Itachi: among top 5 or not

[FloriGlori]

is that basically saying dont debate cus ill stoop down to their level and theyll beat me on experience?

:'D I looove you. You made my day.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

and before any1 says jiraiya cant seal away itachi etc.
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at about 5:59 he seals away summons

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Lol my friend, I'm not going to argue with you, Debating with you is a fools errand....that much is certain...

Its funny, you have no idea how stupid everything you write is? none? lmao, i'm just here for the laughs..

I reccomend you go look up some Jiraya vs Itachi threads ,to see what sensible , intelligent people have to say about the matter

Here is DigitalMonsters take on the fight..

TLDR , if you shorten it , i read up to the frog army , all of it up to then was just speculation

 

[Owarij]

how about we make a deal , you give me reasons why jiraiya doenst counter every technique itachi uses, and if i prove you wrong if you can even admit it we settle it at that , if i cant then we settle it and take jiraiya off my list , leaving another 13 shinobi...

deal? if not you just cant prove me wrong.

I can refute more than half of the people you listed....But as I said it wouldn't matter.....Logic most likely won't get to you.. but hey lets take a shot at Jiraya...

ITACHI'S tsukyomi will work on sm jiraya , why? If you read the manga, you'd know itachi's tsukyomi starts and ends in the same time, its instant..as kakashi said, there is NO cancellation effects..

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To Get Jiraya out of the genjutsu, similarly to Hachibi Bijuu and killer bee, once they realize he's in one, They would simply disrupt his chakra flow...

Unfortunately there is no time for that is there?
Manga my friend.. read it


Amaterasu.. I have no idea , where you got that thing that Jiraya can seal and shoot back amaterasu..
Firstly Jiraya doesnt have the reflexes and speed to pull out a scroll etc before amaterasu shoots out... and if you are speaking about pulling out that scroll WHILE amaterasu is on him? , you must be joking... flames said to be hotter than the sun , that made Hachibi and tobi scream like little girls? don't kid me my friend..

As ive stated, this fight will be over BEFORE jiraya even summons ma and pa, which if you read the manga would know it takes roughly 7mins.... ,already showed you the scan..


Frog hermit Jiraya, capable of summoning a bunch of cool frogs to aid him in battle

Unfortunately...

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A trained Basic sharingan has the power to Control Boss summons, And mangekyou can control tailed beasts... So any summons Jiraya brings out will be used against him...

What does this mean? He cant use a frog to stall and get into sage mode.... nope... there is no getting into sage mode...

the fight will be over in his base...

Mangekyou possibly isnt even needed.... genjutsu being Jirayas weakness, he will get butt raped by itachi's normal genjutsu, which his genius partnet who has a 5 in genjutsu databooks succumbed too

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You say sage art big ball rasengan is stronger than rasenshruiken? You must be kidding me -_-, i'm not even going to comment on that..

Read Digital monster's post for the rest , all of it speculation? manga proof was given for his statements.. unlike you who deliver half baked arguments based on opinons and conjecture then labelling it as fact

 

[amzie]

I don't think it's about who he can beat, it's about the person he is - he protected his brother all is life even tho he kinda went weirdly about it... but he's still not in my top 5, maybe in my top ten :no_ignore:

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I can refute more than half of the people you listed....But as I said it wouldn't matter.....Logic most likely won't get to you.. but hey lets take a shot at Jiraya...

ITACHI'S tsukyomi will work on sm jiraya , why? If you read the manga, you'd know itachi's tsukyomi starts and ends in the same time, its instant..as kakashi said, there is NO cancellation effects..

You must be registered for see images

To Get Jiraya out of the genjutsu, similarly to Hachibi Bijuu and killer bee, once they realize he's in one, They would simply disrupt his chakra flow...

Unfortunately there is no time for that is there?
Manga my friend.. read it


Amaterasu.. I have no idea , where you got that thing that Jiraya can seal and shoot back amaterasu..
Firstly Jiraya doesnt have the reflexes and speed to pull out a scroll etc before amaterasu shoots out... and if you are speaking about pulling out that scroll WHILE amaterasu is on him? , you must be joking... flames said to be hotter than the sun , that made Hachibi and tobi scream like little girls? don't kid me my friend..

As ive stated, this fight will be over BEFORE jiraya even summons ma and pa, which if you read the manga would know it takes roughly 7mins.... ,already showed you the scan..


Frog hermit Jiraya, capable of summoning a bunch of cool frogs to aid him in battle

Unfortunately...

