[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?

[Punk Hazard]

Literally everywhere you write One Piece databook is shown with made by Oda...your denial game is too stronk hahahahahaha

Do you know what databook is? It's a bloody facts and things from certain volumes is it so hard to understand that Sabo is dead was probably from volumes where we didn't know anything about Sabo's situation.

What a shitty argument

You're missing the point: The databook becomes outdated. That makes it a flawed source of information because what it says are "facts" are subject to change. They'd be a reliable source of information if what they presented as "facts" remained facts no matter what happens in the manga. That, unfortunately, is not the case.

 

[loj]

That's why I said the databook is outdated. The story developed in a way that proved it to be wrong information. The same way that the crew's dynamic evolved as the story went on to the point where there is no hierarchy. At the time, Zoro was the closest thing to being the VC, but now, the crew's dynamic is at the point where no one is like the vice-captain.

Zoro never threatened to take over as captain. He jokingly told Luffy they'd need a different captain if he couldn't knock out as many Fishmen as he did, and then told Luffy later to simply takes things more seriously. Now you're just making things up. Sanji also said "He's so tough on himself," not on Luffy.

Just tell me why reason why would Oda change Zoro's position after that databook later in the story?

 

[loj]

You're missing the point: The databook becomes outdated. That makes it a flawed source of information because what it says are "facts" are subject to change. They'd be a reliable source of information if what they presented as "facts" remained facts no matter what happens in the manga. That, unfortunately, is not the case.

But the change that Oda said Zoro is something like vice-captain wasn't changed later in the story since Oda went the same way with Zoro he went before timeskip so again you are wrong and in denial...

 

[Venomous Cobra]

He didn't say it isn't valid. He said (that) the actual translation doesn't explicitly say what is being said in the other translations. He also added that number two could also mean V.C. if we follow the context which is what Cnet did in his translation.

I am not sure why words like fame and order would be used as they're totally out of context. "His bounty is only second highest, Yet his bounty is 120M" sounds a bit off, to be at least. Second best in strength or/and rank makes most sense out of everything you've listed. Sabo is being referred to as number two of Rev's and he is the second highest both in status and power. So, I think it's safe to say the same applies to Zoro as well.

He did

"I'm not saying he isn't. Zoro is obviously the acting first mate of Straw Hats.
I'm saying, Urouge's line cannot be used as proof of anything, because it's liberally interpreted, which for some reason, people hold as the holy bible over the actual original Japanese."

It would make sense if put in this format "He has the second biggest bounty, and its 120m" which would both confirm his placing and the size od his bounty. As for the strength, it is probably the case here, or I at least I believe.

Literally everywhere you write One Piece databook is shown with made by Oda...your denial game is too stronk hahahahahaha

Do you know what databook is? It's a bloody facts and things from certain volumes is it so hard to understand that Sabo is dead was probably from volumes where we didn't know anything about Sabo's situation.

What a shitty argument

Frequency=/=Accuracy


Sabo was never confirmed dead
Oda never confirmed either in an interview so why would he do it a Databook?

Anything else but petty insults?

 

[Punk Hazard]

But the change that Oda said Zoro is something like vice-captain wasn't changed later in the story since Oda went the same way with Zoro he went before timeskip so again you are wrong and in denial...

It has because the dynamic of the crew has evolved and changed throughout the manga to the point that there is no hierarchy within them after Luffy's status as captain. Zoro being the vice captain conflicts with how Oda has portrayed the dynamic of the crew, especially after Enie's Lobby.

 

[loj]

Just why am I even trying...

Oda said Zoro is something like vice-captain Riker and Cobra say he isn't...Ok...

Oda showed how Zoro acts like vice-captain Riker and Cobra say...he didn't...Ok...

I'm out.I'm just wasting my time now for no reason...I won't even ask you who do you think is the vice-captain or at least who acts like one since it's probs Usopp and Sanji which makes no sense what so ever...

 

[Punk Hazard]

Just why am I even trying...

Oda said Zoro is something like vice-captain Riker and Cobra say he isn't...Ok...

Oda showed how Zoro acts like vice-captain Riker and Cobra say...he didn't...Ok...

Why do you keep going back to a source that isn't valid lmfao I guess no matter how many times we point out that databook is wrong about the information it contains, it'll remain cemented, solid proof for you fanboys.

I'm out.I'm just wasting my time now for no reason...I won't even ask you who do you think is the vice-captain or at least who acts like one since it's probs Usopp and Sanji which makes no sense what so ever...

This just shows how shit you are reading, since we've said the crew has no vice-captain more than once already

 

[loj]

Why do you keep going back to a source that isn't valid lmfao I guess no matter how many times we point out that databook is wrong about the information it contains, it'll remain cemented, solid proof for you fanboys.


This just shows how shit you are reading, since we've said the crew has no vice-captain more than once already

Showed in manga...

@bold Oh really? So why are you mentioning Sanji then everytime Zoro is in debate

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Just why am I even trying...

