[Discussion] is the gum gum fruit good?

[24 12 11 to troll]

your problem is that you think g2 is only soru dude.. it`s the other way around g2 isnt soru g2 increases his physical ability then he uses soru among those physical abilitis comes his strength look at the deffrence between luffy`s regular punchs and g2 punchs ( even when luffy is standing still) the diffrence in attack speed is clear which means his attack speed went up (way up) now look at any soru user does the attack speed changese ? no because soru is a foot tech to increase mobility only while in g2 every one of luffy`s stats raise to another lvl

G2 isn't only Soru, but it certainly is fundamentally similar, based on the fact Luffy announced this to Blueno. His strength doesn't increase with G2, if it did then Doflamingo wouldn't have told him he needs to be stronger while his speed was "okay". Power is what you're talking about which is basically speed x strength, if only one variable increases his power is still going to increase. But if they remain the same then nothing changes. That is what will happen with Garp who can already use Soru and therefore, had he eaten the Gomu Gomu no Mi, wouldn't need G2 as it wouldn't be beneficial to him in any way shape or form

I havent seen soru cause fire to come outta ones body.

Luffy based G2 on Soru, this is common knowledge. He said he uses it to improve his speed to allow him to kick the ground 10 times in a second or less, CP9, whenever you see him blitz someone he's using a shitty version of Soru that harms his body

 

[xanonymosx]

G2 isn't only Soru, but it certainly is fundamentally similar, based on the fact Luffy announced this to Blueno. His strength doesn't increase with G2, if it did then Doflamingo wouldn't have told him he needs to be stronger while his speed was "okay". Power is what you're talking about which is basically speed x strength, if only one variable increases his power is still going to increase. But if they remain the same then nothing changes. That is what will happen with Garp who can already use Soru and therefore, had he eaten the Gomu Gomu no Mi, wouldn't need G2 as it wouldn't be beneficial to him in any way shape or form

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this guy`s ability to miss the point is worse than zoro`s sense of diraction ...

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

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this guy`s ability to miss the point is worse than zoro`s sense of diraction ...

Your grammar though

 

[xanonymosx]

thanks for proving my point

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

thanks for proving my point

Yep. Definitely proven. So convincing...

 

[ssjelf]

G2 isn't only Soru, but it certainly is fundamentally similar, based on the fact Luffy announced this to Blueno. His strength doesn't increase with G2, if it did then Doflamingo wouldn't have told him he needs to be stronger while his speed was "okay". Power is what you're talking about which is basically speed x strength, if only one variable increases his power is still going to increase. But if they remain the same then nothing changes. That is what will happen with Garp who can already use Soru and therefore, had he eaten the Gomu Gomu no Mi, wouldn't need G2 as it wouldn't be beneficial to him in any way shape or form



Luffy based G2 on Soru, this is common knowledge. He said he uses it to improve his speed to allow him to kick the ground 10 times in a second or less, CP9, whenever you see him blitz someone he's using a shitty version of Soru that harms his body

All you did was restate yourself. Show me a scan that shows soru causing fire to come out of ones body. Oh wait... Even if it was a lesser version of soru pre ts it isn't so now. Also how exactly does kicking the ground 10 times in and instanst cause luffys arm to shoot faster? G2 is more versatile than soru and thus could be of use to garp because it is effective in more ways than just increasing ground speed. And seeing as how soru comes from speed training and G2 is from a doping process, the two could be used at the same time in order to kick the ground lets say 20 times a second or so.

 

[IminLovewithMAryj]

All you did was restate yourself. Show me a scan that shows soru causing fire to come out of ones body. Oh wait... Even if it was a lesser version of soru pre ts it isn't so now. Also how exactly does kicking the ground 10 times in and instanst cause luffys arm to shoot faster? G2 is more versatile than soru and thus could be of use to garp because it is effective in more ways than just increasing ground speed. And seeing as how soru comes from speed training and G2 is from a doping process, the two could be used at the same time in order to kick the ground lets say 20 times a second or so.

Yeah, I've definitely noticed that this guy will conveniently ignore the points he can't retort and restate something that's already been acknowledged. And if you keep pushing and bringing attention to the aforementioned point(s) and the fact that he is blatantly ignoring them he will either:

A) Stop replying to you

or

B) Insult you

There's no admitting defeat with this one. No point in even engaging, really.

 

[Anduril]

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this guy`s ability to miss the point is worse than zoro`s sense of diraction ...

lol so true xD

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

All you did was restate yourself. Show me a scan that shows soru causing fire to come out of ones body. Oh wait... Even if it was a lesser version of soru pre ts it isn't so now. Also how exactly does kicking the ground 10 times in and instanst cause luffys arm to shoot faster? G2 is more versatile than soru and thus could be of use to garp because it is effective in more ways than just increasing ground speed. And seeing as how soru comes from speed training and G2 is from a doping process, the two could be used at the same time in order to kick the ground lets say 20 times a second or so.

