is there really a shadow goverment or is just lies?

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i am just wondering why people think that there is a really bad side of the government and all and is there any proof that it exist?
 

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Obviously there is, there's one for almost every government.
 
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i am just wondering why people think that there is a really bad side of the government and all and is there any proof that it exist?

yes, there's proof, but government don't want us to know
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I think there is... it's only obvious. You wouldn't accomplish much with gov members they show on tv... it's like a tv show. Someone has to make classified decision, I don't think that every president would be inlightned into gov secrets. They change and there's no guaranty they wouldn't talk about it after they'r replaced.

It only makes sence that we need shadow gov.... to make things work.
 

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i beilive there's a higher power than the president , for me presidents are just yes man to them & puppets to take the blame or the glory
 

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If you get interested in this, you will learn a lot.
I'll PM you some interesting news sources if you want
 

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there are powers far beyond our federal governments, its just a notion of ignoring or obsessing over it.
 

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By shadow Goverment, Im guessing you mean people behind the scenes doing negative things, then yes
And there's more than enough proof
 

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If you get interested in this, you will learn a lot.
I'll PM you some interesting news sources if you want

Could you PM me this sources as well? I find this to be an interesting subject.
 

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If there is then I don't want to know. I don't want to know about some giant, evil, Illuminati-esque organization that controls America. Who the f*ck can fight something like that? I'm fine with believing that America is all about freedom and what not. I have no interest in the evils that America commits. I know that sounds insensitive, but still... Nothing I can do about it... Whenever America becomes an evil tyrannical dictatorship and there's a semi-large resistance, then I'll do something.
 

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If there is then I don't want to know. I don't want to know about some giant, evil, Illuminati-esque organization that controls America. Who the f*ck can fight something like that? I'm fine with believing that America is all about freedom and what not. I have no interest in the evils that America commits. I know that sounds insensitive, but still... Nothing I can do about it...

That's exactly what they want. That mindset. Just accepting enslavement. I know we can't do that much, but atleast try to wake up others.
 

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That's exactly what they want. That mindset. Just accepting enslavement. I know we can't do that much, but atleast try to wake up others.

And do what? There's lots of things I don't agree with but thinking about it or knowing it will only make your life more confusing. Enjoy it while it lasts bro!
 

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actually there is if you look through history books and wiki etc. they will tell you the government is corrupt just like the police are,
 

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That's exactly what they want. That mindset. Just accepting enslavement. I know we can't do that much, but atleast try to wake up others.

And then do what? How do you fight something like that? Beside, I'd rather go about my daily life than trying to exposing and fighting a shadow government. I'll leave that in other people's hands.
 
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People should start posting news or sources that will prove evidently that there is a shadow government. It will make it more convincing instead of saying ''Yeah there is"

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And then do what? How do you fight something like that? Beside, I'd rather go about my daily life than trying to exposing and fighting a shadow government. I'll leave that in other people's hands.

I understand your point and I partly agree but one question! You said in the end ''I'll leave that in other people's hands'' By that you mean ''IF'' something really bad would happend with your country such as population reduction and it might, it MUST! Would you really simply give up?
 

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Arguing with a conspiracy theorist is like wrestling with a pig. At the end, you're both dirty, but the pig enjoyed it. ;)
 

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Just live your life and ignore all this illuminati stuff, it's a big waste of time. Even if they are planning world domination or some shit, when the time comes, everyone will know, so just ignore it for now. You'll feel so stupid wasting all ur time looking into it, watch anime instead lol.
 
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