Itachi achieved more then the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Hokage. FIGHT

[UchihaElder]

he doesnt really have alot of achievements hype wise hes below all kage

You haven't really thought about what he has done and what he has prevented, change will always occur but to prevent change thats true strength and thats what Itachi did until his dying day. Pay attention to the difference between Akatsuki activity after he dies. Now go back before it. Do you notice?

 

[insid3rkil3r]

Tobi / Obito / Madara whoever he really is, said that Itachi not wiping the clan would have certainly opened doors to countries to invade.

Madara himself was looking for an opportunity to wipe the village good, imagine the world at war + Madara shitting on the whole lot of it - Countless amount of people dead and countries likely destroyers.

Databook stated it clearly, Itachi did not only save the Leaf village, but the world.

He kept Madara at bay the moment he made a deal with him to not touch the leaf, and while being in Akatsuki, prevented them from making any moves against it, something Madara also confirmed when talking to Zetzu.

Defeated and stopped the Edo tensei, also very likely turning Kabuto in an ally to the leaf village as the only way out of Izanami is to accept one's self, Kabuto's real self is to be a medical ninja supporting the leaf.

Itachi's goal was never to kill Kabuto, btw.

Originally Posted by Noddy
Shodai - Fighting EMS Madara + Kyuubi > Anything Itachi did (fighting Hebi Sasuke lol, cheap shotting a Nagato who was under full control with the help of 2 perfect Jinchuurikis, 'beating' Orochimaru but never actually being able to fully kill him).

Fighting yet failing to kill the man who today is responsible for wrecking the living hell on the world, quite a splendid achievement if you ask me.

Hiruzen - Fighting Edo Hashirama, Edo Tobirama + Orochimaru and holding his own despite being fully retired and 69 years old > Anything Itachi did.

Yet all he did is fail to defeat Orochimaru, and you comment on how Nagato vs Itachi was underpowered because he was nothing more than a puppet and now we're supposed to find the fact that controlled Hashimara and Tobirama are rediculous powerfull when they were actually weak as hell???

Hashimara only used wood release and some genjutsu, while Tobirama didnt use any ST ninjutsu he had and used some weak ass water jutsu that fodder ninjas can use.

Itachi whooped Orochimaru and made him run for his life while Hiruzen let his emotions for his student get the best of him when he could have surely defeated him.

Minato - Fighting Tobi & Kyuubi, Fighting Killer B and A (multiple times for the Raikage) > Anything Itachi did.

Yet he let Tobi run away when he was the most vulnerable, Minato has succeeded in protected the leaf on that night, but until Naruto finally defeats Tobi / Obito, Minato has done nothnig but let Tobi run.

Fighting Killer A and B... how is this an achievement putting him above Itachi? The kid who ****in made Madara back off the leaf, the kid who prevented a world war and kept Akatsuki in line for years. Minato fighting off Tobi and Kyuubi is amazing, but A and Bee.... no, just no.

Shodai Hype - Unbelievable power which was disregarded as a legend by the people > Itachi's hype.

Agree

Hiruzen Hype - God of Shinobi, *Superlative strength even compared to the previous Hokage > Itachi's hype.

Agree

Minato Hype - Unsurpassable, All pale in comparison to the forth lord etc > Itachi's hype.

Agree



In terms of hype, he clearly is beaten.

Interms of just doing things, that's because Itachi's panel time >>>>> The Hokages (bar Tsunade) combined.

I don't see how that justifies it....

It aint just doing things, it's doing amazing things.


People claim Itachi has failed in everything because he has failed up till now, to fully save Sasuke. But they obviously dont do such thing when it comes to Minato.

Minato saved the village that night, just like Itachi saved the village on an other one.

Minato has entrusted Naruto with a goal / plan, and that plan has yet to conclude and work. Minato give all the credit to Minato for entrusting Naruto and they claim he is a hero but causing Tobi's downfall in the end. But the exact same thing goes for Itachi.

Itachi has entrusted and saved Naruto so if Sasuke is saved by Naruto, it will be because Itachi played a part in doing so.


Itachi has yet to fail with Sasuke, just like Minato has yet to succeed.


You can put the blame on the fact that Itachi's got more screentime that it's the reason why he did more amazing things. Itachi gets shit done, we dont hear about it from legends and people. Other get hyped, he does it, it's simply two different things.


I didnt come here to claim that Itachi outclasses all of them, but rather to show that while people attempt to downgrade Itachi for his ''failure''... we can do the same with all of them.

 

[OnPoint]

Fighting yet failing to kill the man who today is responsible for wrecking the living hell on the world, quite a splendid achievement if you ask me.

