Israel is wrong, right?

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I'm not saying they are completely wrong, but it seems a little more complicated than just saying they are defending their nation, I get that people are acting like terrorists and hooligans but Israel is not completely right, right?


 

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They - Israel - and the surrounding nations shouldn't exist were it not for France and British screwing things up when they said the Ottoman empire lands will have sovereignty.



They are all in the wrong but mainly Israel as they were not peoples of the middle east for the longest time, except of the select few that had lived there before. The claim of Israelis is that that was their ancestral home. Yet that place has been conquered by many peoples since then such as the christians and muslims.

The video above however explains that even if Israel never became a thing, those nations that exist now would still be in turmoil that they find themselves in due to said decision.

At this point, both muslims and jews are in the wrong. They are killing each other discriminantly.
 
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USA/Israel and many western nations are legit war criminals. but who is ever gonna stand up to them? people try but the way UNO is build there is nothing anyone can do, unless they themselves would admit it.
just gonna leave this one here:
[video=youtube;KDRuOhLLta0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDRuOhLLta0[/video]
 

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This is the true. No one knows who has the true. They fight.
Havent you learned nothing from Naruto?

It is a cycle of no end until surrender. But for sure, Israel has innocent lives so they are the ones that dont deserve death.
 

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If it can be explained somewhat simply
The same way Europeans came and moved out the native americans
Israel did that to the palestines.
 

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If it can be explained somewhat simply
The same way Europeans came and moved out the native americans
Israel did that to the palestines.
I know little, but I know that much, so it makes sense for them to be angry, it's not right for them to start riots and stuff but it seems like Israel is being way too aggresive towards them.
 

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Israel is Proof god exists.It has not perished after so many countries wanting it eliminated.Bible says Israel would never perish and that statement holds to be true to this day.
 

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Israel needs to get the **** is all. It doesn't even matter how harshly they've been targeted by neighbors because they shouldn't have gone there to begin with. Why would anyone think displacing people to form a country in the middle east is a good idea... I seriously don't understand how anyone can side with them.
 

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Although I don't know the details properly of that protest, but it's well known Hamas systematically attacks Israel on daily basis and it is the right of Israel to defend itself from a terrorist organization that has for multiple times called out for genocide of Jews, not Israelites but Jews entirely. So Israel has the right to defend itself, but obviously this doesn't excuse it to commit crimes just like Palestinians.

I used to blame Israel for all the conflicts, but as I have read the history of the conflict properly and interpreted statistics, I came to conclusion Israel clearly is the better state in the entire Middle Eastern region. This is coming from a Middle Eastern person.
 
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We'll they took a country already belonging to the people and been trying to wipe them5out and more so the world let's it happen they do say Israel's wrong for it but they gave Palestine to them in the first place
 

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Israel is doing things right. For Palestine it is like some alien tribe that you are systematically indoctrinated to hate takes your home so you go on claiming you will genocide them while you don't have any resources to do so and you keep throwing rocks at them because other people who also hate them encourage you to do so.
 

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It ultimately doesn't matter. The Jews and Arabs have been at each others throats since their genesis as ethnic groups and they will continue to slaughter each into eternity if they can.

The only rational response to that conflict is non-interventionism, basically let the Jews and Arabs do their thing and pay them no attention and most importantly of all, do not import them and therefore their conflict into your own state. Most East Asian states maintain this approach to Middle Eastern politics in general and it's working well for them.
 

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It ultimately doesn't matter. The Jews and Arabs have been at each others throats since their genesis as ethnic groups and they will continue to slaughter each into eternity if they can.

The only rational response to that conflict is non-interventionism, basically let the Jews and Arabs do their thing and pay them no attention and most importantly of all, do not import them and therefore their conflict into your own state. Most East Asian states maintain this approach to Middle Eastern politics in general and it's working well for them.
Considering how a great percentage of American success stems from Jewish entrepreneurs, had the US not imported Jewish immigrants as you ignorantly suggested, you wouldn't use many of the great things you have right now.
 