I'm restating myself because nobody is grasping my point. Soru doesn't produce steam because it's a completed technique. Luffy manipulates the advantage of being rubber to have a shortcut to mimic Soru, it's an incomplete technique because of its medical damage. They are not one in the same, but the fact Garp already knows the technique G2 mimics it means the only benefit he will have would be fire imbued attacks, which, at his current level would proportionately make ill difference. Therefore, it's easy to see that if Garp had the Gomu Gomu no Mi he wouldn't invest in using G2 since he's already got a more complete and safer technique called Soru. G3 on the otherhand is a different story.

Yeah, I've definitely noticed that this guy will conveniently ignore the points he can't retort and restate something that's already been acknowledged. And if you keep pushing and bringing attention to the aforementioned point(s) and the fact that he is blatantly ignoring them he will either:

A) Stop replying to you

or

B) Insult you

There's no admitting defeat with this one. No point in even engaging, really.

I stop replying when I get bored because I sound like a broken record because there are only a few exceptions (BlackCloudsLightning, Riker Slade, Dr Strangelove, saw2097) in this section that have the ability to debate without saying the same debunked points over and over again with a different syntax. On top of all this, users that aren't one of the previously mentioned ones never grasp concepts presented to them and don't even understand the points they're trying to refute; hence sounding like a broken record as I try hopelessly to explain such a simple concept as this: Luffy based G2 on Soru, and since he couldn't use Soru he did the next best thing at the expense of his own health.

I don't quite understand what's so difficult to get about that and the fact that a Soru user won't substitute Soru for an "almost Soru" that is only detrimental to their health. I was simply saying G2 was useless to Garp if he ever got it.

Not sure what I've done to be labelled as insulting. There is no need to admit defeat because there's never been a debate to begin with. Just a simple, and easy concept(as I've said the same on other forums without this problem) that has somehow been misunderstood by so many that don't even know what G2 is

lol so true xD

That's the most hypocritical and ironic post I've ever seen on NB

 

[ssjelf]

I'm restating myself because nobody is grasping my point. Soru doesn't produce steam because it's a completed technique. Luffy manipulates the advantage of being rubber to have a shortcut to mimic Soru, it's an incomplete technique because of its medical damage. They are not one in the same, but the fact Garp already knows the technique G2 mimics it means the only benefit he will have would be fire imbued attacks, which, at his current level would proportionately make ill difference. Therefore, it's easy to see that if Garp had the Gomu Gomu no Mi he wouldn't invest in using G2 since he's already got a more complete and safer technique called Soru. G3 on the otherhand is a different story.


I stop replying when I get bored because I sound like a broken record because there are only a few exceptions (BlackCloudsLightning, Riker Slade, Dr Strangelove, saw2097) in this section that have the ability to debate without saying the same debunked points over and over again with a different syntax. On top of all this, users that aren't one of the previously mentioned ones never grasp concepts presented to them and don't even understand the points they're trying to refute; hence sounding like a broken record as I try hopelessly to explain such a simple concept as this: Luffy based G2 on Soru, and since he couldn't use Soru he did the next best thing at the expense of his own health.

I don't quite understand what's so difficult to get about that and the fact that a Soru user won't substitute Soru for an "almost Soru" that is only detrimental to their health. I was simply saying G2 was useless to Garp if he ever got it.

Not sure what I've done to be labelled as insulting. There is no need to admit defeat because there's never been a debate to begin with. Just a simple, and easy concept(as I've said the same on other forums without this problem) that has somehow been misunderstood by so many that don't even know what G2 is


That's the most hypocritical and ironic post I've ever seen on NB

Its not a shortcut to soru so much as it is an alternative to it. It is speed gained in another way that was inspired from soru. This means that the two can be used in conjunction with one another. Its not like there is a speed cap. This makes it useful.

I like how you say you will sound like a broken record because we don't get your "simple" facts. And then proceed to say only those 4 and you are the ones who can debate without repeating the same "debunked points. You do see how easily that argument can be made against you right? Its a matter of perspective. From ours, you are the one repeating the same debunked points.

