Is this just getting ignored or what?

[kaiyokoon]

I know this is going to incite an onslaught of comments spouting "hater", but I really don't care. Setting aside every other aspect of the current situation in the series, all of the who's going to beat who nonsense and whatnot, are people in Sasuke's fanbase honestly under the impression that even a fraction of a percent of the population of the naruto world wants anything to do with Sasuke's plan? For that matter, even the ones that might dislike the Kage of their own village or might revel in the death of another village's kage still most definitely don't want Sasuke running the show. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever to suggest that anyone other than Sasuke (and perhaps Karin, Suigetsu, and Juugo) is in favor of any type of new world order wherein Sasuke is the leader.

I honestly feel like this aspect of his master plan is being intentionally glossed over by his fanbase. You can say all you want about the kage having this coming, about them having blood on their hands and anything else, but the fact still remains adamantly engraved into the plot, that regardless of how horrible any current leaders are, the population without any shadow of a doubt would take any of them over Sasuke. I would even be willing to say that his plan isn't as insane as it could be, if it weren't for the sole fact that he thinks anyone wants or would ever accept having him in charge.

 

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Only a Psycopath would support his plan.​

 

[kaiyokoon]

Only a Psycopath would support his plan.​

Or a hostage?

 

[AlphaScythian]

Remind me when fodders had any say in anything?

I'll wait U_U

 

[kaiyokoon]

Remind me when fodders had any say in anything?

I'll wait U_U

So he just gets to rule over people with them having no say then? Last I checked the majority of the ninja population adores their respective kage and literally stand behind them to the death.

 

[AlphaScythian]

So he just gets to rule over people with them having no say then? Last I checked the majority of the ninja population adores their respective kage and literally stand behind them to the death.

What choice do they have? Any shinobi village is military organization, disobedience means death, hell even ditching your own village to live somewhere else makes you a rogue ninja and gets you killed.

Might makes right in any case, especially in shinobi world.

What's truly overlooked is that Sasuke's plan might actually be good and thus you dont really know if people will like it or not.
So let's stop acting like Sasuke is about to enslave mankind and bend their ass over when in fact he merely brings a revolution.

As far as revolutions go - 'The system cannot be reformed, the structure will never transform by itself'

 

[kaiyokoon]

What choice do they have? Any shinobi village is military organization, disobedience means death, hell even ditching your own village to live somewhere else makes you a rogue ninja and gets you killed.

Might makes right in any case, especially in shinobi world.

What's truly overlooked is that Sasuke's plan might actually be good and thus you dont really know if people will like it or not.
So let's stop acting like Sasuke is about to enslave mankind and bend their ass over when in fact he merely brings a revolution.

As far as revolutions go - 'The system cannot be reformed, the structure will never transform by itself'

Please do not portray the current system as if the Kage are dictators. There is nothing to suggest that even a small portion of the overall population dislikes their kage or feels like they are being forced to conform. You are grossly misconstruing the term "might makes right". The kage are elected because they are the strongest and the most capable of protecting the village and that is exactly how they are viewed. No current kage has been shown to force members of the village to bow down to them. Yes rogues are pursued, because it's a world of ninja, and even a civilian can hold very sensitive information that could put the entire village and it's civillians in jeopardy if leaked. Finally, the we don't know how it will turn out, and the it might be good, argument is absurd. You're basically saying it's cool if Sasuke destroys the current system for no reason and puts himself in the only position of power, because people might think it's good, which there is absolutely no evidence to support they will. He is trying to force a system that no one wants, that is nothing short of tyranny.

 

[Jcub]

]What choice do they have? Any shinobi village is military organization, disobedience means death, hell even ditching your own village to live somewhere else makes you a rogue ninja and gets you killed.
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Might makes right in any case, especially in shinobi world.

What's truly overlooked is that Sasuke's plan might actually be good and thus you dont really know if people will like it or not.
So let's stop acting like Sasuke is about to enslave mankind and bend their ass over when in fact he merely brings a revolution.

As far as revolutions go - 'The system cannot be reformed, the structure will never transform by itself'

Good point, Sauce is all that and a bag of chips. They have to execute him, what choice do they have? lol. Its not only about might, its more about influence. Right now best he can hope for is just being an outcast from the villages, and taken off the rogue/hunted/bingo list.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Please do not portray the current system as if the Kage are dictators. There is nothing to suggest that even a small portion of the overall population dislikes their kage or feels like they are being forced to conform. You are grossly misconstruing the term "might makes right". The kage are elected because they are the strongest and the most capable of protecting the village and that is exactly how they are viewed. No current kage has been shown to force members of the village to bow down to them. Yes rogues are pursued, because it's a world of ninja, and even a civilian can hold very sensitive information that could put the entire village and it's civillians in jeopardy if leaked. Finally, the we don't know how it will turn out, and the it might be good, argument is absurd. You're basically saying it's cool if Sasuke destroys the current system for no reason and puts himself in the only position of power, because people might think it's good, which there is absolutely no evidence to support they will. He is trying to force a system that no one wants, that is nothing short of tyranny.

