It is about time to see if Onmyoudon nullifies Kamui, maybe Preta Path too

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, do you remeber Obito as Ten tails host using Onmyoudon presented as black fluid stuff which main purpouse was to erase ANY Ninjutsu. Yes, it was able to render any Ninjutsu useless and ineffective.

Here is statement about Onmyoudon rendering any Ninjutsu useless :

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and here Madara become Ten tails host as well:

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We know also that Madara is heading currently to where Minato and Kakashi fought and most likely are still fighting against Black Zetsu possesing Obito's body.

It is common knowledge that Kakashi posses so called "one-shot" ability under technique named Kamui. By using this technique Kakashi can either wrap you into other dimenssion or rip part of body apart and send it to other dimenssion.

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It is about time for Kishi to prove hype behind Onmyoudon being estabilshed as Absolute truth or no.
Logically speaking it would only depends if Madara is able to react in time and use Onmyoudon before he is wraped... and based on boost which Juubi's gives it's jinchurki and also considering Madara's base stats , I am sure Madara would easily deal with Kamui technique.

It could work because Kamui was labeled under Space time Ninjutsu category. It could be also great chance to show if Kamui can be nullified in time by Preta Path of Rinnegan or no. Kishi would show either Preta Path stopping Kamui... Preta Path failing against Kamui due to user being to slow, but Preta Path working on Kamui in theory or shows that Preta Path can not absorb Kamui no matter how fast user is.

Is this final moment when we will see limit of Kamui technique... or will Kishi keep it limitless with no bounds ?

Thanks for reading !

Please share your thoughts

 

[narutoblitz]

Uh, why wouldn't it? We already know that Onmyoudon cancels Edo Tensei and other jutsu of that same school. Kamui has always been over-rated. It's just another MS technique... Onmyoudon was the jutsu of the sage himself, which he used to create ALL ninjutsu and all of creation. Why wouldn't it cancel a simple Kamui from a non-Uchiha? Obito said it himself. A borrowed power Kakashi can use a few times versus the real deal? Sorry guys, Kakashi is toast.

Obito was caught entirely off guard by the Hirai-shin from Tobirama. He didn't even have to use Onmyoudon . I think it's automatic defense, even greater than Gaara's or Susanno itself. Madara could cancel it with Preta Path anyways, but the reality is that the Sage's jutsus were enough to cancel and create reality itself. This puts Madara's power on nearly the level of a God.

In Japanese Kamui means "the will of God". Guess who can undo the will of God? God.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Uh, why wouldn't it? We already know that Onmyoudon cancels Edo Tensei and other jutsu of that same school. Kamui has always been over-rated. It's just another MS technique... Onmyoudon was the jutsu of the sage himself, which he used to create ALL ninjutsu and all of creation. Why wouldn't it cancel a simple Kamui from a non-Uchiha? Obito said it himself. A borrowed power Kakashi can use a few times versus the real deal? Sorry guys, Kakashi is toast.

Well I concur what you said. I would like to be see Kamui being nullified which could be manga fact so it would stop " Kamui one-shot"... but it all depends on Kishi if he stick to his earlier stated rules or if he break them and make new rules or completly ignore it and make Kamui really invincible...

You are right that Kakashi is hopeless. The most he can do would be buying or stalling for time for Minato to save Naruto. If Minato and kakashi worked as teamwork then they would have slight chance but still loose, but Kakashi alone can not even hope to survive if he fight too long. Of course there is always possibility that Madara acts as Cell from Dragon ball manga part 2 and let Kakashi attack him while he tank his attacks then later test his abilities. Of cours first Madara make sure that his other eye "Rinnegan" is safe so He will plug this eye first then maybe get stopped by Kakashi for few moments.

You know that villains like to be cocky and show their supperiority complex, maybe he will enjoy watching despair and loosing hope by Alliance as everyone will try their attacks on him to see all of it being ineffective.

Anyway if Madara is serious then Only SOSP could stop him for some time being... unless SOSP somehow appear as Juubi Jin then Madara is screwed.

