[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?

[Punk Hazard]

What's the difference from disrespecting his authority and disrespecting Luffy himself? All the SH's have disrespected Luffy at one point, so if you disrespect Luffy, you are disrespecting his position as captain.

Because you can insult Luffy as a person and still follow his authority as captain.

It could also mean advising/informing/asking which aren't as strong as a command.

That's not what he did though. "OI LUFFY DROP IT!" is a command, no way around that.

Or Rather, It's just Riker who needs to understand the the difference b/w commanding and telling?

Explain how "OI LUFFY DROP IT!" isn't a command.

He clearly tried to convince him.

If you can explain to me how "OI LUFFY, DROP IT!" isn't a blatant command, I'll concede the point.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Your an idiot lmao if you tell some to do something you are commanding them smh. They are synonyms telling commanding instructing ordering all the same meaning. To tell someone to do something it is an order if it is obeyed you are obedient if you go against it you are disobedient. And zoro says he will always go with what luffy says. Saying that it is a captains order but goes against him both in water 7 and on zou so Riker is right he is a hypocrite. Before you say there's a difference between to things maybe you should look it up and be sure smh

 

[Punk Hazard]

Law gives Nami a Vivre Card even though Zoro is right there. Nami is the first mate.

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[RJ22BIG]

Law gives Nami a Vivre Card even though Zoro is right there. Nami is the first mate.

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Lmao yup by everyone's logic your right Riker Nami is vice captain. Not only that Lola also handed a vivre card to Nami so Nami leads zoro 2 vivre cards to 1 lmao

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lmao yup by everyone's logic your right Riker Nami is vice captain. Not only that Lola also handed a vivre card to Nami so Nami leads zoro 2 vivre cards to 1 lmao

Oh shid, it's looking lit for Nami

 

[Bogard]

Nami is the navigator lol. Bullshit arguments as usual

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nami is the navigator lol. Bullshit arguments as usual

Why would he entrust the vivre card to anyone but the vice captain?

 

[RJ22BIG]

Nami is the navigator lol. Bullshit arguments as usual

Jesus Burgess was the helmsman and 1st captain of the Blackbeard pirates what's your point.

 

[Bogard]

Why would he entrust the vivre card to anyone but the vice captain?

For her to do her job? The next island was supposed to be zou and who better than the navigator to guide them there? But since you only understand the ABC logic especially since it work with your logic of only arguing for the sake of it, not surprised you don't even realize something so simple

 

[Punk Hazard]

For her to do her job? The next island was supposed to be zou and who better than the navigator to guide them there? But since you only understand the ABC logic especially since it work with your logic of only arguing for the sake of it, not surprised you don't even realize something so simple

Nope, sorry. As established by Zoro fans in this thread, Vivre Card are only ever given to the vice captain if it's not given to Luffy. Therefore, Nami is the vice-captain. You can't argue with it, it was established by Zoro fans.

 

[A v i]

That's not what he did though. "OI LUFFY DROP IT!" is a command, no way around that.

Explain how "OI LUFFY DROP IT!" isn't a command.

If you can explain to me how "OI LUFFY, DROP IT!" isn't a blatant command, I'll concede the point.

I have already explained it. It can't be an order because he doesn't hold enough authority to order the Captain. Now it's your turn to explain how or/and why it was a command.

 

[ToshiZO]

Law gives Nami a Vivre Card even though Zoro is right there. Nami is the first mate.

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Lmfao huge fail. Law had a plan setup, Zoro wasn't going to be on the Sunny team.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

For her to do her job? The next island was supposed to be zou and who better than the navigator to guide them there? But since you only understand the ABC logic especially since it work with your logic of only arguing for the sake of it, not surprised you don't even realize something so simple

What he was trying to say about 10 pages ago ppl claimed because sabo gave zoro a vivri card it further implies that he takes the role of leader because that was given to him what riker and the other guy says to counter act that is nami was also given these cards not only once but twice... Which is why that arguement is bullshit lol

I tend to agree the zoro fanboys r too much no one is arguing that zoro is not second strongest etc what riker and others r arguing is that the straw hats r a family and when time is needed each straw hat has proven to take leadership due to being best fit to do so in said situation and each of them stands for what they believe in.

