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Itachi vs. Jiraiya

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The Page of Infamy​
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This page has been used as "proof" that Iachi is inferior to Jiraiya since it's release. Itachi states that the gap between himself and Jiraiya is so large that he can't defeat him on his own and that even with backup the outcome would not change. Obviously a false statement from the moment Itachi and the Akatsuki began receiving panel time in Part two. Jiraiya can't take on multiple Akatsuki and hope to win at all let alone Itachi and Kisame. That leaves two possible reasons as to why he would say something like that.

To protect Jiraiya​
Keep in mind that it is in Itachi's best interests to keep Jiraiya safe. Why?

> The 3rd Hokage had just been murdered by Orochimaru. The village was a shadow of it's former self.
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Without the Third Hokage to keep the village safe from Orochimaru and other eneimes the job would have to fall to one of the other two Sannin.

> Jiraiya's name alone protects the nine-tails from those who would take it, even the Akatsuki.

> He's a pacifist and doesn't want to unnecessarily harm anyone let alone another Leaf Shinobi.

Complete Retcon​
Kishimoto's plans in terms of Itachi's power have obvious changes from part one to part two. His stamina and chakra capacity is greatly increased despite the fact that he should have weakened in Shippuden not grown stronger. When Kishi drew the scan, it's possible that he did mean it, but Part two simply does not agree with it.

Why did he run?
I don't intend to go to heavily into this. It goes without saying at this point he didn't want to harm Jiraiya. What I will address is the point that comes up so often, "If he didn't want to harm Jiraiya because he was a pacifist/Leaf Shinobi than why did he use Tsukuyomi on Kakashi?"

> Using Tsukuyomi on Kakashi actually protected him. It put him down and made him no longer a target of Kisame.
> It wasn't possible to make an excuse to run away at the time, but Tsukuyomi was a quick option to keep Kakashi safe anyway because he had teammates to back him up and keep Kisame away. The same could not be said for Jiraiya which is why Itachi despite having multiple opportunities to take him out, did not.
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He was instead forced to make an excuse and "run away"

It's in Itachi's favor

Jiraiya had no intel on Itachi's abilities. [
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On the other hand, Itachi - a member of Akatsuki, of which Orochimaru, Jiraiya's former teammate, and Pain-Nagato, Jiraiya's former student were also part - probably had full intel on Jiraiya. This is also suggested by Itachi saying that even Jiraiya has weaknesses.
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Genjutsu: Itachi one-shot Orochimaru, another sannin with a genjutsu. [
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] Naruto, who also has huge chakra reserves and was trained by Jiraiya himself to break genjutsu, couldn't escape a fake Itachi's finger genjutsu! [
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> No Jiraiya is not breaking Itachi's genjutsu. Jiraiya would have to first notice it in order to break it, a feat he simply isn't capable of. Simple 3T or finger Genjutsu + Shunshin end the fight right from the start.

Jiraiya needs SM to have a chance of victory.
Jiraiya's arsenal without Sage Mode:

*Note that all of the following jutsu's are only possibilities if Jiraiya has full intel or Itachi is restricted.(no genjutsu, no Amaterasu)

1) Toad summons: They are perfect targets for Amaterasu

2) Fire style: Itachi can counter it with his water style , superb fire jutsus or Amaterasu

3) Earth style: [
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] Jiraiya can use this jutsu to immobilize Susanoo. However, even then Itachi can use Amaterasu or Fire jutsu's to harden the jutsu and break free with Susano'o.

4) Rasengan: Incredibly useless against Itachi. Jiraiya has to hit Itachi, but considering that the sharingan can read movements and Itachi can make a clone as a diversion, Itachi won't get hit. In worst case, he can use Susanoo as shield.

5) Shadow Manipulation: [
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] Jiraiya would need a victim to use this technique. He could only use it against Konan because he was sneaking in Amegakure. Also, as sharingan can see chakra, it wouldn't fool Itachi.

6) Shadow Clones: Jiraiya can use a clone as a diversion, creating an opening, however, in an open area, where Itachi can see him make a clone, it's not gonna fool Itachi. It's more likely that Itachi will make a clone without Jiraiya even taking note.

7) Wild Lion's Mane Jutsu: [
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] Jiraiya could grab Susanoo, or Itachi, but it would leave him an easy target for Amaterasu.

