Is Rinnegan Stronger Than Sharingan

[yoshimitsu]

nono you all misunderstand. He "wants" sharingan to be more powerful.

 

[Skull Knight]

rinnegan
but kamui in both eyes will almost make anyone undefeatable.

 

[Stark]

Depends on who is using the eyes.

 

[sulanis]

Read manga, its Rinnegan of course,lol....

I would say the rinnegan is more powerful, but far lamer, considering 98% of it's techniques have nothing to do with Visual jutsu's

 

[The Gifted One]

Rinnegan is far stronger than sharingan. Its just like comparing the sharingan with byakugan

 

[ImNoOne]

EMS Madara's highest power is his Perfect Susanoo armored onto the Kyuubi. Not Kyuubi by itself and they didn't have to fight in the manga for us to be able to tell who is stronger.


Perfect Susanoo beats anything Nagato has in his arsenal. If you look at Nagato and Madara's feats you can easily tell who is superior.

Madara's Susanoo destroyed a Mountain Range with a swing.

Nagato's CT dwarfs Mountain Ranges, but he can't spam it and it takes a lot of chakra. Not to mention Madara can destroy it like B, Naruto and Itachi did before it reached full size.

Note that the Susano'O that is surrounding the Kyuubi might infact be the Perfect Susano'O, although I do not think it is because of the lack of some similarities. Yet the Susano'O who can actually cut mountains with a sword swing is the STABILIZED perfect Susano'O, which was not by anymeans what was sheltering the Kyuubi.

Even if this was not correct your statement on Nagato's inability to destroy Susano'O + Kyuubi falls to the ground with a single technique, Gedo Mazo - Dragon of Souls, the technique Nagato used after Yahiko's death. It would pears through Susano'O and the Kyuubi sealing both. If targeted correctly it would seal Madara's soul as well. All in one shot and it doesn't take prep time. On the other hand EMS Madara really doesn't have anything in his arsenal that Nagato can't absorb.

So by analyzing both of their powers we can actually conclude that the clash could and would most likely swing towards Nagato's win. Yet I'm not saying it would because...

We've never seen said fight and we have no way of knowing! All and all Rinnegan still stomps Sharingan.

 

[ImNoOne]

Note that the Susano'O that is surrounding the Kyuubi might infact be the Perfect Susano'O, although I do not think it is because of the lack of some similarities. Yet the Susano'O who can actually cut mountains with a sword swing is the STABILIZED perfect Susano'O, which was not by anymeans what was sheltering the Kyuubi.

Even if this was not correct your statement on Nagato's inability to destroy Susano'O + Kyuubi falls to the ground with a single technique, Gedo Mazo - Dragon of Souls, the technique Nagato used after Yahiko's death. It would pears through Susano'O and the Kyuubi sealing both. If targeted correctly it would seal Madara's soul as well. All in one shot and it doesn't take prep time. On the other hand EMS Madara really doesn't have anything in his arsenal that Nagato can't absorb.

So by analyzing both of their powers we can actually conclude that the clash could and would most likely swing towards Nagato's win. Yet I'm not saying it would because...

We've never seen said fight and we have no way of knowing! All and all Rinnegan still stomps Sharingan.

And talking about feats... trump defeating the Juubi with any of Sharingan's feats.

 

[Draphsin]

Rinnegan has powerful jutsus.

Sharingan has better jutsus.

 

[iNotorious]

Rinnegan, everyday

 

[ImNoOne]

Rinnegan has powerful jutsus.

Sharingan has better jutsus.

I don't see where...

 

[KidGamer65]

Note that the Susano'O that is surrounding the Kyuubi might infact be the Perfect Susano'O, although I do not think it is because of the lack of some similarities. Yet the Susano'O who can actually cut mountains with a sword swing is the STABILIZED perfect Susano'O, which was not by anymeans what was sheltering the Kyuubi.

The PS that was armored onto Kyuubi has the same power as Madara's stabilized PS, it is his stabilized PS in fact, and yes it can cut Mountains.

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Lack of some similarities?
-Same Mountain cutting power.
-Same long nose.
-Same arms. (Look at the arms holding the blades)

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-Same diamond on the forehead of the Susanoo
-Even has the same samurai shoulder plates.

