Is suicide a selfish act?

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Right but at the end of the day a persons moral is unique to them and them alone everyone's sense of moral is a little different...for example if somebody slapped you, you may think it's fair to punch that person and that's about it..but if a person slapped me in the same way i may think that person deserves to be killed. Maybe everyones morality is the same in idea that we all know senseless killing is bad or whatever you are arguing, but it doesn't mean that every part of everybody's morality is the same or was the same in any time of humans existance, there never was one true morality and even the thought of that doesn't make sense each human is born differently with differences in the way we think and the way we do things we cannot all agree on even basic moral

It is impossible to prove that there is no one morality but you cannot disprove it either, however it is easy to disprove the fact that there is not a true/ absoulute morality.

Sir, what you are referring to are particular moral values, slap someone and you fight back or you turn the other cheek. What I am arguing for is not the particulars but the form the "ought" which Kant defines as the "Categorical Imperative" that which can be defined by no other term but itself. The idea of "ought" is external from the influence of cultural differences and cannot be conveyed to anyone neither by your mentor, your society or your culture, it is an innate consciousness of obligation of morals values.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

There actually is a basic set of morals all humans share and is most likely genetic. They've tested this by presenting the same scenarios to people across cultures and seeing what choices they would make and in certain circumstances almost everyone answers the same way.

Indeed, whether it is genetic, anthropological or divine in nature is a matter of speculation or research, but the fact remains that there are absolute immutable moral laws that are external from the influences of culture and dogma.

 

[PhazoN]

There actually is a basic set of morals all humans share and is most likely genetic. They've tested this by presenting the same scenarios to people across cultures and seeing what choices they would make and in certain circumstances almost everyone answers the same way.

All humans share it? Highly doubt it.
"One man's right is another man's wrong...
One man's pleasure is another man's pain...
One man's good is another man's evil..."
Please provide an example of something that ALL humans consider evil/wrong.

 

[ZK]

Sir, you are confusing concepts, murder is distinct from killing because it is unlawful killing because it involves malice. while "killing" in the strictest definition is to cause death you kill someone out of self-defense or by accident then it is not considered murder and therefore you did not violate the law. Capital punishment is not murder but killing by taking the life of the convicted criminal as the retribution of the law and the state for the offenses committed. You are confusing terms.

Laws that are subjective. They're subject to change, they have changed and they are changing. Laws one bade one to stone blasphemers to death; was that morally right? Unlawful is not a valid argument when it comes to morals and ethics, as laws are a product of the moral values we've accepted and integrated into our society.
You're not adressing the main issue; taking another's life has once been considered good and morally correct.

Indeed, whether it is genetic, anthropological or divine in nature is a matter of speculation or research, but the fact remains that there are absolute immutable moral laws that are external from the influences of culture and dogma.

What you're talking about is instincts. Biology. Which has nothing to do with 'right or wrong'. There is no feeling of 'right' or 'wrong' in killing or not killing instinctually.
You're confusing 'absolute moral values' with instincts. You're not talking about morals, you're talking about genetics. Almost every single race on Earth incstinctually avoids killing or kills members of its own race, yet these Animals have no sense of right and wrong, because such basic instinctual behavior does not fall under the category of moral values.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

What you're talking about is instincts. Biology. Which has nothing to do with 'right or wrong'. There is no feeling of 'right' or 'wrong' in killing or not killing instinctually.
You're confusing 'absolute moral values' with instincts. You're not talking about morals, you're talking about genetics. Almost every single race on Earth incstinctually avoids killing or kills members of its own race, yet these Animals have no sense of right and wrong, because such basic instinctual behavior does not fall under the category of moral values.

Exactly they have no sense of right and wrong because they lack the faculties of rational thought, but you are mistaken again in that you assume I was referring to the genetics of the lower animals for I meant it, in the context of my statement, exclusively to humans, beings of rational thought. You merely took my words out of context, pray do tell how animals can have culture and dogma if I meant to refer to them as well?

 

[Jukain]

In most cases yes

 

[Two]

Exactly they have no sense of right and wrong because they lack the faculties of rational thought, but you are mistaken again in that you assume I was referring to the genetics of the lower animals for I meant it, in the context of my statement, exclusively to humans, beings of rational thought. You merely took my words out of context, pray do tell how animals can have culture and dogma if I meant to refer to them as well?

i agree.
But to say that there is 1ONE1 absolute morality is wrong there are anomalies and not everysingle persons morals are the same...in general is there a consensus on moral yes, but that doesn't mean there is an absolute moral ...which is what i have been trying to say the whole time

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

i agree.
But to say that there is 1ONE1 absolute morality is wrong there are anomalies and not everysingle persons morals are the same...in general is there a consensus on moral yes, but that doesn't mean there is an absolute moral ...which is what i have been trying to say the whole time

Like I said before. I am not arguing for the particulars of morality that is influenced by society or culture but that of the categorical imperative that is universal and innate in human beings.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

It's a hard question to answer. If someone is suffering from some sort of disease or something, and they are in pain, they should be allowed to relieved of their pain. If his/her loved ones wants him to stay alive because they don't want to lose that person, that in turn makes them selfish.