Conclusion: Itachi can counter Jiraiya's base arsenal, so J-man needs Sage Mode to defeat Itachi.

Sage Mode:​

1) Disadvantages:

It takes several minutes to enter, and Jiraiya can't use handsigns until then. [
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] J-man can only win if he starts with SM activated.

2) Advantages:

3) "Immunity" to genjutsu: An average genjutsu won't work on Jiraiya, thanks to Ma and Pa.(Assuming they've been summoned.)

4) Countering Amaterasu: I don't think that sensing, and the enhanced reflexes and speed given to Jiraiya by SM is enough to counter Amaterasu, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

3) Itachi's counter to SM:

1) Hair Needles:
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: Jiraiya's fastest attack covering a wide range, is easily countered by a shield: Susanoo.

2) Senpou Goemon:
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: Yata Mirror chuckles.

3) frog genjutsu: Takes several minutes to activate [
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] So it wouldn't work in a setting where Jiraiya can't hide.

4) Izanagi: Without intel of this, Jiraiya will lose. He let his guard down when he thought he had defeated Pain. This mistake cost him his arm. [
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Conclusion: Jiraiya can only win with full intel, and needs Sage Mode. -Which was not the case when he met Itachi and Kisame.
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Really well made thread. This should be obvious though, however its good you made it since some people actually still thought that fodder had a chance of taking out Itachi.
 
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Nice thread. Clear and unbiased. Agreed 100%.

JMan could win in Sage Mode and with intel, but he won't make it to Sage Mode. Although, depending on the location it might be possible by retreating and hiding like he did against Pain in the pipes.
 
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I once debated this matchup a while back and agree that Itachi wins with mid-high difficulty.

Introduction
Before this debate starts, I would like to inform all of you that Itachi was loyal to Konoha so the apparent weaknesses in his fights against Konoha shinobi should be taken with a grain of salt since he was not trying to kill any shinobi from Konoha and hence was "going easy" against them. For example, Itachi decided to put Kakashi out of commission via Tsukiyomi. This doesn't prove that Itachi was forced to use Tsukuyomi to beat Kakashi but that it would be the quickest way of finishing him off without killing him. There are many other misconceptions related to Itachi's prowess as a shinobi which are downplayed by many just because of his own intentions, restricting his capabilities.

Hand Seal Speed
Itachi throws shuriken at Kakashi, forcing him to erect a wall of water (
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). This is another example of how fast Itachi can weave hand seals and have his clones escape the line of sight of his opponents even though they are elite 3 tomoe sharingan users. Even DSM Kabuto, whose speed, sensory abilities and reflexes were enhanced by senjutsu didn't notice that Itachi managed to create a Karasu bunshin (
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Itachi's usage of clones
Itachi can make clones explode and while the radius of the explosion is easy to dodge for anyone who knows (
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) that his clones can explode, without knowledge, they can be used to launch a surprise attack like what would have happened to Kurenai (
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, he is very likely to attack a clone which Itachi can create in a moment's notice (
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) thus dealing damage to Jiraiya, distracting him and blinding him, allowing the real Itachi to get behind Jiraiya and finish him off via amaterasu or
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by
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. Itachi could opt to use a crow clone instead (
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), will disperse into a flock of crows (
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) which will converge together thus recreating the crow clone and catching Jiraiya offguard like it did to Hebi Sasuke. Itachi's Karasu bunshin did the same thing when up against DSM Kabuto. It got stabbed by Kabuto (
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), turned to crows (
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), then reformed again (
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) allowing Itachi to quickly cut off Kabuto's horn and retreat before Kabuto could react/counterattack. Jiraiya may have some low level sensory abilities granted by imperfect sage mode but it isn't enough to effectively counter Itachi's feints in a small moment's notice considering he got
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while still in sage mode and with Ma and Pa on his shoulders. Ma and Pa may be perfect sages with better sensory abilities than Jiraiya himself but even they may not be able to warn Jiraiya in time of various dangers that can spring up at a moment's notice. This is especially true considering they failed to do just that when Asura path sneaked up on Jiraiya. Furthermore, they tend to
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even in important fights against multiple opponents with the Rinnegan eyes.