There is virtually no difference besides the fact that it was shaped to fit the Kyuubi.

Even if this was not correct your statement on Nagato's inability to destroy Susano'O + Kyuubi falls to the ground with a single technique, Gedo Mazo - Dragon of Souls, the technique Nagato used after Yahiko's death. It would pears through Susano'O and the Kyuubi sealing both. If targeted correctly it would seal Madara's soul as well. All in one shot and it doesn't take prep time. On the other hand EMS Madara really doesn't have anything in his arsenal that Nagato can't absorb.

First of all. Gedo Mazo's Soul Dragon technique steals souls, it doesn't seal things away, nor would it seal Perfect Susanoo or Kyuubi away.

Second of all. Its a physical technique but becomes intangible when stealing a soul, evidenced by the rocks flying upwards from the ground when the dragon made contact.

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Susanoo would easily block it.

Nagato may be able to absorb Susanoo, but its useless as he has to get close to do it, something that won't happen. Ever. Perfect Susanoo is capable of devastating Mountain Ranges and cutting distant Mountains without ever making contact with either thing.

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Shockwaves are not made of chakra so he can't absorb it.

Madara doesn't need to get anywhere near Nagato to kill him with a sword slash.

So by analyzing both of their powers we can actually conclude that the clash could and would most likely swing towards Nagato's win. Yet I'm not saying it would because...

We've never seen said fight and we have no way of knowing! All and all Rinnegan still stomps Sharingan.

Rinnegan > Sharingan overall, but EMS Madara>Nagato, and its not even close.

And talking about feats... trump defeating the Juubi with any of Sharingan's feats.

Rinnegan has no feat of defeating the Juubi. Rikudo Sennin confronted it and sealed it away. I don't know where people got "he defeated it from" cause that was never stated in the manga.

 

[Draphsin]

I don't see where...

Kamui & KA obliterate anything in the rinnegans arsenal, but they're not "powerful" jutsus.

Rinnegan on the other hand grants the user deva path which by feats is the strongest dojutsu ever shown. & yes the ability to control gravity > PS (which is the sharingan's only "powerful" dojutsu).

 

[ImNoOne]

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All of these are present in stabilized perfect Susano'O apart from one thing. There is no chakra flying around in the STABILIZED perfect Susano'O, it's totaly stabilized and the chakra has attained a restrict form. The Katana's are well shaped and even have the hand guard well established, not at all as the Susano'O covering the Kyuubi.

The Susano'O covering the Kyuubi has everything the SPS has except the Stabilized part. That being said, stabilized is what makes SPS apart from PS. So no it's now a SPS armor.

Furthermore the Dragon of Souls as Susano'O it self is a chakra based technique, yes. Yet unlike Susano'O it does not transcend into the physical world. If you notice the shinobi stroke by it were never aware of it until it touched them. It can remain intangible and invisible. So no Susano'O can't block it, no more that it can block Obito's Kamui intangibility.

Now concerning souls and chakra, in Narutoverse the distinction between the two is not drawn. When Nagato resurrected the Villagers after the Konoha Invasion he sent out the same thing to all of the villagers. Some people claimed it was the souls he had taken from them, yet not everybody was killed by soul extraction. Mostly perished in fact by physical death or chakra depletion.

The Jinshuriki souls were sucked inside the Gedo Mazo together with the Bijuu's. The Bijuu's themselves although chakra manifestation have their soul, although there is nothing more to them than chakra.

In fact in the oriental tradition the chakra is the soul. The inner strength.

All this to say that the soul dragon would rip both kyuubi and Susano'O and Madara as well unless Madara uses the same technique of summoning himself to somewhere else like Hanzo did.

 

[Tera Path]

As Zetsu said, the rinnegan and sharigan are mere weapons.
It depends on the user.

 

[KidGamer65]

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All of these are present in stabilized perfect Susano'O apart from one thing. There is no chakra flying around in the STABILIZED perfect Susano'O, it's totaly stabilized and the chakra has attained a restrict form. The Katana's are well shaped and even have the hand guard well established, not at all as the Susano'O covering the Kyuubi.