Itachi would've been fodderized had he been in Shodai's position. But hey, being responsible for the guy who now wants to slaughter even the babies in Konoha is some 'achievement' by the self proclaimed failure.

Yet all he did is fail to defeat Orochimaru, and you comment on how Nagato vs Itachi was underpowered because he was nothing more than a puppet and now we're supposed to find the fact that controlled Hashimara and Tobirama are rediculous powerfull when they were actually weak as hell??? Hashimara only used wood release and some genjutsu, while Tobirama didnt use any ST ninjutsu he had and used some weak ass water jutsu that fodder ninjas can use.

That's not the main issue, Itachi had two of the strongest perfect Jinchuurikis to back him up. He would've been soloed by Chibaku Tensei. Further, he was enhanced by being an Edo. Hiruzen had a numerical disadvantage, and emotional one (his two former sensei) and was 69 years old - Emna even commented on how poor he was compared to his prime. All the while, he still held his own. And don't be fooled by part 1 power levels, if that fight was to be repeated in Shippuden, you'd see some major, major jutsu be unleased. Unless you think Deidara > Everyone shown in part one because his explosions 'are bigger'?

Itachi whooped Orochimaru and made him run for his life while Hiruzen let his emotions for his student get the best of him when he could have surely defeated him.

Orochimaru is alive today, is he not? You talk about how Hiruzen should've killed him, but why didn't 'St. Itachi' rid Konoha of one of its enemies when he first trapped Orochimaru in genjutsu? Hiruzen's emotions got in the way - doesn't that remind you of Itachi and Sasuke with regards to the Uchiha Massacre? Thought so.

Yet he let Tobi run away when he was the most vulnerable, Minato has succeeded in protected the leaf on that night, but until Naruto finally defeats Tobi / Obito, Minato has done nothnig but let Tobi run.

Nice to know he didn't have to worry about;
- A rampaging demon fox
- His dying wife
- His newborn son
- His endangered villagers
- His village's military power

Sasuke. Why wasn't Sasuke slaughtered by Itachi? He would've saved Konoha a damn sight of trouble. Nah, Itachi decides to send him on a quest which basically entailed him becoming evil - genius.

Fighting Killer A and B... how is this an achievement putting him above Itachi? The kid who ****in made Madara back off the leaf, the kid who prevented a world war and kept Akatsuki in line for years. Minato fighting off Tobi and Kyuubi is amazing, but A and Bee.... no, just no.

Edo Madara is still alive. Fail. Itachi ended Edo Tensei, but hardly any major game players were removed; simply people such as Kimimaro etc. His own major achievement was killing off his clan - again, he didn't even complete this alone. Couldn't stop Kabuto alone. Certainly couldn't stop nerfed Nagato alone.

Orochimaru is still alive. Fail.

I already told you, the rest is just because he has ridiculously more panel time. Itachi is a self proclaimed failure - you should just get over this fact.

 

[lol99]

He failed in the end, said so himself

 

[Prince Charles]

Tysukuyomi.

 

[insid3rkil3r]

Itachi would've been fodderized had he been in Shodai's position. But hey, being responsible for the guy who now wants to slaughter even the babies in Konoha is some 'achievement' by the self proclaimed failure.

And i bet any other hokages would have failed had they been put in Itachi's shoes at 13 years old.

And Sasuke is currently not taking revenge until he finds out more about what truly happened. Besides, Itachi saved Naruto and made sure he would be there exactly to make sure Sasuke wouldnt be able to do such thing.

Orochimaru is alive today, is he not? You talk about how Hiruzen should've killed him, but why didn't 'St. Itachi' rid Konoha of one of its enemies when he first trapped Orochimaru in genjutsu?

And that is exactly what im saying, if you want to evaluate things on the negative side, it will work for Hashimara, Hiruzen and Minato because they all failed to an extent, just like Itachi failed to an extent.

Except that when it comes to them, people just look at the bright side.

Edo Madara is still alive. Fail. Itachi ended Edo Tensei, but hardly any major game players were removed; simply people such as Kimimaro etc. His own major achievement was killing off his clan - again, he didn't even complete this alone. Couldn't stop Kabuto alone. Certainly couldn't stop nerfed Nagato alone.

Again, only looking at the dark side of Itachi's achievements.

Itachi's goal was to stop the Edo tensei right? He succeeded in stopping the jutsu.

Madara is alive, but he had to release his immortality and unlimted chakra boost, you gonna ****ing tell me this aint a success???


Killing his clan and saving the Shinobi world was a major achievement but it wasnt the only one. He also kept Akatsuki in line for years, this is major achievements.