Jiraiya's usage of clones
Jiraiya is also capable of bunshin feints but his utilization of clones isn't going to be as effective as Itachi's. This is primarily because Itachi's sharingan allows him to track hand seals so he will know when Jiraiya is using a shadow clone. Furthermore,
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and if Jiraiya decides to use clones with less chakra than his own body, Itachi will know which is the clone and which is the real one. If Jiraiya decides to split the chakra between himself and his clone(s) evenly, he'll end up wasting a large amount of chakra like Kakashi did (
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. Jiraiya may have a huge reservoir of chakra but splitting it in half will waste a large amount of chakra even if he has a lot because the amount of chakra he loses by halving it will be greater than someone with lower amount of chakra. He won't be able to use sage mode properly and potentially turn into a toad if he wastes chakra on KBs. By manga feats, in sage mode, Jiraiya only used one KB towards the end of the fight as a decoy to split up the 3 paths of pain so against one opponent (
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Amaterasu
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how exactly the black flames were produced. For that reason, Jiraiya won't be able to develop strategies to counter amaterasu since he won't know its unavoidability (
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) once prepped. Moreover, even while prepping amaterasu, Jiraiya doesn't know whether Itachi is prepping amaterasu or some other technique. I already explained why Itachi isn't getting fooled by clones, he'll know when Jiraiya forms the hand seals to create them and Itachi managed to create enough flames and managed to release amaterasu for more than a few seconds which allows him to take down multiple targets as well (
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). Itachi had produced enough amaterasu to cover half of the Uchiha hideout in a semi circle. Amaterasu does have backlash but even after using it twice in a row, first using it to burn Sasuke's katon (
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) and then against Sasuke himself (
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) and leap away from multiple dragon heads despite the ground underneath him shattering and the fact that he had used a large amount of amaterasu just beforehand. Also important to take into account that he was
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while Sasuke was busy casting hand seals, Itachi isn't going to be coughing as per the conditions stipulated in the OP so amaterasu blacklash won't hamper Itachi much as long as he uses it carefully which he is more than capable of. Itachi need not use amaterasu right after he preps it, he can wait it out and release the flames at the right time. If you want proof of this, notice that Nagato senses that Itachi is about to use amaterasu (
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), however Shisui's eye frees Itachi from Kabuto's control allowing him to store those flames for later use (
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) and this surprises Nagato who thinks it is not amaterasu and Kabuto, who is surprised Itachi hasn't cast amaterasu yet. Later on, Itachi hastily releases the flames from his eyes (
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), catching everyone off guard (
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so this acts as a preventative measure to hold off Jiraiya while Itachi recovers from amaterasu backlash or while he preps the jutsu. Itachi's susanoo

Yata Mirror
Yata mirror is able to reflect attacks that try to breach susanoo's defence. I know Yata Mirror's hype is restricted but it has the feats of deflecting every single attack that has been thrown at it thus far. When Oro's hydra attacked, the snake got deflected away from the shield (
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). My point is, when Jiraiya decides to attack susanoo, his attacks will end up getting deflected, potentially right back at him. Without knowledge on this, Jiraiya could get caught off guard and even with knowledge, he'll have to be extremely cautious in dealing with it. To conserve chakra, Itachi doesn't need to use armoured/V4 susanoo and can instead opt to use
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Susanoo's Offence
Itachi's susanoo clearly manhandles Jiraiya in CQC, I hope you agree considering the range his Totsuka blade covers and the speed at which Itachi swings the blade considering that he managed to cut off six snake heads from the eight branched serpent nigh instantly (
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). In that aforementioned bottom panel, we see that the snake heads fall to the ground at the exact same time so Totsuka must have completed its swing, which covered a good area considering the size of the serpent, nigh instantly. Itachi's V2 susanoo gives him the ability to fire Yasaka Magatamas (
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) which allow him to dominate in long ranged combat as well. Yasaka magatamas speed is portrayed to be as fast as FRS and TBB considering all three attacks were side by side which is only possible if they travelled the same distance and due to being cast at the same time, they travelled at the same speed. FRS is fast enough to cross a mountain range distance in a split second (
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Complete Retcon