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A trained Basic sharingan has the power to Control Boss summons, And mangekyou can control tailed beasts... So any summons Jiraya brings out will be used against him...

What does this mean? He cant use a frog to stall and get into sage mode.... nope... there is no getting into sage mode...

the fight will be over in his base...

Mangekyou possibly isnt even needed.... genjutsu being Jirayas weakness, he will get butt raped by itachi's normal genjutsu, which his genius partnet who has a 5 in genjutsu databooks succumbed too

You must be registered for see images

You say sage art big ball rasengan is stronger than rasenshruiken? You must be kidding me -_-, i'm not even going to comment on that..

Read Digital monster's post for the rest , all of it speculation? manga proof was given for his statements.. unlike you who deliver half baked arguments based on opinons and conjecture then labelling it as fact

your point about the no cancellation , ... jiraiya has comrades and summons if itachi is moved of his feet the genjutsu falls , paa can use the water attack and force him to move , therefore jiraiya is then out of the genjutsu

if jiraiya can live for as long as he did with a crushed throat and 6 vital spots hit , then he can endure being burnt for a few seconds , i never said he was that fast in reflexes , but he can do this:

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at about 6 minutes
that would take amaterasu to another dimension

fight over before ma and pa , please prove , yes it takes alot of chakra , but he could also summon 1 of em and then do his stuff while 1 of them gathers sage chakra

sharingan hasnt been proven to control more than 1 summon , if so provide link

jiraiya knows how to break genjutsu , he can break genjutsu , and summons as i said earlier can dislodge itachi , if he controls a summon then the genjutsu would be broken and he can then summon another 1 , jiraiya is a careful shinobi and grew up with the uchiha clan and he knows its abilities

if you link me to the thread then i can read the post

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

any ways , people explain why itachi in top 5 , its clear that he isnt , so6p , tobi , madara,nagato,sasuke,naruto,bee,kabutomaru,muu,2nd mizukage all definately stronger , the others in my list are debateable , with itachi having lower chance of winning it

 

[Might Who]

any ways , people explain why itachi in top 5 , its clear that he isnt , so6p , tobi , madara,nagato,sasuke,naruto,bee,kabutomaru,muu,2nd mizukage all definately stronger , the others in my list are debateable , with itachi having lower chance of winning it

Lol I bet you are sitting saying, are everyone dumb because I sure thinking like that, Itachi is no where near top 5. Well technically he is but still.

 

[lswhyte123]

No1: You are a Troll who only posts to get attention and spark arguments.
No2: Itachi has been overateded by some and others underate, you do the latter.
No3: You have 0% debating skill.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

No1: You are a Troll who only posts to get attention and spark arguments.
No2: Itachi has been overateded by some and others underate, you do the latter.
No3: You have 0% debating skill.

1. you have no friends considering how you post and that you try and wind people up
2. you wind me up
3. whats your say?
4. your debating skills are unknown , possibly because you know you cant , so you dont truly participate

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Lol I bet you are sitting saying, are everyone dumb because I sure thinking like that, Itachi is no where near top 5. Well technically he is but still.

he is , close numerically , but strength wise , tobi etc. take on 4 itachis and win...

 

[Might Who]

No1: You are a Troll who only posts to get attention and spark arguments.
No2: Itachi has been overateded by some and others underate, you do the latter.
No3: You have 0% debating skill.

Me.... why?

 

[Owarij]

your point about the no cancellation , ... jiraiya has comrades and summons if itachi is moved of his feet the genjutsu falls , paa can use the water attack and force him to move , therefore jiraiya is then out of the genjutsu

if jiraiya can live for as long as he did with a crushed throat and 6 vital spots hit , then he can endure being burnt for a few seconds , i never said he was that fast in reflexes , but he can do this:

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at about 6 minutes
that would take amaterasu to another dimension

fight over before ma and pa , please prove , yes it takes alot of chakra , but he could also summon 1 of em and then do his stuff while 1 of them gathers sage chakra

sharingan hasnt been proven to control more than 1 summon , if so provide link

jiraiya knows how to break genjutsu , he can break genjutsu , and summons as i said earlier can dislodge itachi , if he controls a summon then the genjutsu would be broken and he can then summon another 1 , jiraiya is a careful shinobi and grew up with the uchiha clan and he knows its abilities

if you link me to the thread then i can read the post

And this is where our debate ends.. I dont know which part of Tsukyomi is instant, and jiraya cannot start in sage mode you dont understand..

