Is religion always a choice?

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It is not a choice, it is something that is forced on you by your parents and society. You can choose however to abandon your religion and live a better life.
 

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Religion is nice but only certain religions. We have religions which support terrorism so I wouldnt recommend following certain crazy ass religions. Christianity is the greatest religion to be part of. And yes it's a choice. You've to swear feilty to someone. Joining a religion is a formality/documented process. God exists. But certain groups of people have weird ways of looking at will of god.
I like how you say "Christianity is the greatest religion" while smearing other religions as being crazy and violent, even though Christians have taken more lives than any other religion in history.
 

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I like how you say "Christianity is the greatest religion" while smearing other religions as being crazy and violent, even though Christians have taken more lives than any other religion in history.
Christianity being the "greatest" religion is up for debate. You making a claim that Christians have taken more lives than any other religion in history show's how ignorant you are thanks to your personal hatred towards Christianity.

Whenever you talk shit about Christianity it makes me wonder if you ever got raped by a priest when you were a child.
 

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Christianity being the "greatest" religion is up for debate. You making a claim that Christians have taken more lives than any other religion in history show's how ignorant you are thanks to your personal hatred towards Christianity.

Whenever you talk shit about Christianity it makes me wonder if you ever got raped by a priest when you were a child.
Dude, you're a loser that rejects any fact that contradicts your opinion. I'm not even gonna waste my time justifying myself to you.
 

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Religions like Jainism, and Buddhism are superior to Christianity, so it's definitely not the best. Modern Christianity was just as brutish as the other Abrahamic religions were, but they've managed to keep up with the way society is progressing by constantly filtering and reforming their beliefs to conform with societies beliefs. It's at a point where the pope will claim things like homosexuality is no longer a sin to be progressive, even though homosexuality is a blatant sin in all Abrahamic religions.

Christianity's definitely not the worst religion, and I think there are more factors that go into deciding which religion can be considered better than another then just body-count. Ex. America is one of the greatest countries in the world despite it's historically high and ever increasing body-count.
 
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Ex. America is one of the greatest countries in the world despite it's historically high and ever increasing body-count.
That's a subjective statement and and the temporary facade of it's greatness is purely because of Kissinger. The petrol dollar dominated world order which allowed America to thrive is unravelling as we speak and the US will follow suit. It is headed towards the final throes of empire hence the world is becoming chaotic.
 

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That's a subjective statement and and the temporary facade of it's greatness is purely because of Kissinger. The petrol dollar dominated world order which allowed America to thrive is unravelling as we speak and the US will follow suit. It is headed towards the final throes of empire hence the world is becoming chaotic.
It's subjective in so far as the value of GDP, military strength, education, healthcare, imports and exports are subjective. If we were to scale the amalgamation of all these combined factors compared to every other country's, which is objectively measurable, we'd find America near the top of the list/top tier, sharing ranks among other country's in the world with similarly high factors.

You can try to theorycraft about the collapse of America all you want. There's substantial evidence to argue that, yes, America is on the verge of collapse and will fall from it's position of influence. There's also substantial evidence to argue the contrary, and that America will remain a global hegemon for an insurmountable period of time. On top of that, the world (humanity) is constantly moving in a upwards net positive trend in terms of global stability, technology, GDP, reduction of extreme poverty, freedom, education, etc, etc., so generally when people make claims like "the world is becoming chaotic", I see it as a failure to look at the world on a macroscale.

Most people on NB have a notable bias against the U.S., so I'll be taking everything with a kegs worth of salt. What my biggest question to you would be, what happens when fossil fuels no longer rules the world before the U.S. supposedly collapses, and renewable energy becomes our dominant source? Does your timeline of the U.S.'s fall from power fall in line with the predictions of when fossil fuel's no longer considered a feasible source of energy (price wise)?
 

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It's subjective in so far as the value of GDP, military strength, education, healthcare, imports and exports are subjective. If we were to scale the amalgamation of all these combined factors compared to every other country's, which is objectively measurable, we'd find America near the top of the list/top tier, sharing ranks among other country's in the world with similarly high factors.
Yeah right :lmao: all contingent on the petro dollar system and reserve currency status which allows it to borrow without consequence. However ultimately it all goes back to how long will other nations give America a free ride(borrowing) and at such low rates especially with money printing.

You can try to theorycraft about the collapse of America all you want. There's substantial evidence to argue that, yes, America is on the verge of collapse and will fall from it's position of influence. There's also substantial evidence to argue the contrary, and that America will remain a global hegemon for an insurmountable period of time. On top of that, the world (humanity) is constantly moving in a upwards net positive trend in terms of global stability, technology, GDP, reduction of extreme poverty, freedom, education, etc, etc., so generally when people make claims like "the world is becoming chaotic", I see it as a failure to look at the world on a macroscale.
All empires follow the same course tge US is no different, every empire thought like the US did that it'll last forever. America doesn't bring or help in world peace or stability it constantly fuels tension for it's own interests and fans conflict in other nations.