Defeating the Edo tensei was a major achievement, because it didnt only remove the Edo tenseis on the map, it nerfed Madara forcing him to release the bind with the technique. He also turned Kabuto into an eventual ally as he needs to accept his true self, and we have yet to see what Kabuto could bring to the alliance force.

Itachi removed the cursed seal that was within Sasuke which was his goal, did u see somewhere that it said that Itachi had for goal to kill Orochimaru and make sure he never appeared again? He got rid of the mark which was what he planned to do. Otherwise we would have a freaking overpowered Oro right now having Sasuke's body.

If you wanna talk about self proclaimed things i can point you at Minato,s direction.

He himself claimed that Kushina is the backbone of his success... even Itachi said so.

Minato said she was the reason why he became Hokage, had it not been for the Uzumaki seals Minato wouldnt be who he was.

He himself said so

Itachi even claimed he became Hokage because he had people to support him.

And Itachi talking about him failing, he did fail to an extent, but he clearly isnt a failure otherwise all the kages are nothing but failures because none of them had perfect scores in anyway shape of form.

Madara's plan is coming to an end - Hashimara failed
Tobi is alive and more dangerous than ever - Minato failed
Orochimaru is still alive - Hiruzen failed twice to defeat him (emotions isnt an excuse when you are a shinobi - Itachi killed his loved ones when he was a freaking child, Hiruzen,s failure is simply rediculous when comparing what Itachi had to do as a 13 years old child)

Even Kabuto was getting annoyed with Itachi spouting the same speech all the damn time about him failing because he didnt accept himself, he then followed by saying Itachi was far more than what he really was

I already told you, the rest is just because he has ridiculously more panel time. Itachi is a self proclaimed failure - you should just get over this fact

Panel time or not it doesnt matter... we could hear from those damn things from Konoha,

Itachi the kid who saved the village and protected the Shinobi world for years while restraining Akatsuki's move etc.

Itachi the guy who stopped the Edo tensei while being brought back with this very technique.

We dont need panels to understand what hes done. What Minato did during the Kyuubi incident was nothing more than a story until we saw it through panels...

The other Kages story materialise through hype, Itachi materialises through panels because he was current thats all.

 

[Prince Charles]

Stopping edo tensei.
Stopping a war which would unbalance ace the whole ninja world (uciha d'coup).
And my signature

charles out.

 

[Edge]

You should change your user to 'LordItachi'sSixPack"

 

[insid3rkil3r]

You should change your user to 'LordItachi'sSixPack"

And you should keep posting useful posts like these, they are so.... useful.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

All the while pulling off the bad guy act without killing anybody and I still hear fans saying he's terrible for terrorizing a 6yr old and helping Akatsuki with the beasts, but like I said before he played his role well

what, contributing to the worlds destruction and unleashing evil sasuke? how is that an act? thats actions of an actual villain

The kid who ****in made Madara back off the leaf, the kid who prevented a world war and kept Akatsuki in line for years

danzo prevented a world war. and obito backed off the leaf but proceeded to kill off half of kirigakure.

Itachi whooped Orochimaru and made him run for his life

itachi cut his arm off when he could have easily aimed for the head when oro was still in shackled stakes genjutsu. itachi condemned thousands to suffering and death when he chose for no reason to not aim for his head.

Who was the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the Uchiha??
ITACHI SLAUGHTERED A WHOLE CLAN!

no obito slaughtered a whole clan. itachi killed his parents.

Itachi ended the Edo Tensei...

itachi ended jins (already defeated), kimimaro and chiyo.

Tobi / Obito / Madara whoever he really is, said that Itachi not wiping the clan would have certainly opened doors to countries to invade.

so did attacking konoha with kyuubi and killing minato. and itachi threatened to sell konoha national secrets to those other countries if danzo touched sasuke so yeah...

Onoki dissagrees , He is the Hero of the World , they only saved Konoha, he saved the shinobi world

itachi disagrees. he failed and ending ET was the first legit good thing he did for konoha. it accomplished nothing. 90% of edos were already taken down.

Itachi gave naruto a gaurantee win over sasuke, saving konoha

at the off chance that sauske woudl somehow survive a dangerous medical transplant of itachis eyes into his own sockets.

Itachi killed his whole family to stop a rebellion that would cause a war that would have allowed Tobi to complete his moon eye's plan years ago.

how do you know it woudl cause a war? either itachi kills them or danzo + hiruzen do. either way uchihas were doomed and the village weakened no matter what itachi did. moreover danzo was the one who killed uchihas. hes the hero here.

