Is 'positive' discrimination becoming socially acceptable now?

[Avani]

That's because white people are racist to this day. Racial profiling, white america, white corporations, white funding for schools, white neighborhoods are the best. It's the things you don't see but boohoo ppl hate on whites because they enslaved a race for almost a century. We all live with the effects of slavery since then and white people have it the easiest.

While I agree that racism exists- aren't you racially profiling them all in this same post?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Racism has many definitions if you go to different sources. I'm not changing anything at all. For example, here's googles definitions
1- The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

2- Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

You said in an earlier post that saying white people can't be victims of racism is in itself racism. How so? Since we want to go by definitions now, what did I say in that post that claimed I felt superior to white people?

EDIT- Racism and discrimination fall under the same category, but they are not the same.

Racism falls under the category of discrimination.

Not that you feel superior to them. Racism includes the idea that traits are inherent based on race. By saying white people cannot be discriminated against, you apply a trait(can't face racism) on the basis of race(because they're white people), therefore, racism.

For example, a black man saying he doesn't like white people because they are white is bigoted and discriminatory. A department store not hiring a man because he is black is what? A discriminatory business? Or a bigoted business? Maybe a racist business?

These are both examples of racism.

 

[oShux]

While I agree that racism exists- aren't you racially profiling them all in this same post?

I don't think so. He could've worded it better. But I'm more than sure he's saying that there are racist white people today, not that all white people today are racist.

 

[Avani]

I don't think so. He could've worded it better. But I'm more than sure he's saying that there are racist white people today, not that all white people today are racist.

I know that maybe the case, but since he is not wording it properly I get to tease him for it. U_U

 

[oShux]

Racism falls under the category of discrimination.

Not that you feel superior to them. Racism includes the idea that traits are inherent based on race. By saying white people cannot be discriminated against, you apply a trait(can't face racism) on the basis of race(because they're white people), therefore, racism.

Sounds like that reverse racism nonsense people have been making up lately. And you defined bigotry by the way, not racism. And you're also wrong. I never said white people cannot be discriminated against. Read my posts carefully. I said they cannot face racism. Why? Not because they are white, but because they are the majority. It has nothing to do with their skin color, but it has everything to do with their numbers and positions within society. If the roles were reversed then yes white people would be able to be victims of racism. Just like how Bob Marley's father (a white man) faced discrimination and racism in Jamaica, because he was the minority. So no my statement wasn't racist at all because it has nothing to do with their skin color.

 

[LordRaikage]

A Racist Black Person is a Rare thing, but everywhere you go you encounter racist white people.

Sounds like that reverse racism nonsense people have been making up lately. And you defined bigotry by the way, not racism. And you're also wrong. I never said white people cannot be discriminated against. Read my posts carefully. I said they cannot face racism. Why? Not because they are white, but because they are the majority. It has nothing to do with their skin color, but it has everything to do with their numbers and positions within society. If the roles were reversed then yes white people would be able to be victims of racism. Just like how Bob Marley's father (a white man) faced discrimination and racism in Jamaica, because he was the minority. So no my statement wasn't racist at all because it has nothing to do with their skin color.

Where did you hear that story? ...Wtf!

 

[Avani]

You said in an earlier post that saying white people can't be victims of racism is in itself racism. How so? Since we want to go by definitions now, what did I say in that post that claimed I felt superior to white people?

EDIT- Racism and discrimination fall under the same category, but they are not the same. For example, a black man saying he doesn't like white people because they are white is bigoted and discriminatory. A department store not hiring a man because he is black is what? A discriminatory business? Or a bigoted business? Maybe a racist business?

You know just a few days ago I learned that there are groups who actually do believe so and promote the idea:

Yakub (sometimes spelled Yacub or Yakob) is, according to the Nation of Islam (NOI), a black scientist who lived "6,600 years ago" and was responsible for creating the white race to be a "race of devils". He is said to have done this through a form of selective breeding referred to as "grafting", while living on the island of Patmos.....
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. Yakub died at the age of 152, but his followers carried on his work. After 600 years of this deliberate eugenics, the white race was created.[5] The brutal conditions of their creation determined the evil nature of the new race: "by lying to the black mother of the baby, this lie was born into the very nature of the white baby; and, murder for the black people was also born in them — or made by nature a liar and murderer".......

