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Rekt - this comment makes even ME want to turn from God
Islam is the religion of peace they say
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Yeah we're pretty tolerant cosidering the fact that somali and iraqi immigrants rape 13 times as much as a native in relation to the numbers of each groups. They also do much much more other crimes in relation to natives.
But then again the guy you quoted knows a few good muslims so there is no real problem and everything is just fine and dandy
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And you sound like a narrow-minded, naive child who believes the first things he sees. Did I say that all Muslims are peaceful? No, so stop putting words into my mouth. I know there are as bad as good, but that goes for anything and anyone.
You conveniently seem to forget that the people fighting IS in the Middle East are Muslims themselves. And all your "statistics" are outdated; actually on topic?
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All of these are predominately Muslim countries where Islamic culture is the most pronounced. So what happened to your supposed belief that most Muslims are brainwashed terrorists? Besides, sympathizing and advocating are two different things.
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The only bullsh*tter is you. I've grown up in a very multicultural city and have witnessed and befriended, amongst other people of faith, Muslims. All of them only want peaceful, ordinary lives - not to adhere to Wahhabism and become brainwashed lunatics. This really hits home for me because of that, not to mention one of them was hit hard by the recent Paris attacks.
You've obviously never mixed with a normal Muslim community, so I don't half blame you for being so ornery and vile, but if I were you, I'd really stop and think. Because if you can't see what you reflect, you need to start looking hard.
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For a guy who claims I am a 14 years old. You really have a shit reading comphrehence. No I never claimed the world is full of sunshine and rainbows. I accept the fact this stuff happens in every walk of life. Since the day mankind was created stuff like this has been happening. That is why there is no point of pointing fingers at one religion.
Nope if you did than you would see how every other human has done these similiar thing as Isis. You instead point fingers based on baseless numbers you picked up from random sources.
Are you muslim? Do you know the religion like I do? How can you claim such things when you do not even live that life? I am fully aware of what kind of people this religion has. And I can tell you that majority of them are just not my type. But that doesn't mean they are the most worst people in the world like you like to claim them to be. Its just how humanity is. We are racist, judgemental, hard on our own people. Its like another day of the world to me. I was assuming your 65 year old mind can handle that fact. I guess not cause you think we are the absolute worst people.
I am sorry but if there is a study out there claiming muslims are the absolute worst people. Than that is nothing more than baseless to me. Cause humanity has many of those murderers around. No numbers will change that fact. So don't try me.
Those millions don't repersent those trillions out there in the world. So nice try.
@bold: Islam is not telling those people what to do. They are doing it themselves. Next time try to learn the difference between people and the book they read. Thank you.
I am not even gonna bother replying to this crap cause I am sick of repeating myself. Also half of this stuff is like totally off topic.
You focus your hate on Islam while ignoring the others involved in making it happen. From what I get off your replies you are just an all out hater who has nothing better to do than post numbers to make yourself seem intelligent. There absolutely no reason for me to continue this debate with you. Cause you have a very narrowed thinking. So I am done here.
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Another one who's only looking at one corner of the picture.
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Alot, I've met alot of messed up muslims.
You're completely backwards in your opinion, what matters is what they believe and want to do regardless of whether their religion agrees with them or not. If you are neutral in the face of evil, you have chosen the side of evil.
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1. Quote me the part where I said that you think that all muslims are peaceful. Yeap, you can't 'cause I didn't say it. So stop putting words in my mouth. The argument that I have been making from the get go has been that there's something wrong with islam and the muslim culture.
2. I prove my argument by listing you grievancies in countries in which islam is causing problems. Problems which other cultures are not causing. I will do it again:
-Tens of millions of muslims form a problem in the western countries with their silent approval of killing in the name of religion.
-Sharia law is a huge human rights problem in the Middle-East and Africa.
-Womens rights are in a horrible state in Middle-East (muslims being the major ethnicity in those countries).
-Muslim immigration has failed in Norway, Sweden, Britain, Finland, France, Holland and Germany. Proof are the economic and criminal statistics of those immigrants in relation to natives.
-26% of the 3 million muslims in USA think that suicide bombings are justified.
