isn't sage mode jiraiya still greater than edo madara(with all techs shown so far)

[Codex]

Meteors, dude. Meteors. Granted, they are apparently the slowest moving meteors ever. But still... meteors.

 

[Uchiha Leader]

Meteors, dude. Meteors. Granted, they are apparently the slowest moving meteors ever. But still... meteors.

that's why jiraiya could just trap madara while he is performing the tech or just transport himself to mount myoboku

 

[6 Paths of Pain]

Hmm maybe but people wont just understand your reasoning and they look at thread and say nah too much for j-man , but he has a chance people say he wont because he was defeated by 6pop and naruto defeated 6 pop in sage mode but 6pop might be the strongest group/1person in NU other than so6p because you have to know how to defeat them or its game over, im pretty sure j-man hasnt shown everything in his arsenal.

 

[narutogrg]

edo madara is too strong for jiraya.perfect susano and jiraya's gone

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

ok


i kust think jiraiya actually had a chance the only reason why jiriaya lost was becuase he didn't know nagato secret and turned his back but you can be right

That's the point of a ninja battle. You are setting too much store by what Nagato said about "If he didn't know my secret, I wouldn't have won".

A ninja in Naruto would be stupid to reveal his secrets to ANYONE because then you can reveal ways around it. You don't just say, "Hey, I'm about to weave 42 hand signs, and then a dragon will materialize from water and come at you. Feel free to use the Hiding Like A Mole Technique to burrow underground so you can avoid my technique". The point is to KILL the guy.

And no, Jiraiya has no chance. Madara is toying with the 5 Kage. And I know the A>B>C shit is not valid in Naruto, but to a VERY little extent, it is when you're pitting a character who is so massively overpowered against five of some of the strongest ninja in the world and you're only toying with them.

Madara is changing landscapes. Judging by what I saw before he busted out final Susano'o, I thought that Naruto stood a chance to defeat him with his new Bijuu Mode. But now, Madara is just busting out overpowered jutsu.

And as to your thing about the fire sealing scroll, first off, Jiraiya would have to come prepared for that. When he used it to seal Amaterasu, he wrote out the seal first THEN sealed it later. This suggests that he does not have it pre-made. In heat of battle with an opponent like Madara, Jiraiya won't have time to write the seal down then seal the fire. You think the battle will go as you simulate it in your head when in reality, there are so many different outcomes that are in Madara's favor.

 

[Οdin]

Hmm maybe but people wont just understand your reasoning and they look at thread and say nah too much for j-man , but he has a chance people say he wont because he was defeated by 6pop and naruto defeated 6 pop in sage mode but 6pop might be the strongest group/1person in NU other than so6p because you have to know how to defeat them or its game over, im pretty sure j-man hasnt shown everything in his arsenal.

That's why we say he can't defeat Madara. We honestly have not seen enough from him that would make us believe he'll come out victorious in a fight.

 

[Hexuze]

No, edo Madara is just too strong for anyone human, except so6p.

What kinda scares me about this is that he only has a fraction of the so6p power.

 

[Myogen]

Jiraiya is a Top Tier shinobi, but Madara is a tier above that. Jiraiya especially in Sennin Modo could handle a few of Madara's techniques and knowing Madara's style of messing around against his opponents he wouldn't get pwned, but he has no counter to Madara's casual usage of map altering techniques. Flower Tree World, Perfect Susano'o, and Meteors would all prove too much for Sennin Modo Jiraiya.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Hmm maybe but people wont just understand your reasoning and they look at thread and say nah too much for j-man , but he has a chance people say he wont because he was defeated by 6pop and naruto defeated 6 pop in sage mode but 6pop might be the strongest group/1person in NU other than so6p because you have to know how to defeat them or its game over, im pretty sure j-man hasnt shown everything in his arsenal.

If he hasn't shown more from his arsenal by the time he died, and since he can't be resurrected, logic would dictate that he's shown everything in his arsenal. His death was part of a way for Kishimoto to say, "He's done everything he could do".

Since it's likely Jiraiya will never be in the story alive, we have to base our opinions on what we KNOW he can do and not what we THINK he can do.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Jirayia has never shown fire seal in actual battle. It would leave him open to attack while sealing the fire anyway.