For many centuries they lived a barbaric life, surviving naked in caves and eating raw meat, but eventually they were drawn out of the caves by Moses who "taught them to wear clothes". Moses tried to civilize them, but eventually gave up and blew up 300 of the most troublesome of them with dynamite.[6] However, they had learned to use "tricknology" to usurp power and enslave the black population, bringing the first slaves to America on.......


According to The Autobiography of Malcolm X, all the races other than the black race were by-products of Yakub's work, as the "red, yellow and brown" races were created during the "bleaching" process;[3] however, the "black race" included Asian peoples, considered to be shared ancestors of the Moors. "Whites" were defined as Europeans. Elijah Muhammad also asserted that some of the new white race "tried to graft themselves back into the black nation, but they had nothing to go by." As a result, they became gorillas. "A few were lucky enough to make a start, and got as far as what you call the gorilla. In fact, all of the monkey family are from this 2,000 year history of the white race in Europe....

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Someone tried to feed us the facts stated above as scientific a few days ago, here at NB itself...

I am not even white and can tells stories how white racism lead to death of many thousands in my own country through man made famines+ more. And yet the above para seems like promoting a racial superiority theory to me. ( Not you but there are people on both sides who seem to be promoting weird ideas for establishing their racial superiority over others)

 

[Aim64C]

White's have a past of black slavery but black's have never had white slaves.

This is patently false.

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" Modern day bondage has not been confined to blacks. Contradicting the popular belief that race hatred or white racism (Van Deburg, 1984) was the basis for slavery, are the numerous accounts of Christian-Americans held in slavery by North Africans during the time of the European colonization of America. Baeplar's (1999) collection of Barbary captivity narratives recounts the suffering and humiliating conditions suffered by white slaves. Barbary slaves, however, were not born into captivity nor stolen from their homelands. Their captivity resulted in the course of travels while engaging in mercantile or military enterprises. Barbary slavery was not tied to skin color but as Baeplar makes clear, it was the result "of a legacy of mutual hostility between North Africa and the West" (1999, p. xi). In the Americas, it was not until the "end of the eighteenth century, [that] the words 'slaves' and 'Negroes' began to be interchangeable" (Knight, 1974, p. 186).

According to Meltzer (1993) the European immigrants who come to the United States probably share with black Americans a history of ancestors yoked in slavery.. Most of the people, no matter what their color or where in the world they came from, have ancestors who at one time or another were slaves, or who enslaved others. In addition, according to this same author, many were both slaves at one time and masters at another (1993). Popular view to the contrary, slavery was not a system exclusively maintained by whites to exploit blacks.

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Throughout the time that slavery was in existence, the kinds of slaves that could be owned changed according to time, place, and prevailing laws. Free black ownership was not too complicated at first. Black slave masters were allowed to own (in addition to blacks) white, Christian, and European Americans (Schwarz, 1987). In Virginia in 1670, the legislature prohibited this "freedom" of ownership of Christian whites by blacks, and in 1723 it sharply curtailed the opportunity for bonds people to be emancipated. The number of free black slaveholders would start to rise again only after legislation in 1782 allowed emancipation by deed or will. According to Schwarz (1987), legal and political conditions changed dramatically by 1806, making it necessary for many free blacks to hold slaves to assure their own continued residence in Virginia. Anxious over the increasing presence of unenslaved and harder to control blacks, legislators decided that future beneficiaries of emancipation would have to leave the commonwealth within twelve months of their change of status or else be reenslaved and sold for the benefit of the poor whites. This forced the former slaves to acquire new skills for doing business on their own, which obliged some of them to buy a work force in the form of slaves (Schwarz, 1987). After 1832, blacks could acquire no more slaves except spouses, children or those gained by descent. The Code of 1849 added parents to these exceptions, but in 1858, "acting in an atmosphere of sectional crisis and perhaps emboldened by the United States Supreme Court's pronouncement against black citizenship in Dred Scott v. Sanford (1857), the legislature took away what little security free blacks might hope to give to relatives in the future" (Schwarz, 1987, p. 332). Thus black Virginians could no longer buy family members. These changes occurred throughout the United States with some differences by state. "

The history of slavery in America is complex in its events but simple in its premise. All throughout time, civilizations have enslaved each other. It was nothing unique to America - and, in fact, the unique thing about America is that slavery as a concept was openly challenged and defeated in terms of it being seen as socially intolerable.

