Is Sasuke a criminal?

Is Sasuke a criminal?

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Can be, which is a matter of probability. We saw random incursions from Raikage's direct heir to the political seat, yet no retaliation occurred. A peace-treaty was signed despite Sand's role in a war waged through an alliance with Sound.

I know what Sasuke did and what he didn't. Attack happened from the opposition first; a hasty maneuver. These are also indisputable facts. But it's okay, you adore the other side of the argument. Secondly which part of the word world is so elusive to you? Sasuke is a criminal in five Nations only. That's where the boundary ends.

Can be, and in Sasuke's case is. He was on Tobi's side when he declared the Fourth Shinobi World War. There are no ifs or butts about it. Sasuke is classified as a criminal.

Sand is a village, aligned with a country. Sasuke is a rogue shinobi aligned with more rogue shinobi. Big difference.

The Great Five and their allies all consider Sasuke a criminal, and if you used some common sense, the smaller countries that aren't allied but don't want to get on the Great Five's bad side, they won't see Sasuke favourably either.

You have no leg to stand on.

Oh yeah, some generals. The Leaf could have easily went to war with the Cloud for trying to take the Byakugan away, or when the sand allied with the sound and nearly crushed the Leaf.

They could have gone to war and they would have lost. Konoha was weakened after the Kyūbi attack. They couldn't afford to go to war so they didn't. Very simple.
 

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They could have gone to war and they would have lost. Konoha was weakened after the Kyūbi attack. They couldn't afford to go to war so they didn't. Very simple.
You're standing up for those so called "world leaders" as if they are saints with no dark deeds. Nice to see you haven't been reading the same manga as I.
 

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You're standing up for those so called "world leaders" as if they are saints with no dark deeds. Nice to see you haven't been reading the same manga as I.

I never claimed either side had the moral high ground. Sasuke is an individual and a rogue shinobi. The Kage are a high ranking officials. Sasuke tried to kill several high ranking officials. That is a crime. Irrelevant morality and opinions aside, he is, in fact, a criminal.
 

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Can be, and in Sasuke's case is. He was on Tobi's side when he declared the Fourth Shinobi World War. There are no ifs or butts about it. Sasuke is classified as a criminal.

Sand is a village, aligned with a country. Sasuke is a rogue shinobi aligned with more rogue shinobi. Big difference.

The Great Five and their allies all consider Sasuke a criminal, and if you used some common sense, the smaller countries that aren't allied but don't want to get on the Great Five's bad side, they won't see Sasuke favourably either.

You have no leg to stand on.

They could have gone to war and they would have lost. Konoha was weakened after the Kyūbi attack. They couldn't afford to go to war so they didn't. Very simple.

What do you count as international? The fourth shinobi war was declared for the five Nations only. That's where the verges end. These nations themselves make up a fistful of world's population. I don't see your point. But then again, you never had any.

What are you talking about here? The point was raised in regards to the facts that despite the death of Hiruzen, random incursions from the Kages, nothing occurred. The fourth Ninja war was declared on these five villages, the rest of the world falls outside its verges. So the term 'international' is quite limited in its scope.

What allies? I would like to see any proof of this. Let's not make stuff up to prove points. I suggest you do the same or better yet, read the first the mission Team 7 took, it would be an eye opener in regards to the overall political factors.

You love making points up, I see. Take out those support crutches created out of non-existent manga facts. You'll surely land face first on the ground, as Sasuke was considered a hero amongst the people kidnapped from small villages. The whole Narutoverse doesn't spin around the five Nations and the Hidden Rain village certainly had no heart for them, which is why they loved their Akatsuki leaders. They were content and thriving until Konoha decided to meddle in their political affairs.

I love the fact how you consider the term criminal so damn ridiculously, completely ignoring the fact that any nation who has either faced the great five's ire or has been destroyed or has received financial loss because of their constant wars and acts of terrorism would support any lobby that tries to bring them down. It's literally amateur politics.
 

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when he attempted murder on the gokage and joined an international terrorist organization, yeah he became a criminal!
 

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I still can't believe people are so hung over the fact that Sasuke helped Akatsuki and considering that to be a damnable offense.Yet the current Kazekage was a blood thirsty psychopath who killed people to 'feel alive' who got a free pass for his past actions along with several other characters.

Why is Sasuke the only one that gets raked over the coals?
 

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when he attempted murder on the gokage and joined an international terrorist organization, yeah he became a criminal!