The Susano'O covering the Kyuubi has everything the SPS has except the Stabilized part. That being said, stabilized is what makes SPS apart from PS. So no it's now a SPS armor.

Well, they still have the same power so its fine with me, the only difference is the appearance difference that you mentioned. Besides that its clear that they are the same level and tier of Susanoo.

Furthermore the Dragon of Souls as Susano'O it self is a chakra based technique, yes. Yet unlike Susano'O it does not transcend into the physical world. If you notice the shinobi stroke by it were never aware of it until it touched them. It can remain intangible and invisible. So no Susano'O can't block it, no more that it can block Obito's Kamui intangibility.

False. If it didn't transcend into the physical world and was intangible like Obito can be via Kamui. It never would have made contact with the ground and it wouldn't have caused damage to that ground, and it wouldn't have caused rocks to fly upwards once it hit the ground in the scan I just posted that you pretty much ignored. It passes through Humans to take their souls but it doesn't pass through anything else. So it can be blocked by Susanoo.

And you're wrong about them not being aware of it until they were touched by it. The Ninja were clearly looking at it and they even said "What?!" before it hit them.

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Now concerning souls and chakra, in Narutoverse the distinction between the two is not drawn. When Nagato resurrected the Villagers after the Konoha Invasion he sent out the same thing to all of the villagers. Some people claimed it was the souls he had taken from them, yet not everybody was killed by soul extraction. Mostly perished in fact by physical death or chakra depletion.

Wrong. There is a clear distinction between chakra and the soul in this manga. When Nagato resurrected the villages he infused them with new life force allowing their souls to return to their bodies.

You don't have to be killed by Soul Extraction in order for your soul to be separated from your body, you just have to be killed. Kakashi was in limbo talking to his father when he was revived.

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The fact that there are techniques dedicated to taking souls (Human Path and Soul Dragon and Shiki Fuujin) and techniques dedicated to bringing back souls from the dead (Edo Tensei) shows that Souls and Chakra are far different and are not the same thing. At all.

The Jinshuriki souls were sucked inside the Gedo Mazo together with the Bijuu's. The Bijuu's themselves although chakra manifestation have their soul, although there is nothing more to them than chakra.

In fact in the oriental tradition the chakra is the soul. The inner strength.

Also wrong. The Jinchuuriki's Bijuu were ripped out of their bodies via the Sealing jutsu, thus they died. Nowhere was it stated that the Jins souls were sucked in as well. If that were true:

-Gaara wouldn't have been able to be revived via Chiyo's Reincarnation Technique as his soul would be in the Mazo.

-The Edo Jinchuuriki wouldn't be able to be revived via Edo Tensei as Edo Tensei takes the soul from the "pure world" and reincarnates it into a new vessel. Souls sealed in other locations (The Hokage inside the Shinigami) won't be able to be called back. That's why Oro's summoning of Minato failed in Part 1. The souls of Edo Tensei zombies also won't disappear from the world when the jutsu is released if the soul is sealed somwhere. That's why Gin and Kin weren't freed when Edo Tensei was released, they were sealed in the the Sage's special tools.

All this to say that the soul dragon would rip both kyuubi and Susano'O and Madara as well unless Madara uses the same technique of summoning himself to somewhere else like Hanzo did.

Its not necessary. The dragon will only become intangible when stealing someone's soul. Not for any other reason. So it won't pass through Susanoo, not when it couldn't pass through rock, and even destroyed said rock. Nor would it harm Susanoo or the Kyuubi as they are chakra, not souls. Chakra=/=Souls. Manga has made that very very very clear.

 

[miromiro]

One thing I noticed is that the Rinnegan is better used by the non-Uchiha ninja. Sure, Madara could do everything with it what Nagato has, but if he was to have a smaller amount of Chakra, like Nagato, he couldn't pull out so many things with his Rinnegan. Besides, even like this, it's too strange to not have seen neither Madara or Obito pull any crazy things with their Rinnegan. The last time I remember seeing it in action was way back in the 560th chapter, when Madara summoned those meteors.

Something's not right. Give Rinnegan to a Senju (Rikudou was Senju) or Uzumaki (like Nagato, Rikudou was also said to be Uzumaki, it's still a theory only) and they'll make use of it in incredible ways.