Itachi saved sasuke, naruto and the Jounin that found him. He saved the world 4 times in 4 different ways.

he is part of the reason the 4 main villains are still here. failed to kill orochimaur and kabuto. helped tobi get all the bijuus and failed to seal a bijuu in totsuka to stop the plan, helped sasuke become a raging psychopath etc

Madara himself was looking for an opportunity to wipe the village good, imagine the world at war + Madara shitting on the whole lot of it - Countless amount of people dead and countries likely destroyers.

Databook stated it clearly, Itachi did not only save the Leaf village, but the world.

wrong. danzo did. he ordered the genocide. so itachi followed orders. and thats all he did. just be danzos puppet.

Itachi has yet to fail with Sasuke

"i failed. all i did was turn you into a criminal"
itachi disagrees

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Itachi killed his loved ones when he was a freaking child, Hiruzen,s failure is simply rediculous when comparing what Itachi had to do as a 13 years old child

heres the difference. hiruzen isnt sociopathic and isnt danzos puppet willing to do any mission if its "for konoha". itachi was able to kill everyone because hes batshit insane.

 

[Bogard]

This isn't fanboyism, its just what kishi wrote. Itachi is the 4th in a Uchiha body.

I know both of them seems to be at some points similar in the manga, but when did kishi said that?

 

[Stark]

Guess what? Itachi is dead.

 

[Simple Math]

i have to admit the edo tensei release was kinda pointless

 

[SilverSlick]

I think someone needs to get off the Itachi skin train......

 

[Blaze Release]

Itachi's hype and feats rivals the very best and if i was to upload statements from various character's you'd see that his hype is no pushover even for a ninja who likes to stay in the dark and neither is his feats. Though there are some above him

 

[supino]

undoubtedly Itachi has done some great thing for his village and the shinobi world (even if edo Madara is still out... whereas he ought to have fought him, won and then served tea to everyone...), but I wouldn't go as far. he can stand among the best but obviously some are above him.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

First of all, no.

Itachi's achievements are as thus.
Defeating Deidara.
Defeating Orochimaru yet not killing him.
Massacring the Uchiha clan.
Stopping the Edo Tensei.
Helping to seal Nagato.


Effects on the Ninja World-
Defeating Deidara forced him into Akatsuki providing Akatsuki a powerful soldier that helped them obtain the One Tail and the Four Tails.

Defeating Orochimaru yet letting the bastard live led to Orochimaru being able to attempt to destroy Konoha leading to the death of the Third Hokage and many other ninja from Konoha as well as Suna.

Massacring the Uchiha clan eliminated the threat of civil war which may have led to the Fourth Ninja World War. However, he knew of Tobi's existence and hid this knowledge allowing Tobi to go about his plans which eventually led to the bijuu which made Pain invade and destroy Konoha and the Fourth Ninja World War still happened.

He stopped the Edo Tensei. This was a great feat on his part as well as stopping Kabuto however the fact that Madara freed himself meant this had only affected Chiyo and Kimimaro, two individuals to little of a threat to this war. He stopped Kabuto but his traitorous brother just revived Orochimaru, seems like stopping Kabuto was a waste.

Helped to seal Nagato. I'll give him this since I'm not sure that Naruto and Bee would have got by Nagato.

The Hokages on the other hand.

Third Hokage-
In his era, the Second and Third Ninja Wars started and ended with Konoha having the upper hand with their Legendary Sannin(his students) and the Yellow Flash(his student's student)

He pushed Kurama along with other ninja out of Konoha when it attacked 16 years ago, giving Minato time to deal with Tobi.

His failure to kill Orochimaru sucked ass though.

Second-
He established AnBU, Chunnin Exams and structurised Konoha and trained the ninja who would become regarded as Konoha's greatest Hokage.

First-Created Konoha and established world peace....for a while anyway.

Allowed Konoha to obtain the Kyuubi and used the other bijuu to make peace with other villages.

Stopped Uchiha Madara.

His necklace allowed Yamato keep Naruto in check.

Fourth-
Gave Konoha Victory in a world war.

Protected Konoha from the Nine Tails and created the jinchuuriki who is now the Allied Forces' ace in this war.

Trained Kakashi who has been a major asset in this war.

Fifth-

Protected Konoha from Pain's devastating Shinra Tensei.

Helped to fight Uchiha Madara in this war, providing medical support for the other Kages.

Every progress Konoha has had in the fight against Akatsuki is ascribed to her. She protected the Nine Tails when most other villages lost their jinchuuriki.


Itachi's got nothing on all of these guys.

In a fight, I can only confidently say he would defeat Tsunade. We know too little about the rest to state for a fact that he would beat them.