What has been the true reason of his power? If its rinnegan, then Madara must have powers like his. But I don't think it is. will it would be? chakra? knowledge? what do you think guys?
It must have been the chakra reserves that he got from the Juubi.
Wait, never mind that, because even on his deathbed (which means the biju were already created, which also means the Sage of the Six Paths was not the Juubi's jinchuuriki anymore) he created the moon. He's just that powerful.
But Nagato did state that his mastery over the Rinnegan pales in comparison to that of the Sage, so I'd say it could be that.
well in that case we have two situations:
First, the situation in which the person's Rinnegans are his own. (Madara's case)
Second, the situation in which the person's Rinnegans are not his own (Nagato's case)
well in the former I think all of us agree that Madara is not comparable to SO6P and in the latter Nagato has the same situation as the first So I think it must have another reason besides the Rinnegan to have such great powers
I think it's due to his teachings about chakara and clearly after becoming the 10 tails host..I mean he took the Juubi's powers and split them and formed living animals into them.
His powers were definitely due to the Rinnegan and the Chakra reserves from the Juubi (It's unlimited). The Deathbed thing is amazing, but he had the Rinnegan for literally his entire life (If you assume he defeated the Juubi when he was younger) so he could master it even more than Nagato. His chakra reserves normally were probably massive, which is another hint to being an Uzumaki.
What has been the true reason of his power? If its rinnegan, then Madara must have powers like his. But I don't think it is. will it would be? chakra? knowledge? what do you think guys?
Yeah, interesting question. We will know the answer soon enough. As for now, from what I saw about Hashirama, I can safely say his power wasn't due to Rinnegan.
I mean, the scale of Jutsu that Hashirama had, and the fact that he did not even bother becoming the Jinchuriki of Kurama show that the guy did not need any power up. The fact that he distribute Biju to potential enemy also corroborate this fact. Hashirama did not have Rinnegan, and I am pretty sure he could have curb stomped a Rinnegan user.
Also recall what Madara said to Obito:
- You can use Gedo Mazou without Rinnegan, but it will be perfect if you have Rinnegan.
- I will teach you the Rikudo Jutsu (six path techs). That what Madara said, and at that time Madara had no Rinnegan. This mean that six path techs are possible without Rinnegan, otherwise how Madara could teach it.
From that, it seems that all these are Rikkudo's Sennin own techs without Juubi (Uchiha+Senju). I also think that any of the Uchiha or Senju can use them if he has a beast load of life force and Spiritual energy. Hashirama was such person, and Nagato as well.
Here are the evidences:
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- As you can see the only requirement for controlling Gedo Mazou is Senju+Uchiha (i.e., Rikudo's DNA reconstituted)
- To use six path techs, Obito need only Senju+Uchiha + Madara's will.
I think Rinnegan is just a book of Jutsu. It is mere knowledge and insight. Once you have it, you can understand everything. The power to do what you understand comes from your own self. So I think, SO6P's power came from himself, and obtaining Rinnegan only allowed him to understand his own power and the powers of others.
------- edit: Matters for debate -----
1. How did the SO6P obtained Rinnegan, and when (relatively to Juubi)
2. Who are the Uzumakis
- They are characterize by great longevity (life force - by Kushina)
- They also have special chakra ( Mito, Kushina, Nagato, and Naruto), strong enough to suppress Kyuubi's chakra.
- Kushina's chain Jutsu is no less that the chain from the outter path of Rinnegan.
- While Obito and Madara needed a body made of Senju and Uchiha to use Rinnegan, Nagato could use Rinnegan directly without requiring an Uchiha cell. An explanation would be that Uchiha's cell are in Rinnegan, but I think it would be wrong because in this case, Senju cell would be in the Rinnegan. Thus Kabuto would not need to fuse Hashirama with Madara able to use his Rinnegan in edo form.
It seems more like Uzumaki = Uchiha +Senju, and Rinnegan is a rare dojutsu among the Uzumaki. I mean not all of the Uzumaki have the potential to awaken it because it mean possess beast load of Uchiha power as Madara and beast load of Senju power as Hashirama.
His powers were definitely due to the Rinnegan and the Chakra reserves from the Juubi (It's unlimited). The Deathbed thing is amazing, but he had the Rinnegan for literally his entire life (If you assume he defeated the Juubi when he was younger) so he could master it even more than Nagato. His chakra reserves normally were probably massive, which is another hint to being an Uzumaki.
If the sage of six path was an uzamaki he wouldn't of died when extracting the ten tails.
Every uzamaki jinchuuriki did not die from extraction. Reason why naruto was picked to be a jinchuuriki including kushina.
If the sage of six path was an uzamaki he wouldn't of died when extracting the ten tails.
Every uzamaki jinchuuriki did not die from extraction. Reason why naruto was picked to be a jinchuuriki including kushina.
He SPLIT THE JUUBI UP, first off. Then on his death bed he sealed the shell into what is now known as the moon with Chibaku Tensei. It's shown in the manga that he was standing in the middle of the nine Bijuu... Shouldn't that tell you something? The JUUBI WAS ALREADY OUTSIDE OF HIM (More specifically split up into the 9 Bijuu). When he was dying, in a last ditch effort to make sure it wasn't revived, he sealed the shell in the moon.
He SPLIT THE JUUBI UP, first off. Then on his death bed he sealed the shell into what is now known as the moon with Chibaku Tensei. It's shown in the manga that he was standing in the middle of the nine Bijuu... Shouldn't that tell you something? The JUUBI WAS ALREADY OUTSIDE OF HIM (More specifically split up into the 9 Bijuu). When he was dying, in a last ditch effort to make sure it wasn't revived, he sealed the shell in the moon.
Madara and Nagato have less experience then SO6P.. hell they aren't even in the same league as Hashirama.. who can make a room crack just by raising up his chakra..
It was due to his Rinnegan he created ninjutsu, so it is technically due to his Rinnegan that hes powerful.