Kishimoto's plans in terms of Itachi's power have obvious changes from part one to part two. His stamina and chakra capacity is greatly increased despite the fact that he should have weakened in Shippuden not grown stronger. When Kishi drew the scan, it's possible that he did mean it, but Part two simply does not agree with it.​
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I agree with this. As the Sannin had just recently been introduced, perhaps it was Kishi's way of hyping them considering the 3 Sannin battle happened not too long after Itachi and Kisame's encounter with Jiraiya and Naruto. Though there is this which was stated before [
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As for the battle, Jiraiya can't counter Amaterasu in a combat situation; he doesn't have the reaction time to dodge or the time to seal it away in a scroll. Itachi was easily able to keep up with KCM Naruto in taijutsu who was stronger/faster than the SM Naruto that fought Pain. Naruto, who mastered SM better than Jiraiya, has better taijutsu than him, so Itachi would win in hand to hand combat. Genjutsu is relatively self-explanatory in this battle.

Itachi wins.
 
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SkyFall25 said:
Fantastic thread. Great objective analysis.
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Thanks man.​
Zonoxas said:
Good thread. It was accurate and approached from a logical point of view. Without Sage Mode Jiraya gets handled.
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Agreed and thank you.​
Icelerate said:
I once debated this matchup a while back and agree that Itachi wins with mid-high difficulty.

Introduction
Before this debate starts, I would like to inform all of you that Itachi was loyal to Konoha so the apparent weaknesses in his fights against Konoha shinobi should be taken with a grain of salt since he was not trying to kill any shinobi from Konoha and hence was "going easy" against them. For example, Itachi decided to put Kakashi out of commission via Tsukiyomi. This doesn't prove that Itachi was forced to use Tsukuyomi to beat Kakashi but that it would be the quickest way of finishing him off without killing him. There are many other misconceptions related to Itachi's prowess as a shinobi which are downplayed by many just because of his own intentions, restricting his capabilities.

Hand Seal Speed
Itachi throws shuriken at Kakashi, forcing him to erect a wall of water (
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). Kakashi even comments on how fast Itachi's jutsu execution speed is and while he does that, Itachi manages to not only create a clone but has it shunshin right behind Kakashi's clone which Kurenai fails to notice until after Itachi's clone gets behind Kakashi (
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). This goes to show that Itachi's hand seals are so fast that even the sharingan can't see them and that Itachi's clones can move very fast. Against Hebi Sasuke, while countering Sasuke's shuriken spam with his own (
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), Itachi still had the time to form a clone which Sasuke hadn't noticed until it came right in front of him (
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). This is another example of how fast Itachi can weave hand seals and have his clones escape the line of sight of his opponents even though they are elite 3 tomoe sharingan users. Even DSM Kabuto, whose speed, sensory abilities and reflexes were enhanced by senjutsu didn't notice that Itachi managed to create a Karasu bunshin (
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).

Itachi's usage of clones
Itachi can make clones explode and while the radius of the explosion is easy to dodge for anyone who knows (
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) that his clones can explode, without knowledge, they can be used to launch a surprise attack like what would have happened to Kurenai (
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). Kakashi had the sharingan which allowed him to tell that the clone would explode but Kurenai had no such advantage and Jiraiya is the same in that regard. If Jiraiya uses his
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, he is very likely to attack a clone which Itachi can create in a moment's notice (
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) thus dealing damage to Jiraiya, distracting him and blinding him, allowing the real Itachi to get behind Jiraiya and finish him off via amaterasu or
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by
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. Itachi could opt to use a crow clone instead (
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), which when sliced apart (
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), will disperse into a flock of crows (
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) which will converge together thus recreating the crow clone and catching Jiraiya offguard like it did to Hebi Sasuke. Itachi's Karasu bunshin did the same thing when up against DSM Kabuto. It got stabbed by Kabuto (
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), turned to crows (
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), then reformed again (
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) allowing Itachi to quickly cut off Kabuto's horn and retreat before Kabuto could react/counterattack. Jiraiya may have some low level sensory abilities granted by imperfect sage mode but it isn't enough to effectively counter Itachi's feints in a small moment's notice considering he got
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while still in sage mode and with Ma and Pa on his shoulders. Ma and Pa may be perfect sages with better sensory abilities than Jiraiya himself but even they may not be able to warn Jiraiya in time of various dangers that can spring up at a moment's notice. This is especially true considering they failed to do just that when Asura path sneaked up on Jiraiya. Furthermore, they tend to
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even in important fights against multiple opponents with the Rinnegan eyes.