Madara can absorb any ninjutsu fired at him and even if he didn't Jiraiya can't burn Susanoo away.

No way in hell can the toad's stomach contain Perfect Susanoo. The giant toad is a lot smaller.

Even without me laying things out you should know that Jiraiya can't beat Madara if he couldn't beat Pain.

 

[Mugen Tsukyomi]

I wonder why j-man didn't do what you said against pain, oh wai-

 

[bl4ckJack]

Edo - Madara will beat him ... sorry pal ... becoz of that bold Part !

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

Well, with plot no jutsu anyone can beat everyone.

 

[bl4ckJack]

Well, with plot no jutsu anyone can beat everyone.

Well This is The Absolute Truth ^ xd

 

[Pobi]

if he solos the five kages why would jiraya be a problem

 

[Uchiha Leader]

That's the point of a ninja battle. You are setting too much store by what Nagato said about "If he didn't know my secret, I wouldn't have won".

A ninja in Naruto would be stupid to reveal his secrets to ANYONE because then you can reveal ways around it. You don't just say, "Hey, I'm about to weave 42 hand signs, and then a dragon will materialize from water and come at you. Feel free to use the Hiding Like A Mole Technique to burrow underground so you can avoid my technique". The point is to KILL the guy.

And no, Jiraiya has no chance. Madara is toying with the 5 Kage. And I know the A>B>C shit is not valid in Naruto, but to a VERY little extent, it is when you're pitting a character who is so massively overpowered against five of some of the strongest ninja in the world and you're only toying with them.

Madara is changing landscapes. Judging by what I saw before he busted out final Susano'o, I thought that Naruto stood a chance to defeat him with his new Bijuu Mode. But now, Madara is just busting out overpowered jutsu.

And as to your thing about the fire sealing scroll, first off, Jiraiya would have to come prepared for that. When he used it to seal Amaterasu, he wrote out the seal first THEN sealed it later. This suggests that he does not have it pre-made. In heat of battle with an opponent like Madara, Jiraiya won't have time to write the seal down then seal the fire. You think the battle will go as you simulate it in your head when in reality, there are so many different outcomes that are in Madara's favor.

your right but this is jiraiya with sage mode and everything prepared and i'm just saying madara the way he is now with his tech can jiraiya stand a chance but madara has a higher chance of winning but i just think toad techs would help more than the 5 kages abilities.

What kinda scares me about this is that he only has a fraction of the so6p power.

lol

That's why we say he can't defeat Madara. We honestly have not seen enough from him that would make us believe he'll come out victorious in a fight.

most likely he wouldn't win but there could be a chance

Jiraiya is a Top Tier shinobi, but Madara is a tier above that. Jiraiya especially in Sennin Modo could handle a few of Madara's techniques and knowing Madara's style of messing around against his opponents he wouldn't get pwned, but he has no counter to Madara's casual usage of map altering techniques. Flower Tree World, Perfect Susano'o, and Meteors would all prove too much for Sennin Modo Jiraiya.

i just think the toad stomach can trap amerterasu since it's actually flexible and can handle madara techs only amerterasu can get you out.

Jirayia has never shown fire seal in actual battle. It would leave him open to attack while sealing the fire anyway.

Madara can absorb any ninjutsu fired at him and even if he didn't Jiraiya can't burn Susanoo away.

No way in hell can the toad's stomach contain Perfect Susanoo. The giant toad is a lot smaller.

Even without me laying things out you should know that Jiraiya can't beat Madara if he couldn't beat Pain.

I wonder why j-man didn't do what you said against pain, oh wai-

but i am saying jjiraya is prepared and can just use the seal right away,yea but the toads size doesn't really matter it may look small but it can contain massive things.
madara would most likely win but i just think jiraya would have a high chance of restraining madara, the kages techs can't restrrain madara but jiraiya has tech to do so but madara would probably win

 

[Uchiha Leader]

if he solos the five kages why would jiraya be a problem

he has tech to actually restrain and counterr madara the kages just have a certain types of techs but they can't restrain madara at all, they depended on gaara to restain madara but couldn't since gaara seal is not flexible