[Discussion] Isn't it Kinda Sad

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1) Show it, I can't remember any of that.
2) why does he need it for 'show' there are no advantages to one super fast arm and a slow body
3) asspull explanation, so he can control his blood flow now to certain limbs ?

Yes Oda is known for drawing detail's, I'm not blaming Oda for drawing not enough smoke I blame everybody who sees only smoke around the arm and conclude that there is such a thing as partial Gear 2.

Show me clear panels in the manga where Luffy uses partial Gear 2 only on his hands or legs and I will be convinced. And let's say the one you posted doesn't count for the sake of the argument.
Don't look at the smoke around Luffy, but notice the lack of smoke around his body, but only present in his arm (Yes, it's fire, but you know what I mean, the only steam is coming from his arm)
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Don't look at the smoke around Luffy, but notice the lack of smoke around his body, but only present in his arm (Yes, it's fire, but you know what I mean, the only steam is coming from his arm)
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Still not convinced, In the big panel there is plenty of smoke around his body, and the fire/explosion is behind Hody so it's not smoke it's steam. The rest of the panels are focused on his arm.

Also in the rest of the fight Luffy was constantly in G2, so why would he suddenly switch ?
 

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Notice how he completely dodged the Diable Jambe/Hell Memories points that break the basis of his argument.
Nobody even replied to you. I'm not going to waste my time on baseless arguments or compare things that can't be compared.

Diable Jambe got an explaination in the manga WHY it works. you can agree or disagree with it. But it's bullshit to assume that Luffy 'mastered' his blood flow during the timeskip.

Notice how you still didn't post anything to prove the existence of partial G2. You can talk about all the unrelated stuff in the world or assume everything you want. Doesn't make it any more real though.

Oda works very close with Toei, so why is it that he never told them yo guys can you please start to incorporate partial G2 ?

Because that is what he did with the shrinkage after g3. He told them, I'm not going to do that anymore in advance.

Apart from 1 dodge panel there is nothing that supports the existence of that useless technique you made up
 

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Nobody even replied to you. I'm not going to waste my time on baseless arguments or compare things that can't be compared.

Diable Jambe got an explaination in the manga WHY it works. you can agree or disagree with it. But it's bullshit to assume that Luffy 'mastered' his blood flow during the timeskip.

Notice how you still didn't post anything to prove the existence of partial G2. You can talk about all the unrelated stuff in the world or assume everything you want. Doesn't make it any more real though.

Oda works very close with Toei, so why is it that he never told them yo guys can you please start to incorporate partial G2 ?

Because that is what he did with the shrinkage after g3. He told them, I'm not going to do that anymore in advance.

Apart from 1 dodge panel there is nothing that supports the existence of that useless technique you made up
No one replied because you're the only still doubting this and the only one it was directed to. You never reply to solid arguments that could prove you wrong, you just call them random insults because you can never admit that you were wrong.

There was a logical explanation for Gear 2 and WHY it happens as well, same as there was a logical explanation for DJ and WHY it happens.

You're now saying there is no logical explanation of how Luffy can localize the accelerated blood flow, therefore Gear 2 can't exist. However, there is also no logical explanation as to how Sanji can now ignite his leg. The explanation given before was that he span, friction created heat that combusted the oxygen, and thus his leg ignited on fire. That explanation was ABANDONED because he can cause the combustion without spinning. What's the cause of this combustion?

You said Gear 2 also doesn't exist because what's the benefit? Why use it on just one part of his body when it can be done to the entire part? We have an answer, and that's because Gear 2 depletes the nutrients, and the energy, of his body when he fights. By using it on just his arm, just the nutrients of his arm has started to deplete. Luffy needed just one blow to defeat the Pacisfista, it's possible he could tell because of his use of Observation Haki right before when he dodged the Pacifista's lasers on the Pacifista, which gave him a general sense of the Pacifista's strength and therefore how much effort he needed to defeat it. Add the fact that Luffy also had to escape the island so he would need to conserve energy to the fact that he knew he'd only need one blow with his arm to defeat the Pacifista, it makes sense that he used Partial Gear 2 then because it means he'd waste no excess nutrients and energy needed for his escape from the island, while still having the strength in his one blow to defeat the Pacifista. While Luffy is an idiot, he is a battle genius and learns from his battles. It'd make sense he'd develop a way to conserve energy while still being able to deal the needed damage because wasting energy at Impel Down and MF was one of the reasons that led to Ace dying. Luffy wasted too much energy and couldn't move away from Akainu's attack, he fell, leading to Ace having to jump in and die.