 

[Dreamland]

Yeah the reason we won't get over it because we are made to judge.

 

[Yubel]

It seems lately that it's become okay to be openly bigoted and racist towards people with pale skin tones.Hell one person who openly discriminated against those groups and is a proud racist recently walked from hate speech charges.Whereas if a white guy were to say #killallblacks he would've been crucified by now.

And let's not even get into diversity quotas and tokenism,where someone can get special treatment just due to their race,gender,or sexuality.

It seems in today's society that if you're white,straight,and/or male that you are a 'acceptable' target for bigotry and racism.And if you complain then check your privilege because only whites can be bigots while for the other groups it's called 'punching up'.

I agree, just the other day on NB this dude YowYan was constantly going on about Donald Trump being a white man and rich white men but when I called him out on his racism he acted like I'm the one who's stupid. It's become ok for feminists to be really racist against straight white men and everyone being cool with their inherent racist viewpoints. White men are people too, if you don't want racism stop discriminating others yourself.

 

[oShux]

You know just a few days ago I learned that there are groups who actually do believe so and promote the idea:

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Someone tried to feed us the facts stated above as scientific a few days ago, here at NB itself...

I am not even white and can tells stories how white racism lead to death of many thousands in my own country through man made famines+ more. And yet the above para seems like promoting a racial superiority theory to me. ( Not you but there are people on both sides who seem to be promoting weird ideas for establishing their racial superiority over others)

The nation of Islam is a hate group. Nothing they say is credible. Hence why they murdered Malcolm X after he left them. Are you telling me someone on NB seriously said he was superior to white people, while using that link as a source?

This is patently false.

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" Modern day bondage has not been confined to blacks. Contradicting the popular belief that race hatred or white racism (Van Deburg, 1984) was the basis for slavery, are the numerous accounts of Christian-Americans held in slavery by North Africans during the time of the European colonization of America. Baeplar's (1999) collection of Barbary captivity narratives recounts the suffering and humiliating conditions suffered by white slaves. Barbary slaves, however, were not born into captivity nor stolen from their homelands. Their captivity resulted in the course of travels while engaging in mercantile or military enterprises. Barbary slavery was not tied to skin color but as Baeplar makes clear, it was the result "of a legacy of mutual hostility between North Africa and the West" (1999, p. xi). In the Americas, it was not until the "end of the eighteenth century, [that] the words 'slaves' and 'Negroes' began to be interchangeable" (Knight, 1974, p. 186).

According to Meltzer (1993) the European immigrants who come to the United States probably share with black Americans a history of ancestors yoked in slavery.. Most of the people, no matter what their color or where in the world they came from, have ancestors who at one time or another were slaves, or who enslaved others. In addition, according to this same author, many were both slaves at one time and masters at another (1993). Popular view to the contrary, slavery was not a system exclusively maintained by whites to exploit blacks.

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Throughout the time that slavery was in existence, the kinds of slaves that could be owned changed according to time, place, and prevailing laws. Free black ownership was not too complicated at first. Black slave masters were allowed to own (in addition to blacks) white, Christian, and European Americans (Schwarz, 1987). In Virginia in 1670, the legislature prohibited this "freedom" of ownership of Christian whites by blacks, and in 1723 it sharply curtailed the opportunity for bonds people to be emancipated. The number of free black slaveholders would start to rise again only after legislation in 1782 allowed emancipation by deed or will. According to Schwarz (1987), legal and political conditions changed dramatically by 1806, making it necessary for many free blacks to hold slaves to assure their own continued residence in Virginia. Anxious over the increasing presence of unenslaved and harder to control blacks, legislators decided that future beneficiaries of emancipation would have to leave the commonwealth within twelve months of their change of status or else be reenslaved and sold for the benefit of the poor whites. This forced the former slaves to acquire new skills for doing business on their own, which obliged some of them to buy a work force in the form of slaves (Schwarz, 1987). After 1832, blacks could acquire no more slaves except spouses, children or those gained by descent. The Code of 1849 added parents to these exceptions, but in 1858, "acting in an atmosphere of sectional crisis and perhaps emboldened by the United States Supreme Court's pronouncement against black citizenship in Dred Scott v. Sanford (1857), the legislature took away what little security free blacks might hope to give to relatives in the future" (Schwarz, 1987, p. 332). Thus black Virginians could no longer buy family members. These changes occurred throughout the United States with some differences by state. "

The history of slavery in America is complex in its events but simple in its premise. All throughout time, civilizations have enslaved each other. It was nothing unique to America - and, in fact, the unique thing about America is that slavery as a concept was openly challenged and defeated in terms of it being seen as socially intolerable.

