Is the police guilty?

[Chikombo]

There was recently over here, a person who has downs syndrome who was playing with a toy gun.
Someone else tried to inform the police about his mental state but the police didn't care, the police shot the person dead cus they thought he had a real gun and was dangerous.

So what should happen now? Should the police feel shame or was it just an honorable mistake?

 

[salamander uchiha]

There's nothing honorable about shooting somebody dead especially after knowing the situation. They should've used stun guns and taken him down then arrested him while they investigated.

 

[Cornson]

Should the police feel shame or was it just an honorable mistake?

No, however the officer who shot him should be jailed for murder.

 

[Uchihaa Sasuke]

Guilty

 

[Clown World]

The police are a major product of demoralization and materialism, i will concede that some still have honour and justice expressing in their character but that is a minute few. Their hubris essentially results in situations like these and the trigger-happy behavior of police. So yes they are in most cases guilty, especially this one.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Would a government secretly plan to kill citizens if the country is overpopulated?

 

[Chikombo]

Would a government secretly plan to kill citizens if the country is overpopulated?

Wouldn't be an effective method.

They should secretly poison people.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Would a government secretly plan to kill citizens if the country is overpopulated?

Forced sterilisation akhi the Japanese did it to those who had diseases.

 

[-Punk-]

Yes, because they are not being thought situation awareness, calm and collected. Instead they are acting out of their fear and coward ness. This is what being protective with a badge does.

 

[Fountain]

I will reserve my criticism for—until i learn more, and see a video.

 

[Umari Senju]

I need more details first. Now, I will admit, They went in aware there was a mental condition here. However we don’t know exactly how the one with the mental condition was behaving when they arrived on the scene.

Did the victim point the toy gun at them when their weapons were drawn?
Was the victim given a warning before shot?
Did the cops just arrive and start shooting?

We still have some unanswered questions and missing details. It’s easy to demonize law enforcement when we only have so much info. So I will reserve judgment until I know more.

 

[Lightbringer]

This reminds me of a similar story where a handicapped individual was playing with a toy car and his guardian tried to inform the police that it wasn't a gun and both were on the ground, and the guardian ended up getting shot in the leg. There is a video about this too.

Why is it that other countries are able to deal with these situations amicably, but not the U.S.?

People generally like to argue that it's reasonable for police to shoot someone who might posses a weapon because it could have endangered the officer's life. But the problem is that most of the U.S. population owns firearms and having your life in danger comes with the job as a police officer. It's not an excuse to be trigger happy.

 

[kimb]

I find it disturbing how some people on this thread can so quickly dehumanize a human being into a psychopathic, trigger happy monster without taking a second to empathize in the slightest. This is a tragedy in all sense of the word. Don't mistake my levelheadedness with trying to lessen the severity of the situation; someone loss their life for no real reason. But to immediately frame it as if the officer arrived at the scene with the intention of claiming the life of an innocent man, is absolutely disturbing.

Now, your saying someone had tried to inform the police officer that the man had a mental disability. Reading all the major media outlets that reported on this, none of them describe an attempt to notify the police that the man had a mental disability. The only description he was given was how he comported himself which was described as "threateningly". I could be looking in all the wrong places, so if you don't mind linking to the story that would be great.

 

[Chikombo]

Yes, because they are not being thought situation awareness, calm and collected. Instead they are acting out of their fear and coward ness. This is what being protective with a badge does.

I find it disturbing how some people on this thread can so quickly dehumanize a human being into a psychopathic, trigger happy monster without taking a second to empathize in the slightest. This is a tragedy in all sense of the word. Don't mistake my levelheadedness with trying to lessen the severity of the situation; someone loss their life for no real reason. But to immediately frame it as if the officer arrived at the scene with the intention of claiming the life of an innocent man, is absolutely disturbing.

Now, your saying someone had tried to inform the police officer that the man had a mental disability. Reading all the major media outlets that reported on this, none of them describe an attempt to notify the police that the man had a mental disability. The only description he was given was how he comported himself which was described as "threateningly". I could be looking in all the wrong places, so if you don't mind linking to the story that would be great.

I will once im on my computer.

I think police should be resoected so im torn it just seems so disturbing.

Fear seems to be a normal reaction though. There was a kid who took a darth vader costume to school and so they evacyated the ebtire school then blamed it ob hum.

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I should correct myself it was t that clear to The police The man approach them and said no byt could t explain himself well.
The police shot at The handicapped person before that several times then aimed at the guy trying to explain.

 

[kimb]

I will once im on my computer.

I think police should be resoected so im torn it just seems so disturbing.

Fear seems to be a normal reaction though. There was a kid who took a darth vader costume to school and so they evacyated the ebtire school then blamed it ob hum.

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I should correct myself it was t that clear to The police The man approach them and said no byt could t explain himself well.
The police shot at The handicapped person before that several times then aimed at the guy trying to explain.

That really sucks; it really adds to how tradgic the situation is. Sounds like a case of miscommunication. I'd imagine if the good Samaritan spoke Swedish and was able to convey how the man was mentality disabled, he probably wouldn't have the gun aimed at him.

I wonder if the guys emotional state had any impact on the situation.

 

[Chikombo]

That really sucks; it really adds to how tradgic the situation is. Sounds like a case of miscommunication. I'd imagine if the good Samaritan spoke Swedish and was able to convey how the man was mentality disabled, he probably wouldn't have the gun aimed at him.

I wonder if the guys emotional state had any impact on the situation.

Yes it could have probably been avoided then, it's not like they tried to commit a murder and was just looking for an excuse, the killings by police have increased recently here apperently but it seems unavoidable.
I wasn't there so I don't know but I can imagine the guy was behaving angrily or something like that, which is never a good idea.

 

[Lightbringer]

I find it disturbing how some people on this thread can so quickly dehumanize a human being into a psychopathic, trigger happy monster without taking a second to empathize in the slightest. This is a tragedy in all sense of the word. Don't mistake my levelheadedness with trying to lessen the severity of the situation; someone loss their life for no real reason. But to immediately frame it as if the officer arrived at the scene with the intention of claiming the life of an innocent man, is absolutely disturbing.

Now, your saying someone had tried to inform the police officer that the man had a mental disability. Reading all the major media outlets that reported on this, none of them describe an attempt to notify the police that the man had a mental disability. The only description he was given was how he comported himself which was described as "threateningly". I could be looking in all the wrong places, so if you don't mind linking to the story that would be great.

The underlying motivation of the police officer is not the issue here. While yes, there are instances where police have actively sought to kill individuals (an example of this would be the Mesla Police killing where the officer killed a sobbing man while crawling on the floor).

The issue is that this has become the standard within the police. They are meant to serve and protect, not kill civilians, especially not under the guise of them being afraid for their lives, which comes with the job. A civilian's life is top priority and we have seen a rise in police brutality and a lack of deescalation tactics. People shouldn't fear for their lives in the presence of police.

There are reports of how police aren't taught deescalation tactics and in some cases are taught to escalate matters. There is also a study which shows how former vets who join the police department are far less likely to use their gun. That's because they are much more disciplined and are taught not to panic in hostile environment so people don't go gun-ho when stationed in a foreign region. It's training like that, that should be adopted by police departments.