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I'm not saying they are completely wrong, but it seems a little more complicated than just saying they are defending their nation, I get that people are acting like terrorists and hooligans but Israel is not completely right, right?
It's a complicated bag. In many ways, the people who live in Israel are not wrong for defending their lives, property, and system of governance. The problem comes from the more complicated history of Israel's formation and their government's tendency to act via proxy.... as well as the history of the Jewish religion in the first place.

The extent of it all goes well beyond what most people can actually discuss. The moment you bring up Israel and Jews - reasonable discussion flies out the window. A number of people, rightfully, are extremely hesitant to jump on the 'bash Israel' bandwagon, as a number of the people on that bandwagon are extremely anti-western, as well.

However, what can be more rationally discussed is the move by Israel to create "Greater Israel" - which involves the dissolution of Syria and the Assad regime. Much of the conflict in Syria has been driven by Israel's use of proxies, to include the Islamic State and the U.S. support of anti-Assad forces, also affiliated with the Islamic State (by as many as 70% of their structure shared with that of the Islamic State).

This should give many reasonable people caution in jumping to blindly defend Israel from criticism. Further, a read through the Talmud would be most enlightening for many. As I have previously stated that the Qu'ran should give any sensible person pause to defend Islam - so, too, should it be with the Talmud and Israel's actions abroad.

POTUS is not a fool, there is a reason Jerusalem was recognized as the capitol of Israel. It is symbolic. To understand why - we must look to a particular book from the Bible from the prophet Ezekiel. The whole of the book is, effectively, a lambasting of Israel and the Pharisee. However, we can look specifically to chapter 16 for an extensive look:

1The word of the Lord came to me: 2“Son of man, confront Jerusalem with her detestable practices 3and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says to Jerusalem: Your ancestry and birth were in the land of the Canaanites; your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite. 4On the day you were born your cord was not cut, nor were you washed with water to make you clean, nor were you rubbed with salt or wrapped in cloths. 5No one looked on you with pity or had compassion enough to do any of these things for you. Rather, you were thrown out into the open field, for on the day you were born you were despised.

6“ ‘Then I passed by and saw you kicking about in your blood, and as you lay there in your blood I said to you, “Live!”a 7I made you grow like a plant of the field. You grew and developed and entered puberty. Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown, yet you were stark naked.

8“ ‘Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your naked body. I gave you my solemn oath and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Sovereign Lord, and you became mine.

9“ ‘I bathed you with water and washed the blood from you and put ointments on you. 10I clothed you with an embroidered dress and put sandals of fine leather on you. I dressed you in fine linen and covered you with costly garments. 11I adorned you with jewelry: I put bracelets on your arms and a necklace around your neck, 12and I put a ring on your nose, earrings on your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. 13So you were adorned with gold and silver; your clothes were of fine linen and costly fabric and embroidered cloth. Your food was honey, olive oil and the finest flour. You became very beautiful and rose to be a queen. 14And your fame spread among the nations on account of your beauty, because the splendor I had given you made your beauty perfect, declares the Sovereign Lord.

15“ ‘But you trusted in your beauty and used your fame to become a prostitute. You lavished your favors on anyone who passed by and your beauty became his. 16You took some of your garments to make gaudy high places, where you carried on your prostitution. You went to him, and he possessed your beauty.b 17You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them. 18And you took your embroidered clothes to put on them, and you offered my oil and incense before them. 19Also the food I provided for you—the flour, olive oil and honey I gave you to eat—you offered as fragrant incense before them. That is what happened, declares the Sovereign Lord.

20“ ‘And you took your sons and daughters whom you bore to me and sacrificed them as food to the idols. Was your prostitution not enough? 21You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols. 22In all your detestable practices and your prostitution you did not remember the days of your youth, when you were naked and bare, kicking about in your blood.