Yes kages are dictators, just look at old mist village or bloody mist, did people revolt? Some like zabuza did and got branded traitor and nukenin, people hasnt done shit, it only further sub-lines how authoritarian is current kage system.

The problem is that we are fed up with nice dictators, that love their people and care for them hence making it appear all democratic, full of freedom and what not, but it doesnt change the fact that it's dictatorship system they have.

Even selection of kages isnt democratic, bunch of land lords do it or old kage names new one - a communist party basically.

Sasuke is fully capable protecting any village if that's your problem lol.

Good point, Sauce is all that and a bag of chips. They have to execute him, what choice do they have? lol. Its not only about might, its more about influence. Right now best he can hope for is just being an outcast from the villages, and taken off the rogue/hunted/bingo list.

Right now, he can leave them to their flora and fauna gods and go fornicate sakura like no tomorrow U_U

 

[kaiyokoon]

Yes kages are dictators, just look at old mist village or bloody mist, did people revolt? Some like zabuza did and got branded traitor and nukenin, people has done shit, it only further sublines how autritarian is current kage system.

The problem is that we are fed up with nice dictators, that love their people and care for them hence making it appear all democratic, full of freedom and what not, but it doesnt change the fact that it's dictatorship system they have.

Even selection of kages isnt democratic, bunch of land lords do it or old kage names new one - a communist party basically.

Sasuke is fully capable protecting any village if that's your problem lol.

You are completely and utterly dodging my points. For one I said current Kage, the bloody mist has nothing to do with the current system and Mei is loved as a kage specifically for ridding the village of that system, and regardless of the semantics you want to use,t he fact still remains that the people like their kage and they want nothing to do with Sasuke. I want you to address that point and only that point. No one wants Sasuke as a leader, and would most likely hate him if he killed their kage, assuming the majority don't already resent him anyway. It doesn't matter what he can protect, it doesn't matter what power he has, and it doesn't matter what justifications he concocts in his teenage emotionally damaged mind, the cold hard fact still remains that the population wants nothing to do with his plan or at the very least absolutely does not want Sasuke to be the sole leader or in any position of authority at all, especially not in favor of their current leaders.

 

[Crossroads]

Please do not portray the current system as if the Kage are dictators.

They might as well be dictators. You can't leave any village without being branded a traitor and sentenced to death if you're ever caught. People in villages don't have any real freedom. You can only leave if you're on said village orders.​

There is nothing to suggest that even a small portion of the overall population dislikes their kage or feels like they are being forced to conform.

So, basically, you're saying that no one nowhere dislikes the current system. The Uchiha's sure did.. who's to say someone else won't? And who's to say someone else already doesn't? You don't know. You're assuming this to support your weak argument.​

You are grossly misconstruing the term "might makes right". The kage are elected because they are the strongest and the most capable of protecting the village and that is exactly how they are viewed. No current kage has been shown to force members of the village to bow down to them.

Defying a Kage will get you killed. The Uchiha clan is a nice example. Their ideals weren't even able to be voiced, hence why they felt they needed to revolt. And no, the Kage's aren't always the most capable of protecting a village. I.E. Tsunade. While they don't force a sworn allegiance among their people, it most certainly goes without saying that they should never defy or speak directly against their almighty superior(s).​

Yes rogues are pursued, because it's a world of ninja, and even a civilian can hold very sensitive information that could put the entire village and it's civillians in jeopardy if leaked. Finally, the we don't know how it will turn out, and the it might be good, argument is absurd. You're basically saying it's cool if Sasuke destroys the current system for no reason and puts himself in the only position of power, because people might think it's good, which there is absolutely no evidence to support they will. He is trying to force a system that no one wants, that is nothing short of tyranny.

So, what you're saying, is that Kage's have a right to kill any civilian and/or shinobi who leave the village, without knowing their cause. But here you are, someone who doesn't even know what Sasuke wants to do, turn down his ideals without anyone even hearing them or listening to him. You assume he'll make everyone bend a knee, when the current system isn't too different in the first place. You don't know what Sasuke is going to do. You don't know who will support Sasuke once he states his ideals. You don't if anyone else dislikes the current system. So, why don't you quit being biased because you clearly don't like Sasuke's character, and see what he plans on doing before jumping to any illogical conclusions.

Use your head and think.