Not saying u but some of the zoro fanboys kept saying how ussop disrespected luffy over a ship but it is not just a ship to ussop it was member of crew and he specifically worked on it tbh I see zoro doing exact same thing if luffy was trying to throw away zoro's white sword because it was broken/ and or lost... In that situation zoro would def fight back because how his char is he would stand for what he believes in etc

Again no one is arguing that zoro is not the second strongest but if luffy was to suddenly disappear I along with riker and some others do not believe the straw hats would follow him down right to the T
Each straw hat has taken leadership of some portion of the crew when it is seen fit

As for swordsman not being a job do u honestly think musician is fit to be an occupation in a pirate crew :| referring to brook

Luffy would never (and so far oda wouldn't either) put any straw hat over one another due to them being a family in terms of going to battle of course zoro would be in command because that is what is role is he is a warrior/swordsman just like nami completely takes control on navigation or franky In reguards to the ship

Both Sanji and zoro have taken leadership many times and when in same instance both r in the same room they often show leadership together (but in seperate ways prime example would be ussop situation when Sanji attacked luffy before he could utter those words and zoro for making luffy understand he needs to demand respect)

Not trying to argue here but god damn is it really that important to all of u including u riker bogard macho etc... Who is first mate when (luffy's crew 1 isn't big enough to do so) his crew is not even set up like that


When in battle zoro does take charge either by himself or with Sanji

When in terms of getting away or if the crew is in crucial danger Sanji takes it upon himself to get the crew out usually completely unscathe

It does not matter who is first mate or if there is even a first mate Jesus 30 I
Something pages of u guys arguing bullshit is insane

 

[loj]

32 pages of Rikers bullshits

 

[Bogard]

What he was trying to say about 10 pages ago ppl claimed because sabo gave zoro a vivri card it further implies that he takes the role of leader because that was given to him what riker and the other guy says to counter act that is nami was also given these cards not only once but twice... Which is why that arguement is bullshit lol

Both contexts are different. The vivrecard was given to Nami for her to do her job in going in a certain island. In Zoro's case however, he isn't a navigator, and didn't even know Sabo that long(he spent 2years with Robin), so obviously the scene would be more significant in that context for Sabo to choose to give his brother's vivre card to a guy he just met over someone like Robin he spent 2years with. The scene simply indicated that he valued more Zoro's authority at that moment. It's not even a matter of relationship between the strawhats here, more like how the world generally perceives Zoro

Not trying to argue here but god damn is it really that important to all of u including u riker bogard macho etc... Who is first mate when (luffy's crew 1 isn't big enough to do so) his crew is not even set up like that

It does not matter who is first mate or if there is even a first mate Jesus 30 I
Something pages of u guys arguing bullshit is insane

Well the thing is that it's Oda himself who gives hints about Zoro being the firstmate, so of course it would build up arguments being made about him being one. The way i see it, Zoro is developed to be the firstmate. If Oda didn't want him to be the firstmate, he'd not have given so much hints about him being one. But i'd never force someone to believe this. Problem however is that there are guys like Riker who just can't accept that people don't view the same thing as he does and spent their entire days in narutobase just to argue for the sake of it. I have something like 15posts in this thread. You must thank Riker who only argue for the sake of it and lojzini who apparently can't stop replying to him

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

For her to do her job? The next island was supposed to be zou and who better than the navigator to guide them there? But since you only understand the ABC logic especially since it work with your logic of only arguing for the sake of it, not surprised you don't even realize something so simple

Bro so someone said this to me


Sakura's taijutsu>Lee's by the end of the manga
-Sakura can manipulate sand through telekinesis as I showed in another thread of mine
-Sakura was a medical, genjutsu and taijutsu prodigy.
-Sakura has been stated to have superior intellect to Shikamaru countless times in the manga and has outsmarted him many times.
-Inner Sakura is similar to a bujii.
-Sakura has precognition (See Sasori fight where she dodges all of his attacks) and genjutsu ability. She copied Tsunade's moves also. Everything that the sharingan is capable of, she does with her own eyes.