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[loj]

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Well if not said he showed it

 

[Punk Hazard]

Showed in manga...

Never been confirmed in the manga, not even once.

@bold Oh really? So why are you mentioning Sanji then everytime Zoro is in debate

"we've" Cobra showed Usopp's panel LOL

Wow, you truly are bad at reading. Already explained several times in this thread that EVERY STRAWHAT'S name was brought up, and it was a made a VS thread by Zoro's fans.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Well if not said he showed it

It was "showed" most of the strawhats would do the duty of a VC, and this odas way of portraying them as equal as far as the crewmates status goes, therefore none of them is the first mate, nor would a first mate role fit with the kind of relationship oda is building between them to begin with anyway.


But nah, of course let's ignore all that shit, and say zoro just because he is "cool" when he does something badass.

 

[loj]

Never been confirmed in the manga, not even once.



Wow, you truly are bad at reading. Already explained several times in this thread that EVERY STRAWHAT'S name was brought up, and it was a made a VS thread by Zoro's fans.

Did I say confirmed LOL I said showed.I know Oda didn't confirm it directly but you can see it indirectly

So why were you saying Sanji would be a better vice-captain than Zoro when you think no one is a vice-captain xd You could have just said no one is better rather than arguing how Sanji is more intellectual and things xd

It was "showed" most of the strawhats would do the duty of a VC, and this odas way of portraying them as equal as far as the crewmates status goes, therefore none of them is the first mate, nor would a first mate role fit with the kind of relationship oda is building between them

Oda also showed who and what is Zoro at Water 7 arc with Usopp thing...Oda also showed who took Luffy's pain.That all was indirectly showing what position Zoro holds in SH's and who is the most closest and captains right hand.

Funny thing if you remember at Alabasta when Smoker nearly drown I wonder who Luffy asked to save Smoker....Oh snap it was bloody Zoro again out of all SH's it was again Zoro :/

Not to mention how Oda is consistently connecting first mate/vice-captain title with Zoro in manga.Zoro and only Zoro.Wonder why :/

 

[Punk Hazard]

Did I say confirmed LOL I said showed.I know Oda didn't confirm it directly but you can see it indirectly

Not even this either.

So why were you saying Sanji would be a better vice-captain than Zoro

Show me where I said this.

when you think no one is a vice-captain xd You could have just said no one is better rather than arguing how Sanji is more intellectual and things xd

You are a phenomenon of human mental capacity.

 

[loj]

Not even this either.



Show me where I said this.



You are a phenomenon of human mental capacity.

I guess you just don't see these things then...

You literally said Sanji is more intellectual and would fit more as vice-captain than Zoro or something of that sorts literally few pages back :|

 

[Punk Hazard]

You literally said Sanji is more intellectual and would fit more as vice-captain than Zoro or something of that sorts literally few pages back :|

No, I didn't. I said Sanji, Nami, and Robin COLLECTIVELY would run the crew better than Zoro would BY HIMSELF. I cited all three of them being more intellectual as one reason why, and Dannie questioned why I included Sanji in intelligence. I then showed him why Sanji can be considered an intellectual, as he has the best tactical mind in the crew.

Cleared up enough for you?

 

[loj]

No, I didn't. I said Sanji, Nami, and Robin COLLECTIVELY would run the crew better than Zoro would BY HIMSELF. I cited all three of them being more intellectual as one reason why, and Dannie questioned why I included Sanji in intelligence. I then showed him why Sanji can be considered an intellectual, as he has the best tactical mind in the crew.

Cleared up enough for you?

But I don't understand one thing,why is intellect so important when you said Luffy is a retard who is clearly a captain of SH's.So I said why wouldn't Zoro fit there....not intellectual enough :|

 

[Punk Hazard]

But I don't understand one thing,why is intellect so important when you said Luffy is a retard who is clearly a captain of SH's.So I said why wouldn't Zoro fit there....not intellectual enough :|

Because Zoro's method of running the crew wouldn't be the same as Luffy's. Zoro WOULD attempt to incorporate intelligence, which Nami, Robin, and Sanji can do better.

 

[loj]

Because Zoro's method of running the crew wouldn't be the same as Luffy's. Zoro WOULD attempt to incorporate intelligence, which Nami, Robin, and Sanji can do better.

And how do you know how would Zoro run the crew? Last time he did that(seriously enough) in Water 7 I haven't seen anyone laughing at him or saying he is not intellectual.I can only remember everyone agreeing with Zoro.

Also I find it funny how Oda is consistently connecting vice-captain position to Zoro's name wonder why.

 

[Punk Hazard]

And how do you know how would Zoro run the crew? Last time he did that(seriously enough) in Water 7 I haven't seen anyone laughing at him or saying he is not intellectual.I can only remember everyone agreeing with Zoro.

Also I find it funny how Oda is consistently connecting vice-captain position to Zoro's name wonder why.

You can see how from his reasoning and decisions during the discussion of Sanji, Kaido, and Big Mom.