Most people on NB have a notable bias against the U.S., so I'll be taking everything with a kegs worth of salt. What my biggest question to you would be, what happens when fossil fuels no longer rules the world before the U.S. supposedly collapses, and renewable energy becomes our dominant source? Does your timeline of the U.S.'s fall from power fall in line with the predictions of when fossil fuel's no longer considered a feasible source of energy (price wise)?
Most people in NB are looking from the outside so don't live off of propaganda or the greatest nation on earth crap. Renewables wont be replacing anything anytime soon and it wont matter either way.

This makes me laugh enjoy
[video=youtube_share;ZPHSXUS0_1c]https://youtu.be/ZPHSXUS0_1c[/video]

Believe what you will I don't really care mate, I just had to highlight that point.

Bye.
 
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Yeah right :lmao: all contingent on the petro dollar system and reserve currency status which allows it to borrow without consequence. However ultimately it all goes back to how long will other nations give America a free ride(borrowing) and at such low rates especially with money printing.



All empires follow the same course tge US is no different, every empire thought like the US did that it'll last forever. America doesn't bring or help in world peace or stability it constantly fuels tension for it's own interests and fans conflict in other nations.



Most people in NB are looking from the outside so don't live off of propaganda or the greatest nation on earth crap. Renewables wont be replacing anything anytime soon and it wont matter either way.

This makes me laugh enjoy
[video=youtube_share;ZPHSXUS0_1c]https://youtu.be/ZPHSXUS0_1c[/video]

Believe what you will I don't really care mate, I just had to highlight that point.

Bye.
"Reaffirms your bias. Dodges my questions". That's fine. I wasn't expecting much from this anyway.

This is the caliber of intellectual you'd find on NB. You have a good day, where ever you are in the world, friend.
 

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Religions like Jainism, and Buddhism are superior to Christianity, so it's definitely not the best. Modern Christianity was just as brutish as the other Abrahamic religions were, but they've managed to keep up with the way society is progressing by constantly filtering and reforming their beliefs to conform with societies beliefs. It's at a point where the pope will claim things like homosexuality is no longer a sin to be progressive, even though homosexuality is a blatant sin in all Abrahamic religions.

Christianity's definitely not the worst religion, and I think there are more factors that go into deciding which religion can be considered better than another then just body-count. Ex. America is one of the greatest countries in the world despite it's historically high and ever increasing body-count.
I agree with all of your points except with America being the "greatest" nation.

Aside for GDP, Military Strength, and cultural diversity (which is probably the only genuine factor you can argue it being the greatest), there's not much else.

Even though we have the highest GDP, that means very little when the U.S. also has the highest wealth inequality in the world. We have an archaic healthcare system when the rest of the modernized world is able to provide healthcare to all its citizens. The U.S. on the other hand has over 40k people die every year from lack of healthcare.

Our education is sub-par compared to other nations and going to college risks leaving people in crippling debt with little pay-off. Meanwhile other countries are willing to invest into the next generation and even pay students to go to college. Denmark is an example of that. The U.S. is a country that has the highest climate change deniers in the world, with almost half of the population believing it's not real or not serious. Science as a whole is undervalued by a lot of the population with people going as far as still dismissing evolution or that being gay is not a choice.

The U.S. is also the most wasteful and most obese country in the world. Our police are militarized, our leadership are oligarchs, mainstream media is nothing but infotainment and propaganda outlets for establishment politicians, and the U.S. are warmongers that have de-stabilized South America, Africa, and the Middle-East by funding military coups and arming extremist groups which turn into terrorists. The U.S. is also the only country to ever use an atom bomb on another country. Our drone strikes have a 90% civilian death rate. The U.S. still to this day continues to torture war-prisoners (Guantanamo Bay) with inhumane methods including **** rape while lecturing other nations about human rights.

More than half of the U.S. make under 30k a year. Most teachers can't afford a living wage and have to live on foodstamps. Over 35% of the U.S. is on welfare. Wages have been stagnant since 1970s and hasn't kept up with inflation, meanwhile CEO salaries have tripled since then. There's also the fact that the U.S. was founded on slavery and it was only 50 years ago did African Americans finally get the right to vote and not be discriminated against. It was only 3 years ago we finally allowed Gay people to be married.

I mean there's so much more to list. There is no objective way you can justify it as "the greatest."
 
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Belief in God is a natural and ingrained human trait within one's self. Hence why every nation from the east to the west has had some form of religion, be it worshiping God himself, idols of men, objects like the sun, or one's ancestors.
 
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Only one opinion matters and that's your own but to answer your question yes it is an individual choice some are born into religion and others may convert out of interest or feeling lost depends on the person's circumstance.
 

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Religions like Jainism, and Buddhism are superior to Christianity, so it's definitely not the best. Modern Christianity was just as brutish as the other Abrahamic religions were, but they've managed to keep up with the way society is progressing by constantly filtering and reforming their beliefs to conform with societies beliefs. It's at a point where the pope will claim things like homosexuality is no longer a sin to be progressive, even though homosexuality is a blatant sin in all Abrahamic religions.

Christianity's definitely not the worst religion, and I think there are more factors that go into deciding which religion can be considered better than another then just body-count. Ex. America is one of the greatest countries in the world despite it's historically high and ever increasing body-count.
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