Its not substituting soru its complimenting soru. Rather if soru is learned through training to increase your speed in order to kick ten times in a second and G2 is a steroid (doping) in order to do it, then combining the two should be useful as you gain from your previous training as well as the steroid. It is also a versatile technique in conjunction with gomu gomu no mi because it increases stretch speed and ground speed. Like I asked (and you dodged) how does kicking the ground in 10 times in a sec (the basis of soru) increase stretch speed? the answer is that it doesnt. Which proves that soru is not as versatile with gomu gomu. In other words, with only soru, luffy's ground speed would go up but wouldn't be able to use jet attacks which have a significant increase in power. (see luffy vs blunoe) Luffy didn't step ten times in a second to jet pistol or bazooka blunoe, in fact he didnt move at all and therefore wasnt using soru but still had the inccreased power which means once again that g2 gives more power that souru doesnt. The health trade off hasn't effected luffy yet except to make him more tired pre-ts. It also had never done anything like that post-ts. The adverse effects may still be there albeit at a reduced amount.

You should reread all your posts in the roger vs admiral thread.

"I find their idiocy entertaining, just ignore them, they'll rage and think they've won"
"You're held in a lower regard, nobody will listen, hence automatically considered wrong"
"This is so boring and tedious. Macho, stop clinging to your pathetic misreading of a single manga page and actually make an argument.
"I've been blown away by your incredible intellect" (sarcasm)
"He's definitely in the Manga you moron..."
"Anduril... get rekt m9 /thread"

I am sure I could find more if NB records went further back.

 

[Love Cook]

Oda purposely gave Luffy one of the worst fruits, he said it in an interview.

I think it's refreshing to have a shonen manga where the main character doesn't start with the best things like he is destined or a child of legend or whatever.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Its not a shortcut to soru so much as it is an alternative to it. It is speed gained in another way that was inspired from soru. This means that the two can be used in conjunction with one another. Its not like there is a speed cap. This makes it useful.

It's a mimic of Soru obtained through a shortcut which harms his own body. I literally just said the same thing you said. Considering it was designed to push his body to a certain point that he could use Soru, it's incredibly similar and essentially, when looking at it in depth the same thing.

I like how you say you will sound like a broken record because we don't get your "simple" facts. And then proceed to say only those 4 and you are the ones who can debate without repeating the same "debunked points. You do see how easily that argument can be made against you right? Its a matter of perspective. From ours, you are the one repeating the same debunked points.

I'm saying this because I'm repeating a misunderstood point in hopes that people will eventually understand. Evidently, this is never going to happen, after all it's Narutobase. You've debunked points I never made, that's what is frustrating. You can never debate here because you just get people thinking you've said something different and argue against something you never said, perfect example is on the thread about Zoro getting more Ni and Itoryuu techniques in which Caliburn decided to send me diatribes about things I never said.

Its not substituting soru its complimenting soru. Rather if soru is learned through training to increase your speed in order to kick ten times in a second and G2 is a steroid (doping) in order to do it, then combining the two should be useful as you gain from your previous training as well as the steroid. It is also a versatile technique in conjunction with gomu gomu no mi because it increases stretch speed and ground speed. Like I asked (and you dodged) how does kicking the ground in 10 times in a sec (the basis of soru) increase stretch speed? the answer is that it doesnt. Which proves that soru is not as versatile with gomu gomu. In other words, with only soru, luffy's ground speed would go up but wouldn't be able to use jet attacks which have a significant increase in power. (see luffy vs blunoe) Luffy didn't step ten times in a second to jet pistol or bazooka blunoe, in fact he didnt move at all and therefore wasnt using soru but still had the inccreased power which means once again that g2 gives more power that souru doesnt. The health trade off hasn't effected luffy yet except to make him more tired pre-ts. It also had never done anything like that post-ts. The adverse effects may still be there albeit at a reduced amount.

So it's complementing a technique Luffy couldn't otherwise use? Right... That makes... "perfect" sense. Exactly. It's essentially a rubber doping scheme. Doping only works through training and doesn't instantly increase your capabilities, hence, nothing will change for Garp. This is what I've been saying the entire time. Luffy's stretch speed hasn't been shown to increase. It's the speed with which he covers ground (and hence dodges attacks) which is his strength in G2. If he uses the velocity he can gain in G2 then that increases his power, these are jet attacks, before you yet again misunderstand me, look up the formulas for velocity and power, it doesn't improve his muscular strength, so again it wouldn't effect Garp in the slightest in this sense.

The fact is, Garp using a gear which wouldn't improve his abilities in the slightest (considering he already has them) would be retarded if he ever ate the Gomu Gomu no Mi because he doesn't benefit from it at all

You should reread all your posts in the roger vs admiral thread.

"I find their idiocy entertaining, just ignore them, they'll rage and think they've won"

E.g. in this thread, right?

"You're held in a lower regard, nobody will listen, hence automatically considered wrong"

How is that insulting? It was an explanation of peoples perceptions

"This is so boring and tedious. Macho, stop clinging to your pathetic misreading of a single manga page and actually make an argument.

