabuto intended to use Itachi for in the great war.

 

[Sovereign]

Asuma and Kakashi (in part one) are hardly even worth considering in the face of Kisame and Itachi true justu power, which would only become deadlier with their teamwork.

Well, I assume the OP means this is a Part II fight seeing that he referenced jutsu that Kisame and Itachi only displayed in Part II. So Asuma and Kakashi's Part I standings are irrelevant here.

Itachi would have nigh limitless chakra due to Samehada transferrence and use his waterdrills from any angle, not just below the feet.

Kisame can't just keep swapping Samehada between himself and Itachi during a fight. And there's no evidence that Suiton: Suigadan can be used "from all angles" when we've only ever seen it appear from the feat. Not to mention it's kind of pointless for Itachi to spam Suiton when his partner can do that for him on a much greater scale.

If he can maintain his Susano'o with its items with all the stamina that Samehada grants him while Kisame and himself fire off their techniques, they could definitely thrash most of the village.

You're looking at this simplistically. The issue here isn't their stamina, it's the fact that they are completely out numbered. There's just no way they are trashing Sage Mode Jiraiya (it will be very easy for him to hide somewhere and achieve Sage Mode), Gated Gai, Danzō (who can't die for ten minutes and can take control of one of them with Kotoamatsukami), Asuma, Tsunade (who can heal the entire village), etc. And this is without taking everyone else into account.

Danzō is the key to their defeat, however. Yet this is assuming that Itachi, being so intelligent, would be foolish enough to go head to head with the village instead of using his genjutsu power to take control of powerful ninja from range and destroy the village from within itself, as Kabuto intended to use Itachi for in the great war.

I agree that subtlety is the best course of action for these two. But that's easier said than done of course.

 

[Lilt]

Well, I assume the OP means this is a Part II fight seeing that he referenced jutsu that Kisame and Itachi only displayed in Part II. So Asuma and Kakashi's Part I standings are irrelevant here.

I assumed he was referring to the period when Itachi and Kisame were in the Leaf village.

Kisame can't just keep swapping Samehada between himself and Itachi during a fight.

Samehada is clone-able as seen in Kisame versus Team Gai.

And there's no evidence that Suiton: Suigadan can be used "from all angles" when we've only ever seen it appear from the feat. Not to mention it's kind of pointless for Itachi to spam Suiton when his partner can do that for him on a much greater scale.

If the opponent is submerged in water, then the drills can come from any angle. And scale is not the far and away most important factor. Speed and precision are equally valuable, and in that sense, Suigaiden is absolute.

You're looking at this simplistically. The issue here isn't their stamina, it's the fact that they are completely out numbered. There's just no way they are trashing Sage Mode Jiraiya (it will be very easy for him to hide somewhere and achieve Sage Mode), Gated Gai, Danzō (who can't die for ten minutes and can take control of one of them with Kotoamatsukami), Asuma, Tsunade (who can heal the entire village), etc. And this is without taking everyone else into account.

This is not a straight brawl, but a constantly relocating assault on the village. We have seen how Konoha mobilizes against six Pain bodies and Konan. If Itachi and Kisame use clones and genjutsu control, they won't be facing all these ninja at once, but in intervals, as Pain did.

 

[Sovereign]

I assumed he was referring to the period when Itachi and Kisame were in the Leaf village.

I did too at first, but he started mentioning feats that Kisame only performed in Part II. But even if this is a Part I fight, it was implied that Itachi and Kisame would've been

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if back-up arrived, and they were only facing three Jōnin levels.

Samehada is clone-able as seen in Kisame versus Team Gai.

Indeed, but that was only possible because of Nagato's special technique: Shōten no Jutsu. Samehada is a living sword, so cloning it is not going to be that simple. Furthermore, being forced to carry around Samehada would only hinder Itachi. Though Itachi has shown some skill with the blade, Kenjutsu is not part of his normal fighting style.

If the opponent is submerged in water, then the drills can come from any angle.

True, but this is an unlikely scenario. Why would Itachi be fighting underwater in the first place? That will only hinder him. Kisame is not going to intentionally drown his partner.

And scale is not the far and away most important factor. Speed and precision are equally valuable, and in that sense, Suigaiden is absolute.

Normally you'd be correct, but not in this scenario. The goal here is to cause massive damage to the village structure as a whole, and that isn't going to be accomplished by wasting chakra on one-on-one battles (Tsukuyomi). Here, the ability to inflict damage on multiple opponents / structures at once is key, and this will be accomplished by relying on area-of-effect moves (Suiton: Dai Bakusui Shōha), and techniques that are large and cover a lot of ground (Susanō).

This is not a straight brawl, but a constantly relocating assault on the village. We have seen how Konoha mobilizes against six Pain bodies and Konan. If Itachi and Kisame use clones and genjutsu control, they won't be facing all these ninja at once, but in intervals, as Pain did.

That's true, but I don't think we should assume Itachi and Kisame are going to be back-to-back the entire time, because their styles don't really compliment each other. When Itachi and Kisame infiltrated Konoha in Part I, this wasn't a problem because Kisame was barred from going

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. While Itachi is nearby, Kisame can't make use of his Water Dome for example. That's why they will probably split up.

And facing them in intervals benefits Konoha, because they would be able to slowly wear down the duo to the point when their "big guns" make an appearance (Sage Jiraiya and Danzō), Itachi and Kisame won't be able to handle them. That's where the importance of numbers comes into play. Konoha can afford to lose as many soldiers as it takes in order to get the job done, while Itachi and Kisame can't. It's just the two of them.

 

[Lilt]

Yes, but we don't know if the "big guns" would be able to stop them, or in Danzō's case, even challenge them due to his political agenda. And aside from Gai, who defeated only a Samehada-less Kisame, presents any sort of moderate challenge for their best jutsu outside of Danzō and Jiraiya (who may not even be in the village at the time.)

 

[Sovereign]

Yes, but we don't know if the "big guns" would be able to stop them, or in Danzō's case, even challenge them due to his political agenda. And aside from Gai, who defeated only a Samehada-less Kisame, presents any sort of moderate challenge for their best jutsu outside of Danzō and Jiraiya (who may not even be in the village at the time.)

I agree that a case can be made for Danzō sitting this one out, so I won't press the matter.

However, Jiraiya is still fair game because he was specifically mentioned in the OP, and I've no doubts that Sage Jiraiya would be able to stop these guys with assistance. Like I said previously, it's very likely they'd be a bit worn down by the time Jiraiya enters the fray. Frog Song ends them at that point. Itachi has shown that he's

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to Tayuya's sound based Genjutsu in his fight against Kabuto, and naturally Frog Song would be on an entirely different level than Mateki: Mugen Onsa.

About Gai: people always bring up the fact that Gai defeated a sword-less Kisame, but how exactly would've Samehada benefited Kisame against a Gated Gai? Gai is just the perfect counter to Kisame because he doesn't rely on Ninjutsu. Samehada didn't do anything for Kisame against a Sixth Gated Gai, and it won't help him against a Seventh Gated Gai either.

 

[VangBro95]

Gai and Jiraiya takes on Kisame and then Kakashi and everyone else takes on Itachi.

 

[genii96]

Kakashi,Guy and jiraiya are enough.