Sasuke only wanted Danzo and the last part ain't even true.Sasuke never joined Akatsuki in fact he was'nt even loyal to them in the first place.He used them accomplish his goals.
 

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Sasuke only wanted Danzo and the last part ain't even true.Sasuke never joined Akatsuki in fact he was'nt even loyal to them in the first place.He used them accomplish his goals.

Finally, someone talking sense.
 

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Why is Sasuke the only one that gets raked over the coals?
Because it's Sasuke.

> Gaara kills someone. Who cares. After all, he is Kazekage.

> Sasuke kills someone. Oh my god! Sasuke is such a mass murderer.
 

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Yeah,somone has to correct that false assumption.

People just love to drag Sasuke through the dirt, and let others off for doing exactly the same, but a million times worse. Even Obito is pardonable by the base, along with the utterly psychotic Gaara. But damn, people here hate Sasuke to unfathomable limits, as if he stole their breast milk when they were young.
 

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People just love to drag Sasuke through the dirt, and let others off for doing exactly the same, but a million times worse. Even Obito is pardonable by the base, along with the utterly psychotic Gaara. But damn, people here hate Sasuke to unfathomable limits, as if he stole their breast milk when they were young.

It's unreal how much one character can get hated.Only Sakura receives the same amount of hate that Sasuke gets.
 

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It's unreal how much one character can get hated.Only Sakura receives the same amount of hate that Sasuke gets.

Never understood it, to be honest. I just find it laughable to see a bunch of nerds hating a cartoon character so passionately.
 

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Never understood it, to be honest. I just find it laughable to see a bunch of nerds hating a cartoon character so passionately.

Sasuke did everyone a favour when he killed Danzo, he had i coming for a loooong time. Thats the only non-fodder person Sasuke actually killed. So most people should applaud Sasuke for that...
 

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Sasuke did everyone a favour when he killed Danzo, he had i coming for a loooong time. Thats the only non-fodder person Sasuke actually killed. So most people should applaud Sasuke for that...

But that's added into another list of his crimes. Lol
 

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What do you count as international? The fourth shinobi war was declared for the five Nations only. That's where the verges end. These nations themselves make up a fistful of world's population. I don't see your point. But then again, you never had any.

What are you talking about here? The point was raised in regards to the facts that despite the death of Hiruzen, random incursions from the Kages, nothing occurred. The fourth Ninja war was declared on these five villages, the rest of the world falls outside its verges. So the term 'international' is quite limited in its scope.

What allies? I would like to see any proof of this. Let's not make stuff up to prove points. I suggest you do the same or better yet, read the first the mission Team 7 took, it would be an eye opener in regards to the overall political factors.

You love making points up, I see. Take out those support crutches created out of non-existent manga facts. You'll surely land face first on the ground, as Sasuke was considered a hero amongst the people kidnapped from small villages. The whole Narutoverse doesn't spin around the five Nations and the Hidden Rain village certainly had no heart for them, which is why they loved their Akatsuki leaders. They were content and thriving until Konoha decided to meddle in their political affairs.

I love the fact how you consider the term criminal so damn ridiculously, completely ignoring the fact that any nation who has either faced the great five's ire or has been destroyed or has received financial loss because of their constant wars and acts of terrorism would support any lobby that tries to bring them down. It's literally amateur politics.

Your post is sheer desperation and none of your points have any basis in fact. The five most powerful countries in the entire world all have Sasuke on their shitlist. That means as good as the entire world either wants him dead or wants nothing to do with him. This is indisputable and not a matter of opinion or morality. The people with the authority and power want Sasuke dead or locked up. Your opinion doesn't change that.

You're free to ignore the facts if it helps you can sleep at night, however that doesn't change that they are facts.

I still can't believe people are so hung over the fact that Sasuke helped Akatsuki and considering that to be a damnable offense.Yet the current Kazekage was a blood thirsty psychopath who killed people to 'feel alive' who got a free pass for his past actions along with several other characters.

Why is Sasuke the only one that gets raked over the coals?

We're not discussing Gaara, we're discussing Sasuke. The OP asked a question, and the rational people debating the question in this thread have tried to answer it using logic and evidence, whilst people like shelke try to shout down anyone that comes to a conclusion that does not jive with their bias.
 
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Your post is sheer desperation and none of your points have any basis in fact. The five most powerful countries in the entire world all have Sasuke on their shitlist. That means as good as the entire world either wants him dead or wants nothing to do with him. This is indisputable and not a matter of opinion or morality. The people with the authority and power want Sasuke dead or locked up. Your opinion doesn't change that.