Back to the Sanji analogy, what benefit would he gain from using Diable Jambe on just one leg if he can use it on both? What benefit would he get from using DJ on his legs only when he can ignite his entire body with Hell Memories?

You also cite that why would Luffy use Gear 2 just once there if it's so beneficial, and not later. The explanation for that is simple, he wasn't in a similar situation since. Unlike his escape from Sabaody, Luffy hasn't been in a situation where he absolutely needed to conserve energy.
But I can further the analogy to Sanji on this front as well with Hell Memories. Why would Sanji only use Hell Memories, which appears to be his strongest move so far, just once? Why not against Vergo? And especially why not against Doflamingo, who was about to murder his nakama?

If the fact that we don't have a logical explanation for how Luffy can localize accelerated blood flow means localizing it is impossible, then it also means the fact that we don't have a logical explanation as to how Sanji can ignite his legs without spinning mean that no-spin Diable Jambe is impossible?

If the fact that you see using a full Gear 2 is more beneficial than using a partial Gear 2 as reason enough as to why partial Gear 2 doesn't exist, then the fact that DJ being on one leg is less beneficial than two, and DJ on two is less beneficial than Hell Memories means DJ shouldn't exist either.

If the fact that partial Gear 2 was just used once and not again on stronger enemies(already explained as to why this makes sense, as against the Pacifista full G2 would exhaust more energy than needed at a time he needed to conserve energy while his future enemies have either required the full G2 energy deplete or wasn't at a time when he needed to conserve energy) is reason enough as to why it doesn't exist, then the fact that Sanji has only used Hell Memories once and not again against stronger enemies means Hell Memories doesn't exist.

Even what you're saying about Toei can be extended to my Sanji analogy, if Oda is so close to them, why didn't he say "Yeah Sanji doesn't spin anymore" to them? Why'd he let them continue allowing Sanji to spin? Does this mean that Sanji still has to spin despite the manga showing otherwise?

To strengthen the relevance of my argument, let me rephrase what you're saying to commodate Sanji.

Your questions towards G2 that show it doesn't exist rephrased towards Sanji to show why his shit doesn't exist:
1. How does Sanji ignite his legs without spinning?

2. Let's pretend the page of Sanji using Hell Memories against the pufferfishman doesn't count, same way you said let's ignore the partial Gear 2 against the Pacifista: How does Hell Memories exist? How does he ignite his entire body just by getting mad? Why didn't he use it ever again, especially against stronger foes like Vergo and Doffy? Show me another clear page of him using it.

3. If he can ignite his entire body, what would be the use of using it in his legs only, or just one leg?

4. If Sanji no longer spins, why didn't he tell Toei to no longer let him spin in the anime? Why does he still spin in the anime?
 

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Luffy doesn't use Soru.

Maybe Soru inspired, but Soru is just speed from kicking the ground.

He was inspired by their tech, but his method of achieving that speed is different, pumping his blood.

If somebody can show me a single scan, since the 400+ chapters where he kicks the ground rather than a phony quote that doesn't explicitly state he's kicking the ground, then I'll believe you. Till then he doesn't use Soru.
 

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Luffy doesn't use Soru.

Maybe Soru inspired, but Soru is just speed from kicking the ground.

He was inspired by their tech, but his method of achieving that speed is different, pumping his blood.

If somebody can show me a single scan, since the 400+ chapters where he kicks the ground rather than a phony quote that doesn't explicitly state he's kicking the ground, then I'll believe you. Till then he doesn't use Soru.
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Explicit scan from a Rokushiki master that he's using Soru.
 

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What BS? The only time is when he uses the technique is when he's in Gear 2

Luffy doesn't use Soru.

Maybe Soru inspired, but Soru is just speed from kicking the ground.

He was inspired by their tech, but his method of achieving that speed is different, pumping his blood.

If somebody can show me a single scan, since the 400+ chapters where he kicks the ground rather than a phony quote that doesn't explicitly state he's kicking the ground, then I'll believe you. Till then he doesn't use Soru.
He pumps blood in order to increase his speed and kick the ground. The whole point is Luffy kicks the ground just like other users of Soru do, but he has to access Gear 2 in order to move that fast
 
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