How do I make this my Sig with her (or his) name In it ?

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Both contexts are different. The vivrecard was given to Nami for her to do her job in going in a certain island. In Zoro's case however, he isn't a navigator, and didn't even know Sabo that long(he spent 2years with Robin), so obviously the scene would be more significant in that context for Sabo to choose to give his brother's vivre card to a guy he just met over someone like Robin he spent 2years with. The scene simply indicated that he valued more Zoro's authority at that moment. It's not even a matter of relationship between the strawhats here, more like how the world generally perceives Zoro


Well the thing is that it's Oda himself who gives hints about Zoro being the firstmate, so of course it would build up arguments being made about him being one. The way i see it, Zoro is developed to be the firstmate. If Oda didn't want him to be the firstmate, he'd not have given so much hints about him being one. But i'd never force someone to believe this. Problem however is that there are guys like Riker who just can't accept that people don't view the same thing as he does and spent their entire days in narutobase just to argue for the sake of it. I have something like 15posts in this thread. You must thank Riker who only argue for the sake of it and lojzini who apparently can't stop replying to him

Not trying to argue this but didn't someone already point out that 1 robin was in other room and 2 zoro was closest to sabo as he was about to leave (in terms of who was physically closest to him) and 3 didn't he say oh indicating he just remembered if that is the case idk why u guys r arguing this

As for riker the thing is he's my bro just like u r lol and he is passionate but it would have never gotten to 30 plus pages if he was just debating one person I stopped really reading this around page 15 or so idk when but yeah if multiple ppl r arguing at him (or if he's arguing at them etc then u just have whole bunch of posts lol)

As for that Sig bro I really want to make what I tagged u in my sig lol I almost dropped my drink when read that :|

As for zoro being first mate I mean what does first mate mean in one piece tbh

Marco for instance yes he's first mate and 1st division commander

But if I'm not mistaken white beard crew is broken up into divisions because of how big it is luffy doesn't have that (he has fleet but they r not apart of his crew) and each division has own commander which I believe that commander despite having higher commanding rank (1st 2nd etc) cannot command another's division because then what's the point


Zoro will def take charge in a battling situation or a war like situation that in itself should not be debatable due to him being second strongest and the kuma thing but what the kuma thing also showed was that Sanji would also take up leadership as well if the captain is down ... The main reason zoro knocked out Sanji (he hit him in bottom back of head which is occipital lobe which controls vision and is easiest place to knock someone out) was because he wouldn't want a crew mate getting hurt on his sake and that was his pride.

But I do tend to agree with riker if luffy was to suddenly disappear the straw hats would not just follow zoro to the T (I mean like if they really couldn't find him because most likely they would search for him(

They all have their personalities and they r portrayed to be family like and due to the kuma thing I would see Sanji and zoro arguing but also leading together but that is my opinion I respect all of u guys opinion's because y'all r entitled to that

 

[A v i]

Literally, the only valid reason I see from "SH crew doesn't have a VC" faction is the fact that there wasn't an official announcement or an explicit statement about Zoro's position within the crew. Other than riding on "we need explicit statements" argument, I see not a single valid reason against Zoro. Apparently, some are actually under the impression that being a crew composed of independent people makes it impossible for them to have a Vice-Captain; Yet, they're allowed to have a Captain. If the Captain himself can't hold the crew from being independent, how exactly a Vice-Captain figure can change it? You guys should've realized how wrong you are when you find it necessary to make use of every single member in the crew (Captain not included) to counter "Zoro is the Vice-Captain" arguments.

