[Question] Is Mihawk a little bit OVERrated?

[Hijey]

He is above everyone else? Lol?

I would love to see Rayleigh vs mihawk.

Lol -IMO-

Are you talking about current Rayleigh or prime? It's a fact that the current one is weaker. If you think about it, Blackbeard will most likely be roughly as strong as prime Roger/WB when he fights Luffy for the title of PK. Thus, Mihawk being the one that Zoro will need to beat for the title of WSS, he should also be roughly as strong as prime Rayleigh. The only other people than Mihawk are like that I think are Shanks, Dragon and Akainu.

 

[crono0929]

I meant current Rayleigh, i know mihawk will most likely win, but i want to see how far ray pushes him.

 

[LeEvilTongue]

Doesn't matter. Since Mihawks title dictates he's stronger than Admiral Fujitora.

What have you been smoking and can I have something too?

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Id put him at Admiral level.
I cant see him competing with people like Garp and Newgate.

 

[ToshiZO]

A good fight would be Mihawk vs Marco. That's the battle he might be able to pull off. Still would lean towards Marco. The Admirals and Yonkou? For the big guns, he needs to prove himself, making up for his pathetic performance in MF.

 

[crono0929]

A good fight would be Mihawk vs Marco. That's the battle he might be able to pull off. Still would lean towards Marco. The Admirals and Yonkou? For the big guns, he needs to prove himself, making up for his pathetic performance in MF.

Yeah, specially wanting to measure the distance between him and whitebeard, whitebeard did not even bother moving.

 

[Hijey]

A good fight would be Mihawk vs Marco. That's the battle he might be able to pull off. Still would lean towards Marco. The Admirals and Yonkou? For the big guns, he needs to prove himself, making up for his pathetic performance in MF.

Any fight against Marco is good as it's ambiguous wether he would lose against some of the Admirals and Emperors, like Rayleigh. Still, I would give the benefit of doubt to Mihawk since he's the ultimate benchmark for the future PK's right hand man. However, saying Mihawk's performance in MF was pathetic is only something a hater would say. What about it was pathetic? He has better showings than Sengoku who is an Admiral

Yeah, specially wanting to measure the distance between him and whitebeard, whitebeard did not even bother moving.

:\. A distance which he saw as rather small. WB not bothering to move is no different from Luffy doing the same in Fishman Island arc and Zoro/Sanji stopped those fishmen from getting to Luffy. WB has men that can tango with the likes of Mihawk just fine as we've seen them do it against the Admirals.

 

[crono0929]

Any fight against Marco is good as it's ambiguous wether he would lose against some of the Admirals and Emperors, like Rayleigh. Still, I would give the benefit of doubt to Mihawk since he's the ultimate benchmark for the future PK's right hand man. However, saying Mihawk's performance in MF was pathetic is only something a hater would say. What about it was pathetic? He has better showings than Sengoku who is an Admiral

:\. A distance which he saw as rather small. WB not bothering to move is no different from Luffy doing the same in Fishman Island arc and Zoro/Sanji stopped those fishmen from getting to Luffy. WB has men that can tango with the likes of Mihawk just fine as we've seen them do it against the Admirals.

luffy had Fodder fishmen coming to him, Whitbeard had Admirals and Shichibukai.

now you are implying that the gap between Whitebeard and Mihawk is small?

 

[Hijey]

luffy had Fodder fishmen coming to him, Whitbeard had Admirals and Shichibukai.

Yeah so? It's still their duty to protect their captain if they are around and he doesn't say otherwise. Is Aokiji much than Akainu for being interrupted by fighting someone much weaker than WB?

now you are implying that the gap between Whitebeard and Mihawk is small?

That's what he himself thinks. WB was stronger than the other big guys, but it wasn't by a big amount

 

[ToshiZO]

Any fight against Marco is good as it's ambiguous wether he would lose against some of the Admirals and Emperors, like Rayleigh. Still, I would give the benefit of doubt to Mihawk since he's the ultimate benchmark for the future PK's right hand man. However, saying Mihawk's performance in MF was pathetic is only something a hater would say. What about it was pathetic? He has better showings than Sengoku who is an Admiral

:\. A distance which he saw as rather small. WB not bothering to move is no different from Luffy doing the same in Fishman Island arc and Zoro/Sanji stopped those fishmen from getting to Luffy. WB has men that can tango with the likes of Mihawk just fine as we've seen them do it against the Admirals.

No it was good for a high tier worthy character, for someone who is supposed to be a top tier it was horrible, when I was watching MF I couldn't believe what I was seeing, I was kinda dissapointed in Oda for portraying Mihawk in such a way. I had extremely high expectations for the guy, he's my fave shichibukai, but his showing on Marineford was disappointing.

