is ROck Lee stonger than neji?
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Deidara...
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not necessarily the byakugan has time slowing effects when the target is in the divination field.
I.E. the neji kidomaru fight.
byakugan users have a stationary speed while the gates users have a mobile speed.
and gates is only used as a last resort, and if neji hits lee and seals off his chakra or attacks the gates, its over. and no rock lee will not immediately use the gates so please stay away from that idea.
i think neji regardless just based on character development
I.E. the neji kidomaru fight.
byakugan users have a stationary speed while the gates users have a mobile speed.
and gates is only used as a last resort, and if neji hits lee and seals off his chakra or attacks the gates, its over. and no rock lee will not immediately use the gates so please stay away from that idea.
i think neji regardless just based on character development
How can neji hit the gates? I thought he could only hit the chakra points?
However i think lees fighting style is the best to fight neji as he doesnt use ninjutsu, also i think it would be a long fight and lee would resort to using the gates in the end, and by opening them he restores his chakra points like when naruto used the kyuubis chakra vs negi in the chuunin exam
Deidara...
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you cant get hit too many time because the jyuuken also attacks muscles and organs, thats why you cant move after you have your chakra sealed off. (your muscles and internal organs have also suffered damage.)
the gates are activated by dumping out all your chakra, so if you cant use chakra u cant use the gates.
the only taijutsu that can trump gentle fist may be kaguya since the bones might not be porous to chakra, but im not saying thats a fact
The techniques that seal off chakra points are different then the ones that destroy organs.
Gentle Fist = Chakra Sealing
Strong Fist = Internal Organ Damage
Sealing Chakra is useless against lee as he doesn't use chakra at all, and i think lee is too quick for neji to actually hit, specially if lee is in gates/no weights.
Idk its a tough call, we haven't seen all of the hyuuga's hiden techniques so it's tough to say.
I'd say Lee just because.
Gentle Fist = Chakra Sealing
Strong Fist = Internal Organ Damage
Sealing Chakra is useless against lee as he doesn't use chakra at all, and i think lee is too quick for neji to actually hit, specially if lee is in gates/no weights.
Idk its a tough call, we haven't seen all of the hyuuga's hiden techniques so it's tough to say.
I'd say Lee just because.
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well, we don't know neji's techs as he became a jounin & lee wasted a lot of time in his injuries so most probably neji is stronger
I think it would b Lee for now.Neiji hasn't shown much techs while Lee has the 8gates release.Plus as this is a taijutsu fight,speed is a big factor n it is obvious Lee is much faster.But again if u see juuken as wushuu fighting style,softness is the key.May be Nj can come up with a counter tech rather than an offensive style.
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this fite wood probably end in a draw. Rock lee has incredible speed in is very skilled in taijutsu. Neji is also very skilled but won't rely on taijutsu as much as rock lee.Neji has byakugan n lee has the eight gates.Neji wood think ever move through thorougly, will rock lee wood just attack until he finds a weakness. And do to the fact that they are on the same team they no how each other fight and will us that to counter each others moves.
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Well heres the thing, in terms of physical strength, Lee has the flat out upper hand.
If you took away Nejis chakra control and made them have a taijutsu fight, Lee would win, he has speed, top notch taijutsu and insane strength, and thats all before opening the gates.
In a fight however, not limited to one small section of their skills, theres much more to be said.
Its interesting how everyone just up and says oh Lee has the gates, he would win! Gates take time and consentration to open, Lee doesnt just blink them on, he stands there vonerable for several moments as he opens them. that makes a MAJOR open point. the reason why Gaara never finished him then is because he was stunned from the secondary lotus and was unsure of what Lee was doing.
Neji is much smarter than that, seeing his chakra building insanely he would rush up while he was vonerable and seal his points thusly causing a buildup in Lee that would severly damage him and end the fight.
Lee would need alot of timeing and luck to pull the gates agenst Neji, remember they were sparring partners for years, Lee never beat Neji then. The gates being his trump card was removed during the chunin exams sence he revealed it infront of everyone.
If Neji somehow didnt know about Lees gate abilities THEN the gates would probubly deside the match.
In a plot upheld fight between the two of them, Neji would most likely win unless Lee figured the best timeing to use the gates.
Neji still has his spinning defence if Lee were to get that far with his gates either way. Gates can only be used for a short time, Neji would be aware of that fact and just defend untill Lee gave out.
And all of this is after completely disreguarding Lees injuries have not 100% healed, yes hes back in action but hes not off just yet.