American slavery was the worst kind of slavery in my opinion. That's what's "unique" about it.

 

[Yubel]

There are racist people in all races so let's stop pointing fingers here. Also stop using history to justify your own racism, it's in the past, over and done with. No black person today was a slave, stop internalizing this bullshit victim mentality.

 

[LordRaikage]

There are racist people in all races so let's stop pointing fingers here. Also stop using history to justify your own racism, it's in the past, over and done with. No black person today was a slave, stop internalizing this bullshit victim mentality.

It ain't over.

 

[PT1990]

That's because white people are racist to this day

Just like the other races. You wont find more racist people than in some black ghetto.

 

[oShux]

There are racist people in all races so let's stop pointing fingers here. Also stop using history to justify your own racism, it's in the past, over and done with. No black person was a slave, stop internalizing this bullshit victim mentality.

Ignoring it won't make it go away. It's actually far from done with. Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. And it's not just slavery that's the issue. Even after slavery ended blacks were in politics in the south, and were threatened out of it by the KKK. Those who wanted to go to school had their schools burned to the ground, Emit Till got mutilated for "whistling" at a white woman. And to add on to that Jim crow laws didn't even end until the 1960s. Meaning blacks didn't have "equal" rights until half a decade ago. Stop trying to minimize the situation. It's not over and done with. No one says anything to American's still mourning over 9/11

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sounds like that reverse racism nonsense people have been making up lately. And you defined bigotry by the way, not racism. And you're also wrong. I never said white people cannot be discriminated against. Read my posts carefully. I said they cannot face racism. Why? Not because they are white, but because they are the majority. It has nothing to do with their skin color, but it has everything to do with their numbers and positions within society. If the roles were reversed then yes white people would be able to be victims of racism. Just like how Bob Marley's father (a white man) faced discrimination and racism in Jamaica, because he was the minority. So no my statement wasn't racist at all because it has nothing to do with their skin color.

Actually, bigotry is intolerance to people who have a different opinion than you. Being white isn't an opinion.

It doesn't matter if they're the majority, if any of them face discrimination that was on the basis of their race, then they faced racism. Period.

There's no such thing as reverse racism, it's just racism.

 

[oShux]

Just like the other races. You wont find more racist people than in some black ghetto.

What about white households? :bdpf:

 

[Pyro NB]

This is like a freaking religious debate... Whites are going to see it one way while blacks are going to see it another and neither is going to see the others point of view. Best solution is to just stop trying to force your opinion on someone who isn't goi g to accept and listen to it.

Also you should just have a tone of mixed children and this problem would be solved lol xD

 

[PT1990]

What about white households? :bdpf:

No, not even close. Unless there are some KKK villages or something.

 

[oShux]

Actually, bigotry is intolerance to people who have a different opinion than you. Being white isn't an opinion.

It doesn't matter if they're the majority, if any of them face discrimination that was on the basis of their race, then they faced racism. Period.

There's no such thing as reverse racism, it's just racism.

If they aren't being systematically oppressed as well it isn't racism. Period.

This is like a freaking religious debate... Whites are going to see it one way while blacks are going to see it another and neither is going to see the others point of view. Best solution is to just stop trying to force your opinion on someone who isn't goi g to accept and listen to it.

Also you should just have a tone of mixed children and this problem would be solved lol xD

I honestly felt the same way. It's hard to understand where a man if you haven't walked a mile in his shoes. And I also thought that in the past as well lol. Imagine if all of our politicians, police officers, and civilians were mixed babies.

No, not even close. Unless there are some KKK villages or something.

So I take it you've been to every white household, an every black ghetto? You're all knowing?