-Muslims wage war like barbarians in the Middle-East and have been doing so for decades.
-Women rights are in horrible state in India.
-China has a problem with islam terrorism and they are thinking of banning islam.
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3. Furthermore I provide researches, polls and statistics that support my claim. They also tell that a big part of muslims support this kind of mindset = problem in the culture.
4. You dismiss all these facts and you are basically basing your argument on this:
I haven't been to muslim countries so anything negative I say about this subject doesn't count 'cause I'm bias like that. Even if I'm using multiple neutral studies and statistics as a source for my argument. Also your subjective experience makes you say that your opinion is the right one despite the evidence. So I guess it's all fine and dandy 'cause what you say represents the reality of what all muslims want.
..GUESS WHAT: It doesn't! Yours or mine subjective experience doesn't mean sh1t in this conversation. And even your generalization of muslims based on your experience is flawed. Because clearly most muslims don't say out loud what kind of narrowminded douchebags they really are:
Pew poll analysis: Billion muslims want sharia law:
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page 46That's billion muslims in case you didn't notice. Billion muslims want a law that opresses women, discriminates homosexuals, promotes to violence and is a way to control people via totaliarism.
5. Some of the sources I linked are outdated before ISIS time yes. It's funny though that the mindset of some muslims hasn't changed even though they are mostly the victims. Here's proof:
You already quoted this study, but as it proves most of the muslim disapprove ISIS, it also proves that a surprisingly large amount support it:
"A new poll by the Pew Research Center reveals significant levels of support for ISIS within the Muslim world. In 11 representative nation-states, up to 14 percent of the population has a favorable opinion of ISIS"
Also a poll from Al-Jazeera suggests that 81% of arab muslims support ISIS. While this poll may not be entirely reliable, the numbers are still surprisingly high.
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Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
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6. Even though most of the muslim disapprove ISIS it doesn't change the fact that there was problems before ISIS and that the main problem is the attitude and culture and most of all the favour of Sharia law.
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How can 100% Muslims (including women) want to oppress women? Women want to oppress themselves? Women do have rights Hawker.
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Not everyone is going to agree with polls either. I certainly don't.
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Islam has 1,6 billion followers. The support number for sharia law that the poll suggested was about 1 biilion. And yes it most likely includes women.
If you haven't realized it already most muslim women support sharia law 'cause they don't know of anything better. They have been opressed to the point where they think that it's completely ok for them wear a veil that covers them from head to toe.
In conclusion and as a reply to your link: No religion should be viewed or thought as something that tells a person what their rights are. That's completely backwards and inhuman.
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War is at fault for it all look at world war 2 and the cold war
The Quran states phrases like "the rock cries out, there is a Jew behind me, kill him". That may not be an exact quote. Its been a fews years since I've read the Quran. The Quran teaches that if you are good and follow the religious law you "MAY" go to heaven but it also says if you die a martyr's death than you are guarenteed entrance in the highest level of heaven. Thats why moderate Muslims don't condem extremist, they are both following the Quran.
It took Muhammad over 30 years to write the Quran. When he started, he didn't have much power or influence and his writings in the Quran were more peaceful, as his power and influence grew, his writings became more strict and violent. Like Catholicism, Islamic leaders have created additional writings for instruction. I won't comment on those because I haven't done the research.
It took Muhammad over 30 years to write the Quran. When he started, he didn't have much power or influence and his writings in the Quran were more peaceful, as his power and influence grew, his writings became more strict and violent. Like Catholicism, Islamic leaders have created additional writings for instruction. I won't comment on those because I haven't done the research.
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Wow. Members here are as ignorant as ever. I really doubt the sanity of some people really.
How in the hell can you generalize such a huge community based off of some extremists that aren't even true Muslims. And before you run off making conclusions about something before having any knowhow regarding it whatsoever ,pls take the time to do some research and then talk. This absurdity is beyond bearable. That little boy in US who donated his pocket money to a mosque after it was vandalized has more sense than you grownups. It's really pathetic to see how low our intellect can be at times because our vision is so horribly clouded by what the media shows us and what's on the surface rather than looking beneath the surface and getting to the bottom of things.