Jiraiya's usage of clones
Jiraiya is also capable of bunshin feints but his utilization of clones isn't going to be as effective as Itachi's. This is primarily because Itachi's sharingan allows him to track hand seals so he will know when Jiraiya is using a shadow clone. Furthermore,
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and if Jiraiya decides to use clones with less chakra than his own body, Itachi will know which is the clone and which is the real one. If Jiraiya decides to split the chakra between himself and his clone(s) evenly, he'll end up wasting a large amount of chakra like Kakashi did (
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) against Pain which
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. Jiraiya may have a huge reservoir of chakra but splitting it in half will waste a large amount of chakra even if he has a lot because the amount of chakra he loses by halving it will be greater than someone with lower amount of chakra. He won't be able to use sage mode properly and potentially turn into a toad if he wastes chakra on KBs. By manga feats, in sage mode, Jiraiya only used one KB towards the end of the fight as a decoy to split up the 3 paths of pain so against one opponent (
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), it stands to reason Jiraiya won't rely on clone feints and that spamming clones is off limits.

Amaterasu
Jiraiya may have knowledge that Itachi can cast black flames but
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how exactly the black flames were produced. For that reason, Jiraiya won't be able to develop strategies to counter amaterasu since he won't know its unavoidability (
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) once prepped. Moreover, even while prepping amaterasu, Jiraiya doesn't know whether Itachi is prepping amaterasu or some other technique. I already explained why Itachi isn't getting fooled by clones, he'll know when Jiraiya forms the hand seals to create them and Itachi managed to create enough flames and managed to release amaterasu for more than a few seconds which allows him to take down multiple targets as well (
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)(
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)(
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). Itachi had produced enough amaterasu to cover half of the Uchiha hideout in a semi circle. Amaterasu does have backlash but even after using it twice in a row, first using it to burn Sasuke's katon (
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)(
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) and then against Sasuke himself (
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)(
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), he managed to react to Sasuke's Gouryouka no jutsu (
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)(
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) and leap away from multiple dragon heads despite the ground underneath him shattering and the fact that he had used a large amount of amaterasu just beforehand. Also important to take into account that he was
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while Sasuke was busy casting hand seals, Itachi isn't going to be coughing as per the conditions stipulated in the OP so amaterasu blacklash won't hamper Itachi much as long as he uses it carefully which he is more than capable of. Itachi need not use amaterasu right after he preps it, he can wait it out and release the flames at the right time. If you want proof of this, notice that Nagato senses that Itachi is about to use amaterasu (
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), however Shisui's eye frees Itachi from Kabuto's control allowing him to store those flames for later use (
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) and this surprises Nagato who thinks it is not amaterasu and Kabuto, who is surprised Itachi hasn't cast amaterasu yet. Later on, Itachi hastily releases the flames from his eyes (
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), catching everyone off guard (
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). What this entails is that even if Jiraiya can tell when Itachi is prepping amaterasu, he won't know exactly when it comes out.
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so this acts as a preventative measure to hold off Jiraiya while Itachi recovers from amaterasu backlash or while he preps the jutsu. Itachi's susanoo

Yata Mirror
Yata mirror is able to reflect attacks that try to breach susanoo's defence. I know Yata Mirror's hype is restricted but it has the feats of deflecting every single attack that has been thrown at it thus far. When Oro's hydra attacked, the snake got deflected away from the shield (
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). White Zetsu (
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) also comments on how all of Sasuke's attacks are getting deflected by the shield, not just outright tanking. Later on, Sasuke ends up getting repelled along with his sword after trying to attack Itachi (
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)(
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). My point is, when Jiraiya decides to attack susanoo, his attacks will end up getting deflected, potentially right back at him. Without knowledge on this, Jiraiya could get caught off guard and even with knowledge, he'll have to be extremely cautious in dealing with it. To conserve chakra, Itachi doesn't need to use armoured/V4 susanoo and can instead opt to use
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.