You're free to ignore the facts if it helps you can sleep at night, however that doesn't change that they are facts.

Don't post your own assumptions as facts, your post reeks of it. If you cannot cook up something decent, don't bother yourself. Or more importantly me. I already gave you an example of Hidden Rain Village, and from the looks of it, it has yet to sink in properly. Reread the parts to save me the trouble to try and explain things to you.

Do you see any moral points in my post? Don't recall mentioning them in this post. Already told you, this 'International logic' has a limited scope. Your baseless opinions are not going to change the facts that two hidden villages were run by Akastsuki members, and both of them were content with the arrangement. In fact, Hidden Rain was a thriving village, until Konoha decided to mess up its political stability. Jiraiya got what he deserved and so did Konoha for their random incursion. See? Not everyone follows the great 5.

I sleep at night without worrying about the manga. I have better things to do in real life.
 

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Sasuke being real. If you ain't useful in the moment, you wouldn't get in the person way of saving the world. Sasuke is thinking like a shinobi that Danzo and the 2nd hokage would like. Sasuke only saved nartuo, cuz he know for a fact that he can't do it without him. If he had knew that kakashi and sakura would be useful, he would've save them intentionally too. He being realistic here. But the plot-no-jutsu want to play the friendship card here.

Naruto would rather save bunch of friends than save the world. You can't deny that for sure.

Honestly, I don't think sasuke will return to the village, He will form his small lil village or clan and watch over the hidden leaf village from within the shadow.

That's not being real, that's being dumb, heartless, and arrogant. 1st off you have a medical ninja who can heal the wounds that you will receive in the fight against a god like Kaguya, she healed Naruto at least 2x in the war and he's been fighting for like 2-3 days so how is she useless in a fight? You have Kakashi who is a smart and experienced ninja who can offer strategies and who have honorably fighting in the war much longer than Sasuke have been. Oh and you're wrong, Tobirama would not like Sasuke for the very fact that he actually sacrificed his life to save his comrades where as Sasuke would leave his team to die if they couldn't help him at that very moment.

Even if Sakura and Kakashi can buy them seconds in exchange for their life in combat, it would do much more than just not even bothering in saving them. Wars are won by soldiers, both the smart and the strong, having others who can aid you in either field is much better than only having two. Do you expect Naruto to do most of the work then? It was Naruto's and Kakashi plans that delivered blows to Kaguya, not Sasuke's and it was Naruto kindness that allowed Sasuke to no be roaming the dessert dimension still. Sasuke's state of mind would have him still alone in that dimension and Naruto trying to hold his own against Kaguya until she kills him or until he start using his full avatar mode and maybe match her even better.

Nardo and minato are criminals.
They spared Obito, resulting in living madara killing countless lives, accomplices of mass murder.

Nice hokage candidates right there:rolleyes:

That's a dumb way to look at it, you can easily say Itachi is a criminal for not killing Sasuke since that would prevent Orochimaru from getting him and prevent Orochimaru from dying and Kabuto turning into Kabumaru and joining Obito which made all of the Edo's including Edo Madara. Akatsuki still wanted Orochimaru dead for leaving Akatsuki and he is also viewed as an international criminal for being in Akatsuki and resulting in the death of the 4th Kazekage and 3rd Hokage. Orochimaru was against Akatsuki as well and wanted Naruto+Konoha to stay alive and kill more members so Orochimaru more than likely would have faced off with Akatsuki himself, doubt he would have Madara since Oro's death caused Kabuto to go wonder around for Edo tensei required DNA and he wouldn't be in that mindset if it wasn't for Sasuke taking out Oro as he had.

Minato at first thought Obito was dying since he lost all of the Bijuus and death is usually the result of that but after they were talking the Yin Kurama told him that Obito would stay alive thanks to the Gedo Mezo but shortly after Obito resolved to revive everyone that died in the War until BZ took over Obito and revived Madara so that is no fault of Minato since at the time he thought Obito was still dying and Obito was about to revive Neji and the others.

Doesn't matter. He didn't have to attack killer B but he did. He is an international criminal regardless of his state of mind.

In saying that, good luck to anyone who wants to prosecute sasuke now. After seeing how powerful he is and his role in the 4th shinobi war, I believe that the people will overlook any transgressions.

