Is religion always a choice?

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Cus it seems like people judge people as religious or athesits regardless of their personal faith.


For example, I can spit on churches and burn bibles but call myself a Nazi and people will tell me that make me religious cus nazism is some kind of faith.


Does that also mean if I consider myself religious but act like an atheist or I don't follow every commandement that people will judge me as an atheist?
 

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Beliefs are based on choices an individual makes.

Generally people will call you whatever you identify yourself as unless they're informed. Most people will take your statement at face value that's what they've been conditioned to do so.
 
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Beliefs are based on choices an individual makes.

Generally people will call you whatever you identify yourself as unless they're informed. Most people will take your statement at face value that's what they've been conditioned to do so.
Beliefs arent as simple as things being just a choice. A lot of the time it can be due to personal bias and external influence. Choice comes into the matter when somebody processes both sides of the picture.
 

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Religion is related to opinion, they are both based on choice. Unless someone can present a physical mechanism which forces one to be part of a particular religion then it is a choice.
 

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Religion is a sort of limited choice. Spirituality is almost completely individual - each person develops their own idea/relationship with existential purpose and what it is the experience of life amounts to.
Religion is an institution of a culture's spirituality. There are a limited number of these to identify with, and many of them we are affiliated with long before we begin to develop our individual spiritual understandings. Most people stay within their cultural spiritual identity - their religion. Their individual beliefs will vary, but you don't see a whole lot of Baptists in the middle of America becoming Buddhists. Most of them will simply become 'non-practicing' or 'Christmas Christians' who show up on Christmas and Easter, then never really look back. They MAY get a wild hair up their ass and change denominations to Methodist, or something, because one church has better music in their service or their wife is more of the church goer than they are, and so she gets the pick of what church everyone is going to. There are the exotic religions to be found in the city, and it gets announced that so-and-so a church is hosting some cross-faith service or something, so the whole town piles in to figure out what is going on with the space alien.

It's much the same way in the rest of the world. Only in areas where you have major converging religions do you really see much thought put into religion. Even then, religion mostly takes on a political aspect. Families become more careful to ensure a competing religion isn't given dominance over their descendants, people pay more attention to what faith the governor is, etc. Conversions are largely political and for optics, at least in the public sphere.

So, in this sense, religion is a bit of a choice, but most people have little reason to engage with that choice. Even then, sweeping personal understandings can occur with regard to spirituality, and a person still not change their religion. One of my friends is not necessarily an atheist, per se - but he sees the benefits of religion, prayer, etc as effectively a sort of placebo for people to motivate themselves beyond fear or doubt. Since people over-estimate risk, we often have a much higher odds of succeeding than we feel we do - that prayer is the little bit of nudge to get us to commit to taking a risk we think is far riskier than it is - and we succeed, praise be! He sees the value it brings to the community to have a rallying tool, and sees it as being well worth participating in, even if he has no real opinion on the after-life.

For me, oddly enough, I believe greatly in a spiritual component that goes beyond the physical description of our world. But, that's another story that goes way further than we need to. You could find both of us in the same church and discussing many of the same pieces of scripture, finding many of the same points of value or critique.
 

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Beliefs arent as simple as things being just a choice. A lot of the time it can be due to personal bias and external influence. Choice comes into the matter when somebody processes both sides of the picture.
There are no two sides to a picture only our perception of it. Since our opinions are shaped by experiences and our environment they are bound to have some form of bias. However we make the choices on what we accept and reject. That's where our intellect comes into play and it is the mechanism that allows choice.
 

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There are no two sides to a picture only our perception of it. Since our opinions are shaped by experiences and our environment they are bound to have some form of bias. However we make the choices on what we accept and reject. That's where our intellect comes into play and it is the mechanism that allows choice.
Obvviously, but in many cultures its normal to believe in a higher entity, and in many its not. Its childish and ignorant to believe that choice is the idea of believing alone. Certain things are inherited, certain things are driven into people, like whats seen in the east and west alike. Choice comes when somebody educates themselves outside of simply what they know. E.g. many people i know are religious, and many others grew up in a religous family believing it until one day they they didnt. These people didnt just naturally not believe it, they obviously thought about it and said "thats ridiculous", and vice versa obviously. Its a gross understatement and a large lack of understanding to think that choice alone is the only factor, and thats what can be argued to have lead to the many amounts of discrimination that has been seen. If i was to say "belief is choice" then Nazi Germany chose to believe that all jews are inferior, america chose to believe that blacks only purpose were to be slaves etc etc. Obviously it wasnt their choice to believe it, they saw no other option to make the choice, thus it must have been the truth (from their perspective).

Long story short, choice is certainly a factor, but its a factor of the educated, not the ignorant. Also, there are many, MANY sides to a picture, along with many different perceptions including our own, even if they can be filled with bias, that is a fact.
 
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Yeah, I think belief in a religion is usually a choice once you get to a certain age. However, most people who are religious were brainwashed from birth, and some are never exposed to opposing views.
 

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Not really. Religion is akin to taking your mother's word when she told you the soup was hot. When young, it's not something you decide on as a life choice; It's more about you trusting the words from figures who you should view as reliable.

But your scenario seems ridiculous if you ask me. Just because you follow customs attributed to a religion does not make you religious. Many things & phrases were popularized by religion yet are used by everyone due to it weaving with culture. Marriage, the numerous expressions that mention hell, and holidays. People can judge you however they want, there are religious sects that question other religious sects, what matters is that you believe you align to the religion.

The Nazi example cannot be compared because your actions & words have a direct bearing on whether or not you belong in their camp. Nazis are identified by their actions & perceived beliefs rather than faith, which entails a bit more of everything. Lies can easily be called out in this case if you say you aren't. With religion, there's enough branching and individual preference to believe someone is religious yet doesn't go to church or didn't get baptized.
 

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Is religion always a choice?
No, many people raise their children with their own religion as a template so the child end up beliving in God before they even grasp what a god is.

Cus it seems like people judge people as religious or athesits regardless of their personal faith.
I've read this 4 times now and i still don't get it. (are you saying some people judge religious people as atheists or atheists as religious even though they say otherwise?)


For example, I can spit on churches and burn bibles but call myself a Nazi and people will tell me that make me religious cus nazism is some kind of faith.
"Nazism" isn't a faith, almost all the Nazies wore christians.

Does that also mean if I consider myself religious but act like an atheist or I don't follow every commandement that people will judge me as an atheist?
Atheism is only what theism isn't, said in a other way.

A Theist is a person that have a belief in atleast 1 God.
A Atheist is a person that does not have such a belief. (all the a in "a"theist means is "not", as in not a theist)

I don't think you need to fear being "judged" as a atheist if you just say that you believe in a God, because that means you cannot be a atheist.
 

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depends some people are raised without being exposed to other beliefs or to reject any other beliefs while some people have parents who try to raise them to be religious then they encounter other beliefs and reject their religion or they encounter other beliefs and still chose their religion and end up confirming their faith
 

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Religion is nice but only certain religions. We have religions which support terrorism so I wouldnt recommend following certain crazy ass religions. Christianity is the greatest religion to be part of. And yes it's a choice. You've to swear feilty to someone. Joining a religion is a formality/documented process. God exists. But certain groups of people have weird ways of looking at will of god.
 
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