Susanoo's Offence
Itachi's susanoo clearly manhandles Jiraiya in CQC, I hope you agree considering the range his Totsuka blade covers and the speed at which Itachi swings the blade considering that he managed to cut off six snake heads from the eight branched serpent nigh instantly (
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). In that aforementioned bottom panel, we see that the snake heads fall to the ground at the exact same time so Totsuka must have completed its swing, which covered a good area considering the size of the serpent, nigh instantly. Itachi's V2 susanoo gives him the ability to fire Yasaka Magatamas (
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StarkBito221 said:
Obvious man

Itachi > J man and Minato
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Some people still don't get it .Lol

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DemonSenju said:
Nice thread. Clear and unbiased. Agreed 100%.

JMan could win in Sage Mode and with intel, but he won't make it to Sage Mode. Although, depending on the location it might be possible by retreating and hiding like he did against Pain in the pipes.
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Gold Lightning said:
Good stuff I guess
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Blood Teller said:
Good thread that states the Trúth. 10/10.
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But of course u_u​
udoo said:
Really well made thread. This should be obvious though, however its good you made it since some people actually still thought that fodder had a chance of taking out Itachi.
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I just felt like reminding everyone. Thanks Lol​
Proto Man said:


DIDNT READ.

JIRAIYA OBLITERATES HIM AND KISAME TOGETHER JUST LIKE ITACHI SAID
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Didn't honestly expect you to Scrafty.​
 
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Sparks said:
I agree with this. As the Sannin had just recently been introduced, perhaps it was Kishi's way of hyping them considering the 3 Sannin battle happened not too long after Itachi and Kisame's encounter with Jiraiya and Naruto. Though there is this which was stated before [
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As for the battle, Jiraiya can't counter Amaterasu in a combat situation; he doesn't have the reaction time to dodge or the time to seal it away in a scroll. Itachi was easily able to keep up with KCM Naruto in taijutsu who was stronger/faster than the SM Naruto that fought Pain. Naruto, who mastered SM better than Jiraiya, has better taijutsu than him, so Itachi would win in hand to hand combat. Genjutsu is relatively self-explanatory in this battle.

Itachi wins.
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He doesn't just win... He roflstomps.
 
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udoo said:
Really well made thread. This should be obvious though, however its good you made it since some people actually still thought that fodder had a chance of taking out Itachi.
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Jiraiya isn't a fodder, and this is probably one of the reasons why no one takes people like you seriously.

Itachi beats Jiraiya, but he will have trouble with SM.
 
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Gerkak said:
Indeed this is true remember itachi's finger can solo countries mangaphaxx

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Dat finger :cool:​

blazingizanagi45 said:
You just solo'd every Jiraiya-wanking Itachi hater on the Base.
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I know Torpid.​

Jimmy page said:
Good thread. Devoid of wank and hate.
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Sparks said:
I agree with this. As the Sannin had just recently been introduced, perhaps it was Kishi's way of hyping them considering the 3 Sannin battle happened not too long after Itachi and Kisame's encounter with Jiraiya and Naruto. Though there is this which was stated before [
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], and Orochimaru was stated to be stronger than Jiraiya at the time.

As for the battle, Jiraiya can't counter Amaterasu in a combat situation; he doesn't have the reaction time to dodge or the time to seal it away in a scroll. Itachi was easily able to keep up with KCM Naruto in taijutsu who was stronger/faster than the SM Naruto that fought Pain. Naruto, who mastered SM better than Jiraiya, has better taijutsu than him, so Itachi would win in hand to hand combat. Genjutsu is relatively self-explanatory in this battle.

Itachi wins.
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Agreed on all points here.​

Dannie said:
Jiraiya isn't a fodder, and this is probably one of the reasons why no one takes people like you seriously.

Itachi beats Jiraiya, but he will have trouble with SM.
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Lets keep it civil. Thanks for agreeing​

jeen boss said:
truth has been spoken ya'll U_U

itachi not attacking jiraya for the village sake heavily makes sense
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Yes he has. u_u​

Kratos93 said:
didn't read. Already know that Itachi beats Jiraiya with mid diff.
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FujiRyoma18 said:
The Trúth can not be denied.

10/10 analysis thread.
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Trúth said:
Dat finger :cool:​



I know Torpid.​



Thanks.​



Agreed on all points here.​



Lets keep it civil. Thanks for agreeing​



Yes he has. u_u​



The important thing is that you know.​


Thanks.​
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The important thing is if they have prep, it's Jiraiya that'll beat Itachi with sound genjutsu:cool:
 
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