If you took away Nejis chakra control and made them have a taijutsu fight, Lee would win, he has speed, top notch taijutsu and insane strength, and thats all before opening the gates.
In a fight however, not limited to one small section of their skills, theres much more to be said.
Its interesting how everyone just up and says oh Lee has the gates, he would win! Gates take time and consentration to open, Lee doesnt just blink them on, he stands there vonerable for several moments as he opens them. that makes a MAJOR open point. the reason why Gaara never finished him then is because he was stunned from the secondary lotus and was unsure of what Lee was doing.
Neji is much smarter than that, seeing his chakra building insanely he would rush up while he was vonerable and seal his points thusly causing a buildup in Lee that would severly damage him and end the fight.
Lee would need alot of timeing and luck to pull the gates agenst Neji, remember they were sparring partners for years, Lee never beat Neji then. The gates being his trump card was removed during the chunin exams sence he revealed it infront of everyone.
If Neji somehow didnt know about Lees gate abilities THEN the gates would probubly deside the match.
In a plot upheld fight between the two of them, Neji would most likely win unless Lee figured the best timeing to use the gates.
Neji still has his spinning defence if Lee were to get that far with his gates either way. Gates can only be used for a short time, Neji would be aware of that fact and just defend untill Lee gave out.
And all of this is after completely disreguarding Lees injuries have not 100% healed, yes hes back in action but hes not off just yet.
Dragonlee has a point in that Lee must take time to open the gates. Except the Gate of Opening. That alone makes his speed faster, and Lee can do that while running. He did that in his fight against Gaara in the Chunin Exams and Kimimaro while Naruto chased after Sasuke. Neji does have the 8 Trigrams Rotation but I don't think he'd be able to use it even if everything slowed down in his Trigrams because of Lee's immense speed. And while Neji can strike chakra points he would have to get very lucky to actually hit a successful blow on Lee. In the end I think Lee would win the fight.
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Indeed Lee is extremely fast and strong, but also correct me if im wrong but Neji does have a higher level past 8 trigrams right? when he was fighting the spider member of the sound 4 and was rained on by spiders i coulda sworn he upped it to 16 and went even faster, allmost stopping his preception of time, making him what i would argue on the same speed level as Lee with an opened gate.
If they are both precessing on the exact same speed, it could possibly go either way, sence Neji has is chakra sealing and Lee has his superb taijutsu.
At the same speed it wouldnt take luck for Neji to seal or even mess up Lees chakra points, he only needs one point per arm to stop all use of that limb, trust me i know alot about pressure points.
Of coarse all of this does hinge on whos faster, if Lee is still even somewhat faster it would be in his favor, but Neji still has all of his movements in his vision. not limited by direction like the then underdeveloped sharingon of sasuke, the byakugon can keep up with Lees motions up to a point depending on how much faster Lee currently is. Sasuke couldnt keep up with Lees movements because not only it was not fully developed but also he has to actually move his eyes to look somewhere else, unlike byakugon that can look strait and see all around (minus the small blind spot)
I mention all this because when factoring the byakugon into the possible difference in speed, Neji can still see Lee even if he cant react fast enough. Lee moves in a form like motion as seen in his fight with Gaara, even if most didnt see it, but his moves are all rhythmic and to a point predictable when moving on instinct, which is the case when moving at such high speed, the faster you are the less you can controle, to a point that if seen, the moves can be predicted by Neji.
Also if i remember correctly, while i dont disagree that the first gate can possibly be opened while in motion, if memory serves (and its been a good while) Lee opened the first gate by using a lotus technique, secondary lotus if i remember. Not while running, after that the other gates were opened while stationary and forcing them open.
But thats just splitting hairs and has no real impact on the debate.
As much as i love Lee as a fellow martial artist and idealist, i just dont think Lee would win this fight givin his current level, and untill i see some huge breakthrough in his technique that makes his gates faster or a new better way to fight Neji i cant really think he would win.
Also all of the gate stuff is based on the fact that he would use it right away or that be his main plan.
Lee had sworn to never use his gates unless he was going to save some one or if his life depended on it, a sparring match hardly fits into the situation.
AND Lee had intended them to be his trump card, not his main stratagy. He said so himself that he never intended to use it unless he absolutely had to.
Im not sure what context it would truely take to get Lee to go so full all out on Neji that he would nearly kill himself using the gates, which is allmost allways the outcome of useing them, just to win.
Hopefully in the future we will see more of Lee and Neji to the effect of a new technique that would decide this matter more clearly.
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