 

[Naijakid]

Nope....the Onmyoudon also get one-shotted by kamui

 

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[KCMNaruto]

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Sorry but once again you fails here and I have to correct you Lol

Everything would be simple and you would be right if Onmyoudon was DEFENCE in essence... However it is not so please me explain what Onmyoudon actually does.

defence (dɪˈfɛns) or defense
n
1. resistance against danger, attack, or harm; protection
2. a person or thing that provides such resistance

^^ Look here what defence means: resistance or protection.

Onmyoudon is neither of them... it is simple ability to nullify ANY Ninjutsu by most likely dispersing/dividing contents of certain Ninjutsu which are nothing more then reverse to execution of technique process.

To be honest, even Preta Path can be considered as not DEFENCE, because Preta Path only absorbs chakra from technique... it won't stop physically or tank enemy technique instead it keep absorbing it... if it is not fast enough then attack will still reach target. Same with Onmyoudon, if it is not used in time then attack still connect.

 

[miromiro]

If used fast enough as a barrier, it should nullify it. Preta Path absorbs it also if used in time.

 

[EternalFlame]

I think it would be cool to see it countered.

It wouldn't really damage the Jutsu's rep as it would basically speak volumes for how powerful it is. Only able to be countered [not dodging but actually going head to head] by Onmyoudon? Talk about OP.

 

[Bogard]

Onymoudon couldn't even stop Tobirama from teleporting Jinchuriki Obito via space-time ninjutsu(Hiraishin), what makes you think it would stop Jinchuriki Madara to be teleported in this case?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If onmyudon can't stop ftg..why would it stop kamui?
You guys should know by now space time ninjutsu> everything else.

 

[AlphaScythian]

For gods sake. Why do people look into limiting madara's opponents all the time?
Isnt it enough that madz got so6p power, and unlike Obito he isnt kind hearted who will be testing naruto's determination.
Instead of giving madara run for his money people just want him to win on a mere thought?

I remember how NB was going "oh juubi progenitor of chakra, all things, a god and what not" - pinned down by hashi, raped by team 7 and fodders.

Then Obito, "oh the 2nd sage, omnyoudon, god's sword" Couldnt even remove FTG mark, blitzed by S/T, the shield and sword owned by rasengans and PS + kurama. Yeah he lost due to the plot but he had weaknesses.

So will you ever learn? Madara isnt immune to ninjutsu, he cant cancel what he cant touch (kamui isnt physical), he wont be immune to SM as some say and so on.

 

[KCMNaruto]

If used fast enough as a barrier, it should nullify it. Preta Path absorbs it also if used in time.

Exactly , I agree completly with that. Timming is key factor here which decides who will emerges victorious.

I think it would be cool to see it countered.

It wouldn't really damage the Jutsu's rep as it would basically speak volumes for how powerful it is. Only able to be countered [not dodging but actually going head to head] by Onmyoudon? Talk about OP.

Again logical and nice reply . Yes I think Kishi should finally set some limit/bound for Kamui being unable to surprass it.

Onymoudon couldn't even stop Tobirama from teleporting Jinchuriki Obito via space-time ninjutsu(Hiraishin), what makes you think it would stop Jinchuriki Madara to be teleported in this case?

Here we go again. The problem isn't that Onmyoudon does not work on Space time Ninjutsu in this case Hirashin... because it clearly does if it comes in contact with Onmyoudon.

You reffer to this panel:

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^^ In this case Obito was distracted by Minato appearing in front of attacking Sasuke and Naruto, Tobirama says it all "He was distracted"

Other examples are irrelevant as Hirashin was not used directly on Obito but only as mean to get to him. Read my other thread to get my point:

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Conclusion:

- Onmyoudon is not automatic defence so it depends on right timming to work on Space Time Ninjutsu... exactly timming is key factor here
- Not enough reaction time does not allow Onmyoudon to be used in time and it won't work

If onmyudon can't stop ftg..why would it stop kamui?
You guys should know by now space time ninjutsu> everything else.

read post above

For gods sake. Why do people look into limiting madara's opponents all the time?
Isnt it enough that madz got so6p power, and unlike Obito he isnt kind hearted who will be testing naruto's determination.
Instead of giving madara run for his money people just want him to win on a mere thought?