Everyone knows how to break genjutsu... Jiraya has I believe a 3 in genjutsu according to databooks, Orochimaru a 5.. You think oro didnt know how to break itachi's genjutsu? you think oro didnt grow up with the uchiha clan? Your points are ridiculous .. Look at oro.. he lost his hand easily... by a normal genjutsu...

if jiraiya can live for as long as he did with a crushed throat and 6 vital spots hit , then he can endure being burnt for a few seconds

SIGH GG

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

And this is where our debate ends.. I dont know which part of Tsukyomi is instant, and jiraya cannot start in sage mode you dont understand..

Everyone knows how to break genjutsu... Jiraya has I believe a 3 in genjutsu according to databooks, Orochimaru a 5.. You think oro didnt know how to break itachi's genjutsu? you think oro didnt grow up with the uchiha clan? Your points are ridiculous .. Look at oro.. he lost his hand easily... by a normal genjutsu...



SIGH GG

i didnt get if the gg ment good game or something else , and it wasnt clear if you admitted defeat or if you defeated me
i said that summons will get jiraiya out of genjutsu , but to control a summon itachi has to break the genjutsu

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Me.... why?

Iswhyte was talking to me :/

 

[DivineIllusion]

Well you might want to head to the courthouse because you are about to get lawyered.

Sasuke was able to keep up with version 1 raiton armor on the 4th raikage yes? Rhetorical question, yes he was. He was even able to hit him without being hit himself.

Sasuke was able to dodge Bee in his tailed beast cloak form with however many tails.

Naruto SM was faster than Sasuke (when he saved Sakura from that poisoned kunai)

Naruto SM was faster than the 3rd raikage. (hell even Dodai, the rubber guy was able to dodge him. The 3rd raikage's raiton armor seems more attack based where as A's is all about speed)

Naruto's KM is much faster than his SM.

Itachi was keeping up with Naruto in KM when they fought (Bee was in normal mode, but still, he was unable to keep up with Itachi)

So Itachi is faster than Naruto's SM.

I laid it out nice and neat for you so that you could relate everything.


I guess I didn't need the Sasuke part but I like letting people know that Itachi is faster than Sasuke.

It looks something like this:

3rd raikage was slower than SM<which is slower than KM, which Itachi was keeping up with in their fight. I don't think Itachi even got hit.

So Itachi is faster than the 3rd raikage.

No Thats no proof. Naruto wasnt in sagemode when he saved sakura.
Sasuke was just very tired so naruto could keep up with him. (Sagenaruto wouldve crushed saukes puny chidori)

Sagemode doesnt make Naruto faster than third Raikage, he was just able to sense his movement and attack at the right time. (And the Raikage just moved when Kabuto ordered.)

Bee was able to keep up. Naruto didnt fought Itachi very long, we cant say whos faster, but I still guess its Naruto.

Nice argumentation but with a few mistakes.

 

[lswhyte123]

No Thats no proof. Naruto wasnt in sagemode when he saved sakura.
Sasuke was just very tired so naruto could keep up with him. (Sagenaruto wouldve crushed saukes puny chidori)

Sagemode doesnt make Naruto faster than third Raikage, he was just able to sense his movement and attack at the right time. (And the Raikage just moved when Kabuto ordered.)

Bee was able to keep up. Naruto didnt fought Itachi very long, we cant say whos faster, but I still guess its Naruto.

Nice argumentation but with a few mistakes.

Naruto was in sage mode when he was on the way to save her. He may have been in sage mode when he caught Sakura but wasn't after. When Naruto clashed with Sasuke he was in his base form.

 

[lswhyte123]

1. you have no friends considering how you post and that you try and wind people up
2. you wind me up
3. whats your say?
4. your debating skills are unknown , possibly because you know you cant , so you dont truly participate

Funny guy. Friends on NB & friends in real life. 2 different things.

I don't give a flying turd how you feel about me.

And no, I was not talking to u.

Me.... why?

You don't use any evidence and simply spout crap.
You also only make threads which you know will get max attention from Naruto/Sasuke or Itachi fans.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Naruto was in sage mode. Check the manga.

send a link , besides it doesnt matter if your slow or not when you face someone like sasuke with just MS when in sage mode , it takes a lost limb to actually be hurt and your energy levels go over the roof

 

[lswhyte123]

send a link , besides it doesnt matter if your slow or not when you face someone like sasuke with just MS when in sage mode , it takes a lost limb to actually be hurt and your energy levels go over the roof

Dark eyes: But these aren't SM eyes so my bad. He is only Sm when he is running to catch them, not once he arrives.

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On his way:

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He doesn't have em when they start to clash though.