23“ ‘Woe! Woe to you, declares the Sovereign Lord. In addition to all your other wickedness, 24you built a mound for yourself and made a lofty shrine in every public square. 25At every street corner you built your lofty shrines and degraded your beauty, spreading your legs with increasing promiscuity to anyone who passed by. 26You engaged in prostitution with the Egyptians, your neighbors with large genitals, and aroused my anger with your increasing promiscuity. 27So I stretched out my hand against you and reduced your territory; I gave you over to the greed of your enemies, the daughters of the Philistines, who were shocked by your lewd conduct. 28You engaged in prostitution with the Assyrians too, because you were insatiable; and even after that, you still were not satisfied. 29Then you increased your promiscuity to include Babylonia,c a land of merchants, but even with this you were not satisfied.

30“ ‘I am filled with fury against you,d declares the Sovereign Lord, when you do all these things, acting like a brazen prostitute! 31When you built your mounds at every street corner and made your lofty shrines in every public square, you were unlike a prostitute, because you scorned payment.

32“ ‘You adulterous wife! You prefer strangers to your own husband! 33All prostitutes receive gifts, but you give gifts to all your lovers, bribing them to come to you from everywhere for your illicit favors. 34So in your prostitution you are the opposite of others; no one runs after you for your favors. You are the very opposite, for you give payment and none is given to you.

35“ ‘Therefore, you prostitute, hear the word of the Lord! 36This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because you poured out your lust and exposed your naked body in your promiscuity with your lovers, and because of all your detestable idols, and because you gave them your children’s blood, 37therefore I am going to gather all your lovers, with whom you found pleasure, those you loved as well as those you hated. I will gather them against you from all around and will strip you in front of them, and they will see you stark naked. 38I will sentence you to the punishment of women who commit adultery and who shed blood; I will bring on you the blood vengeance of my wrath and jealous anger. 39Then I will deliver you into the hands of your lovers, and they will tear down your mounds and destroy your lofty shrines. They will strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry and leave you stark naked. 40They will bring a mob against you, who will stone you and hack you to pieces with their swords. 41They will burn down your houses and inflict punishment on you in the sight of many women. I will put a stop to your prostitution, and you will no longer pay your lovers. 42Then my wrath against you will subside and my jealous anger will turn away from you; I will be calm and no longer angry.

43“ ‘Because you did not remember the days of your youth but enraged me with all these things, I will surely bring down on your head what you have done, declares the Sovereign Lord. Did you not add lewdness to all your other detestable practices?

44“ ‘Everyone who quotes proverbs will quote this proverb about you: “Like mother, like daughter.” 45You are a true daughter of your mother, who despised her husband and her children; and you are a true sister of your sisters, who despised their husbands and their children. Your mother was a Hittite and your father an Amorite. 46Your older sister was Samaria, who lived to the north of you with her daughters; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you with her daughters, was Sodom. 47You not only followed their ways and copied their detestable practices, but in all your ways you soon became more depraved than they. 48As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done.

49“ ‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. 51Samaria did not commit half the sins you did. You have done more detestable things than they, and have made your sisters seem righteous by all these things you have done. 52Bear your disgrace, for you have furnished some justification for your sisters. Because your sins were more vile than theirs, they appear more righteous than you. So then, be ashamed and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.

53“ ‘However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them, 54so that you may bear your disgrace and be ashamed of all you have done in giving them comfort. 55And your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to what they were before; and you and your daughters will return to what you were before. 56You would not even mention your sister Sodom in the day of your pride, 57before your wickedness was uncovered. Even so, you are now scorned by the daughters of Edome and all her neighbors and the daughters of the Philistines—all those around you who despise you. 58You will bear the consequences of your lewdness and your detestable practices, declares the Lord.

59“ ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will deal with you as you deserve, because you have despised my oath by breaking the covenant. 60Yet I will remember the covenant I made with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you. 61Then you will remember your ways and be ashamed when you receive your sisters, both those who are older than you and those who are younger. I will give them to you as daughters, but not on the basis of my covenant with you. 62So I will establish my covenant with you, and you will know that I am the Lord. 63Then, when I make atonement for you for all you have done, you will remember and be ashamed and never again open your mouth because of your humiliation, declares the Sovereign Lord.’ ”

I believe the phrase is: "It's about time to smack-a-ho."
 
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