How in the hell can you generalize such a huge community based off of some extremists that aren't even true Muslims. And before you run off making conclusions about something before having any knowhow regarding it whatsoever ,pls take the time to do some research and then talk. This absurdity is beyond bearable. That little boy in US who donated his pocket money to a mosque after it was vandalized has more sense than you grownups. It's really pathetic to see how low our intellect can be at times because our vision is so horribly clouded by what the media shows us and what's on the surface rather than looking beneath the surface and getting to the bottom of things.
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Bullshit.
Only idiots think IS = islam. Idiots accomplish very little. Love will persevere.
Only idiots think IS = islam. Idiots accomplish very little. Love will persevere.
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Shit stereotypical "non-ignorants" say:
1. ISIS is not Islam
2. Not all muslims are suicide bombers
3. You can't label a large group based on a select few rotten apples
4. I have muslim friends and they are OK
Yes, we all know that. Yet I wonder how many of these idiots actually read the original post before getting all hyped about scattering their overly tolerant bullshit everywhere. OP clearly stated he is aware of the innocents and feels sorry for them. Yet the presence of so many innocents does not change the fact that people get killed over a magazine cover, or that they are dying on a peaceful night out. I don't give a shit about your kind, awesome muslim friends, it's not them dying a timely death. It's people like you, getting terrorized in your own countries.
Thread poster is merely suggesting a radical option, saying they all need to go, because there is no way to tell them apart. After all they all identify themselves as Muslims. You can choose to let the innocent ones live in peace for the sake of tolerance and keep fearing a bomb going off every time you take the train or take your wife out to a restaurant, or just kick them all out indiscriminately. Either that, or the Islam religious authorities and representatives throughout these countries could conveniently alter their creed in such a way as to break themselves apart from these extremists. But so far, I don't really see anyone from the inside giving a shit.
P.S.: taking in a mass of immigrants and allowing them to live in communities of their own is just retarded. A more delicate approach is needed in order to properly integrate these Muslims within a society, and unless someone comes up with that, Frau Merkel should sit her wrinkly ass down, Europe has had its fill of Muslims.
1. ISIS is not Islam
2. Not all muslims are suicide bombers
3. You can't label a large group based on a select few rotten apples
4. I have muslim friends and they are OK
Yes, we all know that. Yet I wonder how many of these idiots actually read the original post before getting all hyped about scattering their overly tolerant bullshit everywhere. OP clearly stated he is aware of the innocents and feels sorry for them. Yet the presence of so many innocents does not change the fact that people get killed over a magazine cover, or that they are dying on a peaceful night out. I don't give a shit about your kind, awesome muslim friends, it's not them dying a timely death. It's people like you, getting terrorized in your own countries.
Thread poster is merely suggesting a radical option, saying they all need to go, because there is no way to tell them apart. After all they all identify themselves as Muslims. You can choose to let the innocent ones live in peace for the sake of tolerance and keep fearing a bomb going off every time you take the train or take your wife out to a restaurant, or just kick them all out indiscriminately. Either that, or the Islam religious authorities and representatives throughout these countries could conveniently alter their creed in such a way as to break themselves apart from these extremists. But so far, I don't really see anyone from the inside giving a shit.
P.S.: taking in a mass of immigrants and allowing them to live in communities of their own is just retarded. A more delicate approach is needed in order to properly integrate these Muslims within a society, and unless someone comes up with that, Frau Merkel should sit her wrinkly ass down, Europe has had its fill of Muslims.
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You're not quite getting it, Phoenix. You are a Pakistani living in Pakistan, correct? (One of the most savage countries)
We're not just talking ISIS here. We're talking the fact that east-asian/arabian muslims are a problem in Europe. Their religion and culture looks militant with the aggression that underlies the systematically indoctrinated sense of pride they uphold.
