Itachi and Jiraiya > Madara and Hashirama

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Itachi and Jiraiya were believed to be close in strength. 2 opposites yet perfect for each other, like Madara and Hashirama.

How were they surpassed? Kishi made it clear that Itachi surpassed his predecessor throughout the manga. His susanoo was absolute. His jutsu were superior. Madara used ordinary ordinary fire style. Itachi used Amaterasu and his Amaterasu at full power was far more potent than Sasuke's as it could burn through anything as long as Itachi kept his sight on the target. Itachi possessed Kotoamtsukami along with his already powerful genjutsu and could be casted in large areas from himself (air or ground) thanks to him transplanting it in his crows eye. His base susanoo may have been far weaker than Madaras, but his weapons were absolute, something Susanoo is far from. He could light the tip of his Totsuka with Amaterasu, use earth style in conjunction with the totsuka to create a pit of black lava, much stronger than regular lava. He could the fire yasaka magatama and wind style jutsu into the pit to create an enormous explosion. If battling a large group of shinobi, he could easily use genjutsu to trick them into running into the pit, feeding the pit even further. Madara using PS means nothing with a flying Kotoamtsukami gg.

Jiraiya was older than Hashirama with 2 strong toad sages. A sage with a wide range of jutsu in conjunction with hundred year old Sages with a vast amount of their own jutsu from Mount Myoboku while using sage mode -_-.. Jiraiya could also say in sage mode much longer.
 
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If this is un revived Madara maybe.

As for Hashirama:|. gg Jaraiya.
 

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Itachi > Madara
Itachi > Hashirama

Jiraya < Madara
Jiraya < Hashirama :/

If Susanoo is made out of the user's chakra than it can be absorbed, regardless if the tools are equipped on it.
 

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Totsuka destroys all and can't be destroyed.. liquid from a sacred weapon -_-

But I'm not talking about destroying Totsuka Blade, I'm talking about absorbing Susanoo itself.
 

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How will it absorb susanoo if Itachi can destroy it with 1 swipe of his totsuka -_- too fast.

A bit of exaggeration, but that is if Madara was in front of Itachi or within Itachi's line of sight.
 

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An Itachi clone is enough to take them down, Jiraiya is overkill and it will be a circus.
 

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Only if itachi uses KA on hashi, otherwise his flower world negs
 

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Only if itachi uses KA on hashi, otherwise his flower world negs

Itachi use KA and the command is "protect Konoha". Sure Hashirama would do his best to protect Konoha by Killing Itachi. You se that:sdo:
 

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Wow, you are actually good troll. o.o
OT: Obviously, disagree.
 

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Itachi > Hashirama > Madara > Jiraiya

Edit: No, Jiraiya is worlds apart from Itachi
 
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Itachi and Jiraiya were believed to be close in strength. 2 opposites yet perfect for each other, like Madara and Hashirama.

How were they surpassed? Kishi made it clear that Itachi surpassed his predecessor throughout the manga. His susanoo was absolute. His jutsu were superior. Madara used ordinary ordinary fire style. Itachi used Amaterasu and his Amaterasu at full power was far more potent than Sasuke's as it could burn through anything as long as Itachi kept his sight on the target. Itachi possessed Kotoamtsukami along with his already powerful genjutsu and could be casted in large areas from himself (air or ground) thanks to him transplanting it in his crows eye. His base susanoo may have been far weaker than Madaras, but his weapons were absolute, something Susanoo is far from. He could light the tip of his Totsuka with Amaterasu, use earth style in conjunction with the totsuka to create a pit of black lava, much stronger than regular lava. He could the fire yasaka magatama and wind style jutsu into the pit to create an enormous explosion. If battling a large group of shinobi, he could easily use genjutsu to trick them into running into the pit, feeding the pit even further. Madara using PS means nothing with a flying Kotoamtsukami gg.

Jiraiya was older than Hashirama with 2 strong toad sages. A sage with a wide range of jutsu in conjunction with hundred year old Sages with a vast amount of their own jutsu from Mount Myoboku while using sage mode -_-.. Jiraiya could also say in sage mode much longer.

Wait, when did Itachi use Earth style?
 

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Base Hashirama spanks them while fending off EMS Madara at the same time.
 
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