Was the truth though, the whole thread was against him and it went on for like 10 pages

"I've been blown away by your incredible intellect" (sarcasm)

Since his shots were fired first...

"He's definitely in the Manga you moron..."

Considering whoever I told that said the Pirate King wasn't in the Manga that's fairly justifiable

"Anduril... get rekt m9 /thread"

He was disproven

I am sure I could find more if NB records went further back.

These aren't insults

 

[ssjelf]

It's a mimic of Soru obtained through a shortcut which harms his own body. I literally just said the same thing you said. Considering it was designed to push his body to a certain point that he could use Soru, it's incredibly similar and essentially, when looking at it in depth the same thing.


I'm saying this because I'm repeating a misunderstood point in hopes that people will eventually understand. Evidently, this is never going to happen, after all it's Narutobase. You've debunked points I never made, that's what is frustrating. You can never debate here because you just get people thinking you've said something different and argue against something you never said, perfect example is on the thread about Zoro getting more Ni and Itoryuu techniques in which Caliburn decided to send me diatribes about things I never said.


So it's complementing a technique Luffy couldn't otherwise use? Right... That makes... "perfect" sense. Exactly. It's essentially a rubber doping scheme. Doping only works through training and doesn't instantly increase your capabilities, hence, nothing will change for Garp. This is what I've been saying the entire time. Luffy's stretch speed hasn't been shown to increase. It's the speed with which he covers ground (and hence dodges attacks) which is his strength in G2. If he uses the velocity he can gain in G2 then that increases his power, these are jet attacks, before you yet again misunderstand me, look up the formulas for velocity and power, it doesn't improve his muscular strength, so again it wouldn't effect Garp in the slightest in this sense.

The fact is, Garp using a gear which wouldn't improve his abilities in the slightest (considering he already has them) would be retarded if he ever ate the Gomu Gomu no Mi because he doesn't benefit from it at all





E.g. in this thread, right?

How is that insulting? It was an explanation of peoples perceptions

Was the truth though, the whole thread was against him and it went on for like 10 pages

Since his shots were fired first...

Considering whoever I told that said the Pirate King wasn't in the Manga that's fairly justifiable

He was disproven


These aren't insults

Soru and G2 are similar. But G2 does things soru cant. I have listed proof but you dodged my proofs and wont deabte them twiice now.

I bring up obvious counter points and disprove them because I can look at things from another view point. Instead of answering them when you ask them, I will answer them before because they are obvious points to attack if you disagree with me. I am just trying to save hassle and it does, it is a way to promote a point. You might have to get used to people countering points not masde by anyone in particular if you want to debate, its how they work. If it was in person it would be easy enough to go point by point but because it is on the internet, doing that could take ages.

Complimenting a technique GARP CAN use. You know garp is the subject matter of this debate right? Luffy "trained" for G2 in a night. Garp dedicating a night to use a technique like G2 sounds worth it.

His stretch speed has been shown to increase. In his fight with blunoe he used both jet pistol and jet bazooka without stepping at all. It increased stretch speed. So how is G2 only soru? You dodged this point.

Force= mass times acceleration. G2 allows increased stretch speed. which allows his attacks to do more power. Soru does not increase the stretch speed.

m/s^2 meaning the change in velocity over a set time. Luffy arm accelerated much faster in G2.

Regarding the insults: You are avoiding IminLovewithMAryj's point regarding how you react to things. You ignore (like you did with my proof and with his point) and then you insult. My previous post was to prove that you do in fact insult people and quite frequently. "not sure what ivs done to be labeled insulting" all threads apply to that statement.
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He was referring to your behavior in all threads. I provided evidence.

Its an insult because you said he was held in less regard. Not his argument but HIM personally. Its an insult due to that.

Your perspective of truth does not justify your behavior.

Still an insult. And from my reading of the thread, you did actually.

That was me actually and first of all you misinterpreted my point which i later clarified and you still think that i was saying Roger never appeared in the manga. my point was to say that it isnt about him and he any active influence over the story. Secondly, the point of this was to say that either you ignore someones point (which you did twice in your reply here) or you insult which I just proved you do. Again this is still an insult

Still an insult regardless of your interpretation of things.

Yes they are. When it isnt so late I will make a formal complaint if you want and we can find out.

 

[Tomato God]

Gomu gumo no mi is better than ninety percent of fruits due to its immunity to blunt attacks and bullets as well as its agumented strength.
I mean how many times has luffy said "because I'm made of rubber" as the reason he didnt die? If luffy didnt eat the gomu gomu no mi and ate another fruit axe arm morgans marines would have shot him dead and the zoro dead
Plus it gives you range.
Its the perfect brawler fruit