Yeah, specially wanting to measure the distance between him and whitebeard, whitebeard did not even bother moving.

Yes. That was a perfect example of what I mean by dissapointing. We know Mihawk wasn't holding back with that attack, yet it got easily ignored by WB and a 3rd division commander Jozu managed to stop it. He was measuring the difference between him and WB why would he hold back against the WSM?

 

[Hijey]

No it was good for a high tier worthy character, for someone who is supposed to be a top tier it was horrible, when I was watching MF I couldn't believe what I was seeing, I was kinda dissapointed in Oda for portraying Mihawk in such a way. I had extremely high expectations for the guy, he's my fave shichibukai, but his showing on Marineford was disappointing.

Vista fighting Mihawk just proves he can fight the top tiers fine and most OP fans rank Vista as the weakest of the top tiers. Nothing to be dissapointed about.

Yes. That was a perfect example of what I mean by dissapointing. We know Mihawk wasn't holding back with that attack, yet it got easily ignored by WB and a 3rd division commander Jozu managed to stop it. He was measuring the difference between him and WB why would he hold back against the WSM?

Jozu was strong enough that he was evenly fighting Kuzan - he isn't going down with just one attack and especially not one that he is the perfect counter for, not to mention the attack travelled a fair distance. Kizaru had more of a reason not to hold back against WB, yet I see literally nobody downplaying him who was stopped in the very next page.

 

[thegame]

I like how this guy casually said "Lord Rayleigh" +rep.

Lol, didn't even think about it, but that is how he is U_U

Shanks is a Yonkou, and Mihawk is equal to Shanks, making him Yonkou level.

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Where was it said, that Mihawk is equal to Shanks? Of course he isn't........ All that is said, is that he is a better swordsman.

He is above current Rayleigh, who himself is a solid top tier which is what an Emperor level is.

So what level are admirals? Rayleigh fought on equal terms with Kizaru, and he even said, he needed to call reinforcements, if they were to beat him.

Besides there is no thing such as Yonkou level, since we don't really know it, except for WB, and assuming they all hold same strength is nonsense...

 

[Hijey]

Where was it said, that Mihawk is equal to Shanks? Of course he isn't........ All that is said, is that he is a better swordsman.

If that's a fact, you wouldn't have problem proving it. I assume SanjiNL think they are still more or less equals like they were 14 years ago when they had countless duels(we don't know if they actually were equals back then, but it's a safe assumption since they were rivals who had lots of duels).

So what level are admirals? Rayleigh fought on equal terms with Kizaru, and he even said, he needed to call reinforcements, if they were to beat him.

Besides there is no thing such as Yonkou level, since we don't really know it, except for WB, and assuming they all hold same strength is nonsense...

Admirals and people such as Rayleigh are the in the same general level as the Emperors. People just assume the other Emperors are automatically stronger than the Admirals just because WB was which is wrong since WB was also stronger than the Emperors.

 

[ToshiZO]

Vista fighting Mihawk just proves he can fight the top tiers fine and most OP fans rank Vista as the weakest of the top tiers. Nothing to be dissapointed about.

Lol no they dont......maybe only you and the other Mihawk fanboys.....

Jozu was strong enough that he was evenly fighting Kuzan - he isn't going down with just one attack and especially not one that he is the perfect counter for, not to mention the attack travelled a fair distance. Kizaru had more of a reason not to hold back against WB, yet I see literally nobody downplaying him who was stopped in the very next page.

Kizaru got stopped by Marco a top tier. And he is also Kizaru he doesn't need to prove anything..... he's done enough to say he is one of the strongest characters in the show. Holding off Rayleigh, shooting lasers through WB, has the title of Admiral. Mihawk lacks everything needed to be a top tier except for hype, the only time hype though can be considered is when a character doesn't have feats, Mihawk has feats in MF and they were not top tier feats. Shanks with not even half as many feats got top tier feats, same thing with Fujitora.

Having trouble with Vista is not a good feat. He's someone Shanks and the other top tiers would literally swat out of the way in a hit. Just think of Vista vs WB thats a oneshot for WB, Shanks is on WB's level, he's shown it, Oda has portrayed it. As far as Mihawk's portrayal goes its not even close. I'm hoping he recovers and shows what he was originally intended for.

 

[Hijey]

Lol no they dont......maybe only you and the other Mihawk fanboys.....

Lol they do. Calling me a fanboy when you are an obvious hater won't help your case.

Kizaru got stopped by Marco a top tier. And he is also Kizaru he doesn't need to prove anything..... he's done enough to say he is one of the strongest characters in the show. Holding off Rayleigh, shooting lasers through WB, has the title of Admiral.

Cool story. Good thing I'm not a hater and wouldn't deny any of that.