Old people who live most of their last years in hospitals should be allowed to die if that's what they want, but that is not legal. But we put down dogs when they get too old, or too sick.

I had a friend who killed himself. I won't give all the details, but it was a gruesome death. I don't know his reasoning behind it, but he wasn't ill or anything, had a ton of friends and was loved by many people. He did it at 19 years old. He did it the selfish way

 

[Scryed]

Depends on the situation.

Suicide itself isn't really an easy thing to do since some people don't have the courage to do it and end up backing away from it. Yet, if they would have done it anyway, they'll still be considered cowards by other people. In the end, it's all a matter of opinion. Just like people here have different opinions about it.

 

[The Alchemist]

I think it's an easy way out for those that are suffering/depressed. Not only that, but by doing so they also make others suffer, voluntarily or not. Overcoming obstacles in life, that's what takes true bravery, imo. What do you think?

If you think it's a selfish act or that it's cowardly then you've obviously never had the inclination. I have and going through with it takes balls. Also most people alive are living for selfish reasons so that point is moot really.
Suicide is a personal act, some do it for honor, some do it to avoid certain traumas(like how tens of thousands of German women comitted suicide rather than be raped by the Red army), and some do it because they realize that they live in a ****ed up world with ****ed up rules and are surrounded by ****ed up people. That isn't selfish, cowardly, or crazy it's just an option some choose to take.

 

[MrsJDepp]

yes it is. But it's also understandable. If someone can't bear the pain he or she carries inside it's sad but at the same time not the fault of that Person. We are just humans and not machines and humans are sensitive and weak beings so all you can do is to have and to show understanding.

 

['Toxic]

It all depends on the situation. I don't personally think is selfish if that person has no one. Not even his/her parents- so it's not selfish because he/she isn't living for anyone.

It's also not a coward thing to do as many of you believe nor the easier way out. It takes guts and that person must be suffering greatly . Selfish are those who now the person is hurting and don't step up to help them out. Selfish are those who cause him/her to want to end their lives. Selfish are those who bash those who have committed suicide without truly understanding the persons' problems and suffering.

You could never understand the pain of others unless you've truly suffered and have come to TRULY understand what suffering is. I understand suffering and have attempted suicide in the past, which is why I can honestly tell you that it's hard to end your life.

You have to also know that we're all different, what upsets you may not upset someone else. There's many things that come into play- people who suffer depression, have chemicals in their brains that are unbalanced. In a way, there sick and their ways of thinking are a bit different because of that. So I would never call someone who suicides a coward or look down on them, after all- I didn't meet him/her so I could never known them to judge them.

p.s also genetics comes into play, since some people who had family members that suffered from depression have a higher chance of getting depression as well but it's not set in stone.

 

[thai sage]

I think it's an easy way out for those that are suffering/depressed. Not only that, but by doing so they also make others suffer, voluntarily or not. Overcoming obstacles in life, that's what takes true bravery, imo. What do you think?

i think its unfair to judge anyone in the situation of where they might consider taking that route, you dont know the situation of each individual person who might contemplate or attempt that sort of thing. You dont know how you would handle the situations that person has gone through, you can say that you would take the other road but until you have experienced what they have, which is impossible, you can say with an absolute certainty given the same circumstances you wouldn't do the same thing.

I do agree though, that it takes true bravery to overcome some very overwhelming obstacles that people get put into in this crazy world, but that dosent meant that people who lack this courage are selfish or should intern be judged by others, it just makes you think before you judge someone, you dont know whats going on in their day their life or what have you, we should all try to be a bit more understanding of each other.

 

[sG Taka]

You are all a bunch of judgmental pricks. Nobody can judge a person who commits suicide other than him or herself.

Learn some ****ing respect.

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

Im sorry to disagree but it is not selfish unless you have someone depending on you. Theres a real moral issue when one leaves a child to fend for himself. However I digress and bring back my earlier point. If you live alone and noone depending on you then suicide is not considered selfish. Of course, it is a foolish and contemptable move in ones decision. A questionable decision to say the least.

 

[-Punk-]

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[cptenn94]

im sorry but suicide in most cases are selfish that is the fact. you can argue it however you want, but it is selfish. The thing is is to argue if its right or wrong. That is up to everybody. I think it is wrong no matter what.

The only time it is fine if it is to save someone, like going on a suicide mission etc.

 

[zamki]

It's a bitch move, truthfully I don't care the slightest bit about those people.
I don't feel like I lost something valuable whenever someone commits suicide.

totally agree with this

 

[admireableman]

If you can't come in this world with your wish than you don't have right to leave this world with your wish.
By the way those who don't believe in Allah(God) they shouldn't be any problem with suicide.