Doesn't matter, Naruto shown to be more powerful and have faster reflexes and speed as Kaguya praised him of them. Plus what's stopping the Sage from taking back the power he gave Sasuke and Naruto? Plus there's also Kakashi and Sakura who would stand up to him plus many others such as the Edo Hokages and alliance as a whole. End result is Naruto is still stronger as Sasuke showed jealousy of Naruto's BM and BSM when he first saw both modes and this was Naruto not closer to full power since he had to borrow chakra from Yin Kurama as Yang Kurama was out/low on chakra himself and Naruto have been fighting for days so his body isn't at full strength as Tsunade always made people she healed rest for days until their body was fully healed as she did with Kakashi and Sasuke when they were Tsukuyomi, with Naruto after VoTE fight even with Kuraama's healing ability, with Kakashi when he overused Kamui, and with Naruto after he used FRS on Kakuza amongst others.

The people who want him gone cant handle Sasuke, the people that want him alive (Kakashi, Naruto) Can beat the crap out of him, dont forget that.

Kakashi never said he didn't want Sasuke there, in fact when he first returned from Kamui dimension he said he and Sasuke have a lot to talk about since last time they met Sasuke was talking about how badly he wants to kill Kakashi and Konoha and he just attacked the Kage Summit and killed a Konoha official while being seen as a member of Akatsuki. Naruto might want Sasuek alive but he wouldn't pick Sasuke over Konoha as last time they met Naruto said if Sasuke attacks then they will fight.

Listen to this guy's wonky logic. Create bonds, sit in girly tea parties, wipe a couple of soiled asses, you are redeemed. Never mind the innocents you have slaughtered.

My wonky logic, you're the one who have a wonky logic thinking everyone would just forgive a criminal just for helping fix something he helped started in the first place and resulted in many deaths. Do you know what creating bonds is, it bonds someone to another person which connects to another and so on. This will be a part of redeeming yourself by trying to earn their forgiveness and make amends by showing them that you are not the monster you once were and is trying to live your life to not only honor those that are dead but to protect those who were dear to the ones you killed. Gaara is doing that as the Kazekage, you think people forgot Gaara killed people? His Sensei voiced this issue to Konkouro when Gaara was fighting Deidara and Gaara choose to never let Shukaku influence him again and he did have a lot to do with what Gaara did as much as Gaara's dad and everyone in the village for how they treated him; he was a kid and would grow up messed up as anyone would in that situation.

I wonder what Sasuke is supposed to do? Sit in front of a camp fire singing show tones about how he loves everyone and is sorry for hurting them? You make me laugh with your double standards. Gaara redeemed himself by becoming Kazekage. Ssasuke is saving the world and has done more impact on this war than anyone bar Naruto and Itachi. "Sasuke would have to work hard to redeem himself? Do you even read the entire war when Sasuke actually joined and is helping the SA right now? He is redeeming himself right now through his actions. What? Would you like him to write an apology letter explaining his wrong deeds in the past. This is not a Shoujo or a romance material. Just another hypocrite defending Gaara but accusing Sasuke of still needing to redeem himself all because Gaara is a Naruto fanboy. Please.

Sasuke helped caused the war and you thing him helping would just make up for that? What about the many people who died and those who loved or cared for the ones who died? Gaara didn't just become Kazekage to redeem himself, the result of him redeeming himself allowed him to become the Kazekage. For one, Gaara turned into what he was due to how everyone in the village treated him, like he was unloved, unwanted, a monster, and his own father sent people to kill him. Sasuke grew up knowing love, a family, happiness, and people in the village called him an elite for being an Uchiha and he had people who wanted to be his friends. Gaara was also being influenced by Shukaku which Gaara thought was his mother as he would reply to his mother about giving her blood and such and he couldn't even sleep since Shukaku could take control of him when he sleeps.

How do you redeem yourself? What do people usually do? They connect to the family and friends of those they killed and do what they can to try and make amends by doing whatever they can, not because it would make them feel better but because it would help the ones they hurted. Sasuke did more? hell no he didn't, everyone in the ailliance did much more than Sasuke, they've been fighting white zetsus and Edo tensei's for days before Sasuke even joined them and had he not helped Akatsuki in the first place then the Juubi might not have been revived and the many deaths such as Nejis, Ao, Shikaku, Inoichi, and others wouldn't have happened.