I'm talking the fact that the amount of muslim ***-offenders in my country topples the amount of native dutch ***-offenders. Most other crimes are young. muslim. men and carribean folks. Trouble makers in my school were primarily young muslim boys. I've always said their culture only focuses on thoroughly indoctrinating these children but does not focus on their upbringing towards western principals as much. The vile things I could tell you I witnessed by the hands of young muslim men.. Women wearing burkas completely flabbergasted when the 100% dutch mother of one of my best friends has the nerve to talk to a muslim man instead of her husband.. don't let me even start about the knife attacks on me..
Hawker is talking the fact that most ***-offenders in Finland are young muslim men. Most other crimes are young muslim men.
This goes for Sweden, Denmark, Germany, etc! I grew up between these savages. I have muslim friends who are good people in general but will stay silent about their approval of sharia law when they see our responses.
We are talking about everyday ordinary people. Not terrorist organisations only. It's obvious that western countries support ISIS by financing, arming and training them.
I think the very core of Islam, just like any other religion is peaceful indeed. Not that any self-proclaimed followers are capable of understanding these teachings, let alone apply them. But how can a supposedly peaceful community produce more criminals than the natives of western european nations?
Anywho, muslims keep defending themselves on the matter of ISIS which is understandable. But they tend to ignore the fact that 15 to 25% of the 1.6 billion muslims silently support sharia law or the outdated desert santa logic in general. Which makes for about 300 million muslims..almost the entire population of u.s.a.
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I shouldn't be, given that most people are uneducated and this is the internet where all BS runs unregulated, but I am stunned that so many people posting in this thread don't understand basic statistics and that a sample size does in fact represent a population.
All I need to know is that it's true that Muhammad beheaded people. And Muslims adore Muhammad despite that. I don't care what his reasoning was. If you follow a religion whose founder, a human, saw fit to decapitate people, I will not listen to you because you are morally f*cked up in the head.
I saw those pictures of Sharia Law in action and I nearly gagged. Horrifying and sickening. I wonder how many Muslims in this thread are willing to say that they think Sharia Law is horrible and barbaric.
All I need to know is that it's true that Muhammad beheaded people. And Muslims adore Muhammad despite that. I don't care what his reasoning was. If you follow a religion whose founder, a human, saw fit to decapitate people, I will not listen to you because you are morally f*cked up in the head.
I saw those pictures of Sharia Law in action and I nearly gagged. Horrifying and sickening. I wonder how many Muslims in this thread are willing to say that they think Sharia Law is horrible and barbaric.
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It's really hard for me not to insult you but I will try my best. It's truly astounding to me how you ignore existing problems, how you don't understand my arguments and how you intenionally or unintenionally misunderstand them. Classic pigeon chess situation.
No you did not, but you did however dismiss the problem with muslims by saying every walk of life has "bad apples". That's just your way of sugarcoating an actual existing problem and arguing it being a general phenomenon. Which it is not.
Again you don't understand the basis of my argument and I wonder where your reading comprehension skills are. This is not about ISIS, I repeat this is not about ISIS. Get that through your skull. It's about muslim culture in general.
But in other words you are saying: "It doesn't matter what studies or resercheas you use, I will not believe them 'cause they go against of what I believe." Typical person living in denial.
That's the great thing about science and researches. You don't actually have to subjectively experience it for you to analyse the data and establish the facts that has been presented to you. It doesn't matter if you or I don't like the results.
Don't you dare defend people who think it's right to discriminate, opress and use fear and the threat of violence to limit people's rights. All the persons who support sharia law are morally f*cked in the head. Actually all the followers of islam who follow this ideology which accepts these teachings are morally f*cked in the head. By following that ideology you accept everything it represents. Add to that you adore Muhammed who beheaded people. Don't you dare to victimize muslims.
You are once again turning this around on me and saying I'm the one who is judgemental and that people generally are like this which is not true since people in general (atleast in the west) believe the opposite of what values sharia law and koran teaches. Understand the differences between people who want to cover up women and beat homosexuals and people living in modern societies.
I feel like I'm just repeating myself because you don't understand the premise of my argument which is: There is something wrong in the muslim culture because it makes people believe in morally f*cked up values which try to limit people's rights as human beings. This is not about just the murderers, this is also about supporting those murderers. But just to clarify it's clear there's a big part of muslims that doesn't accept killing in the name of religion. I'm just adressing the problem that a big part of them do, not all, not even most, but a big part of them.