I remember how NB was going "oh juubi progenitor of chakra, all things, a god and what not" - pinned down by hashi, raped by team 7 and fodders.

Then Obito, "oh the 2nd sage, omnyoudon, god's sword" Couldnt even remove FTG mark, blitzed by S/T, the shield and sword owned by rasengans and PS + kurama. Yeah he lost due to the plot but he had weaknesses.

So will you ever learn? Madara isnt immune to ninjutsu, he cant cancel what he cant touch (kamui isnt physical), he wont be immune to SM as some say and so on.

Well to be honest you brought good point here

but I disagree with some, please also read my reply Third from top of my post

 

[AlphaScythian]

Man it already was discussed.
Kamui isnt made of chakra but powered by it, hence preta wouldnt work. Can preta absorb S/T? NO.

Kamui is a portal between dimensions, its an entrance, it isnt made of anything it cant be destroyed or negated. Can madara negate a entrance space in door that is linking two worlds? NO.

There are lots of other way madara can counter kamui. Madara has sensing, madara has info on it too. A mist technique or even that katon he used a while ago.
Defeat the sight = defeat kamui. Before hand clones too.
Just dont make it too easy for madara now.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Lol....stop hating on the one shot king.

Most of you are not even using logic here.

Answer me this:

WHAT THE HELL WOULD THE PRETA PATH ABSORB? Space?

By that logic he could around just absorbing the air around him.

There has to be something with physical substance for it to be absorbed. Kamui is not. It's more like a worm hole between 2 demensions. You can't really classify it as anything physical. It's just....there.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Lol....stop hating on the one shot king.

Most of you are not even using logic here.

Answer me this:

WHAT THE HELL WOULD THE PRETA PATH ABSORB? Space?

By that logic he could around just absorbing the air around him.

There has to be something with physical substance for it to be absorbed. Kamui is not. It's more like a worm hole between 2 demensions. You can't really classify it as anything physical. It's just....there.

Ok, you have point against Preta path not working on Kamui.

However Onmyoudon nullifies Kamui, just deal with it

 

[miromiro]

Exactly , I agree completly with that. Timming is key factor here which decides who will emerges victorious.

Yep, and in a 1 on 1 fight with Kakashi, current Madara has the upper hand speed-wise.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Yep, and in a 1 on 1 fight with Kakashi, current Madara has the upper hand speed-wise.

Exaxtly I couldn't said it better ... but let's stop for now and wait for feats in incomming chapters. Now it is pointless to talk about it any further as we can only speculate .

I wish I could rep you but I have first to spread some my rep ;/

 

[KCMNaruto]

Yep, and in a 1 on 1 fight with Kakashi, current Madara has the upper hand speed-wise.

Exaxtly I couldn't said it better ... but let's stop for now and wait for feats in incomming chapters. Now it is pointless to talk about it any further as we can only speculate .

I wish I could rep you but I have first to spread some my rep ;/

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It costed me a lot efforts so I would be glad if you leave feedback in that thread , thank you

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Well, the Omnyoudo is certainly OP, but even it can't kill what it can't hit. Maybye the intangibility power of Kamui isn't broken by omnyoudo, because it isn't touched by it. Who knows.

Although, as for nullifying the warping, i would say that it could, if the omnyoudo orbs reached the centre of the warp before anything else. Anywthing else would be stuck in the kamui dimension or just obliterated.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Well, the Omnyoudo is certainly OP, but even it can't kill what it can't hit. Maybye the intangibility power of Kamui isn't broken by omnyoudo, because it isn't touched by it. Who knows.

Although, as for nullifying the warping, i would say that it could, if the omnyoudo orbs reached the centre of the warp before anything else. Anywthing else would be stuck in the kamui dimension or just obliterated.

Well that is true of course... please read my thread to know more about Onmyoudon:

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Onmyoudon is not specifically black fluid substance shaped into orbs or other desired shapes... it is something no physical so anything using on area's around the user get negated...