(Since I know you're going to reply to my post with some half-assed poorly written post, I won't even bother reading it or replying. I merely posted here so someone could read what I had to say.)​

 

[kaiyokoon]

They might as well be dictators. You can't leave any village without being branded a traitor and sentenced to death if you're ever caught. People in villages don't have any real freedom. You can only leave if you're on said village orders.​

So, basically, you're saying that no one nowhere dislikes the current system. The Uchiha's sure did.. who's to say someone else won't? And who's to say someone else already doesn't? You don't know. You're assuming this to support your weak argument.​

Defying a Kage will get you killed. The Uchiha clan is a nice example. Their ideals weren't even able to be voiced, hence why they felt they needed to revolt. And no, the Kage's aren't always the most capable of protecting a village. I.E. Tsunade. While they don't force a sworn allegiance among their people, it most certainly goes without saying that they should never defy or speak directly against their almighty superior(s).​

So, what you're saying, is that Kage's have a right to kill any civilian and/or shinobi who leave the village, without knowing their cause. But here you are, someone who doesn't even know what Sasuke wants to do, are turning down his ideals without anyone even hearing them or listening to him. You assume he'll make everyone bend a knee, when the current system isn't too different in the first place. You don'tknow what Sasuke is going to do. You don't know who will support Sasuke once he states his ideals. You don't if anyone else dislikes the current system. So, why don't you quit being biased because you clearly don't like Sasuke's character, and see what he plans on doing before jumping to any illogical conclusions.

Use your head and think.

(Since I know you're going to reply to my post with some half-assed poorly written post, I won't even bother reading it or replying. I merely posted here so someone could read what I had to say.)​

First of all, I don't like Sasuke or Naruto, because the former is a childish psychopath and the latter is an airheaded optimist. Your entire argument is based on saying "you don't know" to everything, in place of providing any legitimate argument, and are you seriously using the Uchiha as your only example? Are you also choosing to ignore the part where I said current system? Because we know very well that the Uchiha were specifically discriminated against during that time period, it has nothing to do with the current system. Sasuke's very first moving is killing leaders that people actually hold dear, and you seriously want to pop off at the mouth about not knowing what his plan is? I have news for you, the people could care less when his very first move is to decide on his own that he is a better leader than the leaders that people already want in place. Please provide me with a single scrap of evidence that anyone in the Naruto world aside from Karin, Juugo, and Suigetsu would support him.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I have more to do with my life then discussing same topic with sasuke haters again.

But i guarantee you that you wouldnt like to live in a village where you can only go out on some mission, possibly even dangerous one or be killed if you do so w/o permission.

Umh, also you cant turn your missions down either

 

[kaiyokoon]

I have more to do with my life then discussing same topic with sasuke haters again.

But i guarantee you that you wouldnt like to live in a village where you can only go out on some mission, possibly even dangerous one or be killed if you do so w/o permission.

Umh, also you cant turn your missions down either

Resorting to calling a forum member a hater is the single flimsiest move you can make, if you have nothing more to contribute, then no one is forcing you to post. It's a world filled with shinobi, of course they are sent on missions, do you think people in the military in the real world get to pick and choose what missions they go on whenever they please? Likewise, do you think they get to turn down a mission wherein they may be killed? Also, last I checked the ninja academy is voluntary, are you not aware of the presence of ordinary civillians in every village?

 

[iBrezeeh]

First of all, I don't like Sasuke or Naruto, because the former is a childish psychopath and the latter is an airheaded optimist. Your entire argument is based on saying "you don't know" to everything, in place of providing any legitimate argument, and are you seriously using the Uchiha as your only example? Are you also choosing to ignore the part where I said current system? Because we know very well that the Uchiha were specifically discriminated against during that time period, it has nothing to do with the current system. Sasuke's very first moving is killing leaders that people actually hold dear, and you seriously want to pop off at the mouth about not knowing what his plan is? I have news for you, the people could care less when his very first move is to decide on his own that he is a better leader than the leaders that people already want in place. Please provide me with a single scrap of evidence that anyone in the Naruto world aside from Karin, Juugo, and Suigetsu would support him.

Lmao, just read that sentence again and think of what those people did. They massacred a whole clan, Sasuke just wants 5 people killed lmao

 

[kaiyokoon]

Lmao, just read that sentence again and think of what those people did. They massacred a whole clan, Sasuke just wants 5 people killed lmao

Your ability to ignore a point that I've already stressed multiple times is absolutely appalling. The current leaders didn't massacre a damn thing.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Remind me when fodders had any say in anything?

I'll wait U_U

fodder chose Hashirama to be a Hokage

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[AlphaScythian]

fodder chose Hashirama to be a Hokage

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Any proof?

 

[kaiyokoon]

Any proof?

It was stated in the manga that the people wanted Hashirama to be hokage instead of Madara?

 

[V h o]

I assume most are trolling....SB does that...