Your an idiot lmao if you tell some to do something you are commanding them smh. They are synonyms telling commanding instructing ordering all the same meaning. To tell someone to do something it is an order if it is obeyed you are obedient if you go against it you are disobedient. And zoro says he will always go with what luffy says. Saying that it is a captains order but goes against him both in water 7 and on zou so Riker is right he is a hypocrite. Before you say there's a difference between to things maybe you should look it up and be sure smh

I'd advice you to do some research before spouting random BS for the sake of looking cool. Synonyms don't always share exact same meaning. When yo ask your friend to meet you at night, It doesn't make it a divine command or an order. It's just you asking him to something. A command however is a more powerful word. A statement becomes an order or a command when it has certain level of authority behind it. Zoro holds 0 authority over Luffy; ergo he can't order Luffy around.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I'd advice you to do some research before spouting random BS for the sake of looking cool. Synonyms don't always share exact same meaning. When yo ask your friend to meet you at night, It doesn't make it a divine command or an order. It's just you asking him to something. A command however is a more powerful word. A statement becomes an order or a command when it has certain level of authority behind it. Zoro holds 0 authority over Luffy; ergo he can't order Luffy around.

I agree with this statement but I feel the same can be said that luffy cannot control zoro while neither would make the other do something that goes against thier morals if either would try to it would result to the other lashing out etc.. That's why the ussop thing happened it wasn't as if ussop was blatantly trying to disrespect luffy it was that luffy was stepping over ussop's feelings etc which ussop retaliated ... If zoro's sword was in the same situation as the going merry (meaning let's say it broke and there was a pieces missing etc) zoro would want to salvage it and let's say luffy was like no we got to go. Zoro would litterally do the same thing ussop did because of what that sword means to him

The thing is the straw hats r literally family in most cases (brook zoro Sanji nami) they only have each other which is the reason why I do not think neither luffy nor oda would put one straw hat over the other

Yes zoro is second strongest

Yes he would take lead over the crew in battle situation

But would luffy outright give dominance over entire crew to zoro in his absence I do not think so


And yes I know this post was not for me lol just giving my opinion I'm bored and my grandmother dragged me to get her hair done so sitting in beauty salon bored :/

 

[RJ22BIG]

Both contexts are different. The vivrecard was given to Nami for her to do her job in going in a certain island. In Zoro's case however, he isn't a navigator, and didn't even know Sabo that long(he spent 2years with Robin), so obviously the scene would be more significant in that context for Sabo to choose to give his brother's vivre card to a guy he just met over someone like Robin he spent 2years with. The scene simply indicated that he valued more Zoro's authority at that moment. It's not even a matter of relationship between the strawhats here, more like how the world generally perceives Zoro


Well the thing is that it's Oda himself who gives hints about Zoro being the firstmate, so of course it would build up arguments being made about him being one. The way i see it, Zoro is developed to be the firstmate. If Oda didn't want him to be the firstmate, he'd not have given so much hints about him being one. But i'd never force someone to believe this. Problem however is that there are guys like Riker who just can't accept that people don't view the same thing as he does and spent their entire days in narutobase just to argue for the sake of it. I have something like 15posts in this thread. You must thank Riker who only argue for the sake of it and lojzini who apparently can't stop replying to him

By your logic of Oda giving these hints that zoro is vice captain or being built up to be vice captain. That would also mean that zoro and sanji by their rivalry and fights and even taking on the same challenge that dorry and Brogy took on that lead them to their daily fights and them being clearly stated to be equal dorry and Brogy that is. Shouldn't that mean that Oda's hints mean either zoro and sanji are equal or being built to one day be equal by your logic. I just want to know because you find these hints to lead to the conclusion about zoro so shouldn't my hints mean the same thing?