Only an moral idiot would think anything Sasuke is doing is redeeming himself when he already said he didn't care what people think about what he did, he is only fighting because he can't do what he wants if the war is destroyed and he was part of starting it. No one is saying Gaara didn't do crappy things but his crimes were contained in Suna and it is up to them to give punishments while Sasuke's crimes involve all 5 nations and he has no fans in any of the Kages except Tsunade who only didn't issue Sasuke's death when he became a missing ninja because of Naruto and Sakura but Tsunade wouldn't go against the wishes of the 4 other Kages when the crimes out shines the good.
 

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That's not being real, that's being dumb, heartless, and arrogant. 1st off you have a medical ninja who can heal the wounds that you will receive in the fight against a god like Kaguya, she healed Naruto at least 2x in the war and he's been fighting for like 2-3 days so how is she useless in a fight? You have Kakashi who is a smart and experienced ninja who can offer strategies and who have honorably fighting in the war much longer than Sasuke have been. Oh and you're wrong, Tobirama would not like Sasuke for the very fact that he actually sacrificed his life to save his comrades where as Sasuke would leave his team to die if they couldn't help him at that very moment.

Even if Sakura and Kakashi can buy them seconds in exchange for their life in combat, it would do much more than just not even bothering in saving them. Wars are won by soldiers, both the smart and the strong, having others who can aid you in either field is much better than only having two. Do you expect Naruto to do most of the work then? It was Naruto's and Kakashi plans that delivered blows to Kaguya, not Sasuke's and it was Naruto kindness that allowed Sasuke to no be roaming the dessert dimension still. Sasuke's state of mind would have him still alone in that dimension and Naruto trying to hold his own against Kaguya until she kills him or until he start using his full avatar mode and maybe match her even better.



That's a dumb way to look at it, you can easily say Itachi is a criminal for not killing Sasuke since that would prevent Orochimaru from getting him and prevent Orochimaru from dying and Kabuto turning into Kabumaru and joining Obito which made all of the Edo's including Edo Madara. Akatsuki still wanted Orochimaru dead for leaving Akatsuki and he is also viewed as an international criminal for being in Akatsuki and resulting in the death of the 4th Kazekage and 3rd Hokage. Orochimaru was against Akatsuki as well and wanted Naruto+Konoha to stay alive and kill more members so Orochimaru more than likely would have faced off with Akatsuki himself, doubt he would have Madara since Oro's death caused Kabuto to go wonder around for Edo tensei required DNA and he wouldn't be in that mindset if it wasn't for Sasuke taking out Oro as he had.

Minato at first thought Obito was dying since he lost all of the Bijuus and death is usually the result of that but after they were talking the Yin Kurama told him that Obito would stay alive thanks to the Gedo Mezo but shortly after Obito resolved to revive everyone that died in the War until BZ took over Obito and revived Madara so that is no fault of Minato since at the time he thought Obito was still dying and Obito was about to revive Neji and the others.



Doesn't matter, Naruto shown to be more powerful and have faster reflexes and speed as Kaguya praised him of them. Plus what's stopping the Sage from taking back the power he gave Sasuke and Naruto? Plus there's also Kakashi and Sakura who would stand up to him plus many others such as the Edo Hokages and alliance as a whole. End result is Naruto is still stronger as Sasuke showed jealousy of Naruto's BM and BSM when he first saw both modes and this was Naruto not closer to full power since he had to borrow chakra from Yin Kurama as Yang Kurama was out/low on chakra himself and Naruto have been fighting for days so his body isn't at full strength as Tsunade always made people she healed rest for days until their body was fully healed as she did with Kakashi and Sasuke when they were Tsukuyomi, with Naruto after VoTE fight even with Kuraama's healing ability, with Kakashi when he overused Kamui, and with Naruto after he used FRS on Kakuza amongst others.



Kakashi never said he didn't want Sasuke there, in fact when he first returned from Kamui dimension he said he and Sasuke have a lot to talk about since last time they met Sasuke was talking about how badly he wants to kill Kakashi and Konoha and he just attacked the Kage Summit and killed a Konoha official while being seen as a member of Akatsuki. Naruto might want Sasuek alive but he wouldn't pick Sasuke over Konoha as last time they met Naruto said if Sasuke attacks then they will fight.