Yes they do and it's not trillions it's billions.
The whole basis of my argument is that muslims are blindfoldedly following the teachings of a book. That's the basis of your culture. Islam is a law religion. So yes it is telling them what to do. Your religion defines your culture.
I'm the narrowminded one and yet it is you who doesn't accept anything that goes against your opinion. I've analyzed this problem by using multiple researches and yet you deny everything and do not acknowledge the source of the problems. Add to that you don't have any solutions or arguments for those problems
It's very narrowminded to brush this all off just by attacking the person and saying they say that stuff because they hate that religon. No I say that stuff because it's out there, it's real and it's a problem. I don't care if your personal views and opinions clouds your mind, because its your problem, not mine, but do not try to turn this around on me.
No you did not, but you did however dismiss the problem with muslims by saying every walk of life has "bad apples". That's just your way of sugarcoating an actual existing problem and arguing it being a general phenomenon. Which it is not.
Again you don't understand the basis of my argument and I wonder where your reading comprehension skills are. This is not about ISIS, I repeat this is not about ISIS. Get that through your skull. It's about muslim culture in general.
But in other words you are saying: "It doesn't matter what studies or resercheas you use, I will not believe them 'cause they go against of what I believe." Typical person living in denial.
That's the great thing about science and researches. You don't actually have to subjectively experience it for you to analyse the data and establish the facts that has been presented to you. It doesn't matter if you or I don't like the results.
Don't you dare defend people who think it's right to discriminate, opress and use fear and the threat of violence to limit people's rights. All the persons who support sharia law are morally f*cked in the head. Actually all the followers of islam who follow this ideology which accepts these teachings are morally f*cked in the head. By following that ideology you accept everything it represents. Add to that you adore Muhammed who beheaded people. Don't you dare to victimize muslims.
You are once again turning this around on me and saying I'm the one who is judgemental and that people generally are like this which is not true since people in general (atleast in the west) believe the opposite of what values sharia law and koran teaches. Understand the differences between people who want to cover up women and beat homosexuals and people living in modern societies.
Once again you are saying: "lalalalalaaa I don't hear youuu, I don't believe any study or research or argument you say to me as long as it goes against my opinion." That's your definition of baseless. and it's obviously flawed logic.
I feel like I'm just repeating myself because you don't understand the premise of my argument which is: There is something wrong in the muslim culture because it makes people believe in morally f*cked up values which try to limit people's rights as human beings. This is not about just the murderers, this is also about supporting those murderers. But just to clarify it's clear there's a big part of muslims that doesn't accept killing in the name of religion. I'm just adressing the problem that a big part of them do, not all, not even most, but a big part of them.
Yes they do and it's not trillions it's billions.
The whole basis of my argument is that muslims are blindfoldedly following the teachings of a book. That's the basis of your culture. Islam is a law religion. So yes it is telling them what to do. Your religion defines your culture.
No you are not bothering to reply to those points because you can't deny them. They are happening and they are real. Tell me why are they off topic? The topic is about muslims and the argument that there is a problem in the muslim culture. Most of those problems are directly linked to muslim culture. They wouldn't be there without islam or muslims. Western countries don't have a problem with human rights. The fact is that countries in the Middle-East and Africa and Asia largely populated by muslims have them. Therefore muslim culture is the source for these problems as they repeatedly happen everywhere muslims go. It's an obvious pattern. Or do you have some other expalanation?
I'm the narrowminded one and yet it is you who doesn't accept anything that goes against your opinion. I've analyzed this problem by using multiple researches and yet you deny everything and do not acknowledge the source of the problems. Add to that you don't have any solutions or arguments for those problems
It's very narrowminded to brush this all off just by attacking the person and saying they say that stuff because they hate that religon. No I say that stuff because it's out there, it's real and it's a problem. I don't care if your personal views and opinions clouds your mind, because its your problem, not mine, but do not try to turn this around on me.
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Such a thread, at first I thought you guys were getting rekt and now you're raping anyone who comes into it.