My wonky logic, you're the one who have a wonky logic thinking everyone would just forgive a criminal just for helping fix something he helped started in the first place and resulted in many deaths. Do you know what creating bonds is, it bonds someone to another person which connects to another and so on. This will be a part of redeeming yourself by trying to earn their forgiveness and make amends by showing them that you are not the monster you once were and is trying to live your life to not only honor those that are dead but to protect those who were dear to the ones you killed. Gaara is doing that as the Kazekage, you think people forgot Gaara killed people? His Sensei voiced this issue to Konkouro when Gaara was fighting Deidara and Gaara choose to never let Shukaku influence him again and he did have a lot to do with what Gaara did as much as Gaara's dad and everyone in the village for how they treated him; he was a kid and would grow up messed up as anyone would in that situation.



Sasuke helped caused the war and you thing him helping would just make up for that? What about the many people who died and those who loved or cared for the ones who died? Gaara didn't just become Kazekage to redeem himself, the result of him redeeming himself allowed him to become the Kazekage. For one, Gaara turned into what he was due to how everyone in the village treated him, like he was unloved, unwanted, a monster, and his own father sent people to kill him. Sasuke grew up knowing love, a family, happiness, and people in the village called him an elite for being an Uchiha and he had people who wanted to be his friends. Gaara was also being influenced by Shukaku which Gaara thought was his mother as he would reply to his mother about giving her blood and such and he couldn't even sleep since Shukaku could take control of him when he sleeps.

How do you redeem yourself? What do people usually do? They connect to the family and friends of those they killed and do what they can to try and make amends by doing whatever they can, not because it would make them feel better but because it would help the ones they hurted. Sasuke did more? hell no he didn't, everyone in the ailliance did much more than Sasuke, they've been fighting white zetsus and Edo tensei's for days before Sasuke even joined them and had he not helped Akatsuki in the first place then the Juubi might not have been revived and the many deaths such as Nejis, Ao, Shikaku, Inoichi, and others wouldn't have happened.

Only an moral idiot would think anything Sasuke is doing is redeeming himself when he already said he didn't care what people think about what he did, he is only fighting because he can't do what he wants if the war is destroyed and he was part of starting it. No one is saying Gaara didn't do crappy things but his crimes were contained in Suna and it is up to them to give punishments while Sasuke's crimes involve all 5 nations and he has no fans in any of the Kages except Tsunade who only didn't issue Sasuke's death when he became a missing ninja because of Naruto and Sakura but Tsunade wouldn't go against the wishes of the 4 other Kages when the crimes out shines the good.

This effectively shits on argument presented pro-Sasuke in this thread, few as they are.

Sasuke knows the ties of a family and the love it produces. He knows he's taken that from the kin of the samurai and Kumo ninja he's killed, as well as bringing back the Juubi, known to signal the end of the world. And he still says he doesn't give a shit. Is this the mindset of a reformed criminal or somebody fit to walk the streets of society?

Anyone who is supportive of this psyche or believes it is justified as it is presently is in dire need of a psychiatrist, jail cell, or both.
 

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My wonky logic, you're the one who have a wonky logic thinking everyone would just forgive a criminal just for helping fix something he helped started in the first place and resulted in many deaths. Do you know what creating bonds is, it bonds someone to another person which connects to another and so on. This will be a part of redeeming yourself by trying to earn their forgiveness and make amends by showing them that you are not the monster you once were and is trying to live your life to not only honor those that are dead but to protect those who were dear to the ones you killed. Gaara is doing that as the Kazekage, you think people forgot Gaara killed people? His Sensei voiced this issue to Konkouro when Gaara was fighting Deidara and Gaara choose to never let Shukaku influence him again and he did have a lot to do with what Gaara did as much as Gaara's dad and everyone in the village for how they treated him; he was a kid and would grow up messed up as anyone would in that situation.

Do you have an intellectual capacity of a 10 year old, as this is profoundly stupid. Creating bonds, my ass. It's like I am looking through the dialogues and monologues spewed like a first rate dumpster garbage by Naruto himself. There is no such thing as redemption after killing anyone. Get it through your tiny head.

This effectively shits on argument presented pro-Sasuke in this thread, few as they are.

Sasuke knows the ties of a family and the love it produces. He knows he's taken that from the kin of the samurai and Kumo ninja he's killed, as well as bringing back the Juubi, known to signal the end of the world. And he still says he doesn't give a shit. Is this the mindset of a reformed criminal or somebody fit to walk the streets of society?

Anyone who is supportive of this psyche or believes it is justified as it is presently is in dire need of a psychiatrist, jail cell, or both.

Man, years of cheap pedigree much have resulted in you, as that is the epitome of stupid. Do you feel blessed? I hope not as this is something to cry over daily.
 
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