Mihawk lacks everything needed to be a top tier except for hype

He has the feats and the hype for it. As we've seen him casually, by mistake, perform one of the greatest feats in the show.

Mihawk has feats in MF and they were not top tier feats.

What a nonsense. By that logic, the top tiers that performed feats were not top tier feats.

Having trouble with Vista is not a good feat.

Yeah Vista is a strong fellow.

He's someone Shanks and the other top tiers would literally swat out of the way in a hit.

Prove this baseless claim. You're clearly watching something other than One Piece.

Just think of Vista vs WB thats a oneshot for WB

*Thinks about it* No, WB isn't strong enough to one shot him as we've seen him fight another top tier legitimately.

Shanks is on WB's level, he's shown it, Oda has portrayed it. As far as Mihawk's portrayal goes its not even close.

Shanks and the other top tiers are on WB's general level.

 

[ToshiZO]

Lol they do. Calling me a fanboy when you are an obvious hater won't help your case.




Cool story. Good thing I'm not a hater and wouldn't deny any of that.


He has the feats and the hype for it. As we've seen him casually, by mistake, perform one of the greatest feats in the show.


What a nonsense. By that logic, the top tiers that performed feats were not top tier feats.




Yeah Vista is a strong fellow.


Prove this baseless claim. You're clearly watching something other than One Piece.


*Thinks about it* No, WB isn't strong enough to one shot him as we've seen him fight another top tier legitimately.


Shanks and the other top tiers are on WB's general level.

lol I wanna know what you are basing Vista's strength off if you're saying he's a top tier cause of Mihawk, than thats your fault as this whole argument is Mihawk is overrated. The fact that Vista someone who many consider under Ace's level, is holding off Mihawk does not help his case. Look here man, I dont care about all that stuff (ICeburg cutting) those things are cool and all but the real feats are where you prove yourself against other opponents, otherwise Law is a top tier for casually cutting a mountain range.....its not how it works, you need to prove yourself against top tier opponents or stomp the mid tier/high tier opponents...he didn't do either and there is no way you can defend that.

-He fought no top tier in the war
- his slash that he didnt hold back in, didnt even reach WB, got stopped by Jozu
-He got stopped by Vista who is nowhere near top tier status ( I have no idea what you read honestly, if the manga isn't good enough for you do some research search around....no one considers Vista near top tier status lol, its your own fantasy to boost Mihawk).
-He got stopped by Croc

So he didn't do these two things:

1-Hold off a top tier
2-Stomp the mid tiers/high tiers

and there are no excuses since he had the opportunity to via Vista.

 

[Hijey]

lol I wanna know what you are basing Vista's strength off if you're saying he's a top tier cause of Mihawk, than thats your fault as this whole argument is Mihawk is overrated.

It's not my fault that you're downplaying certain people. Vista and his two other buddies fought top tiers and they did a good job at it. Should be simple enough.

The fact that Vista someone who many consider under Ace's level

Hold on. Based on what? LOL, gotta be those buddies of yours over in mf. Ace is in the same general level as the current M3 and he was swatted away like a fly by Akainu. Vista actually fought a top tier head on.

Look here man, I dont care about all that stuff (ICeburg cutting) those things are cool and all but the real feats are where you prove yourself against other opponents

Yeah, not surprised. That's exactly something someone who likes to downplay people would do.

otherwise Law is a top tier for casually cutting a mountain range.....its not how it works

Lol at that being casual. He used his ultimate move and that was all thanks to a devil fruit that has good AoE. Whereas the one Mihawk used was done without a devil fruit and casually.

you need to prove yourself against top tier opponents or stomp the mid tier/high tier opponents...he didn't do either and there is no way you can defend that.

Prove any top tier can stomp Vista.

-He fought no top tier in the war

Vista

-his slash that he didnt hold back in, didnt even reach WB, got stopped by Jozu

Jozu who was strong enough to fight Kuzan who is the man who fought Akainu for 10 whole days and barely lost against him. Clearly, Jozu is not anyone you can fvck with.

-He got stopped by Vista who is nowhere near top tier status ( I have no idea what you read honestly, if the manga isn't good enough for you do some research search around....no one considers Vista near top tier status lol, its your own fantasy to boost Mihawk).

Prove Vista wouldn't be able to stop top tiers and would get stomped by them.

-He got stopped by Croc

By that logic, Akainu got stopped by Crocodile too.

there are no excuses since he had the opportunity to via Vista.

....Or, it's not an excuse because Vista isn't someone like that.

 

[ToshiZO]

It's not my fault that you're downplaying certain people. Vista and his two other buddies fought top tiers and they did a good job at it. Should be simple enough.


Hold on. Based on what? LOL, gotta be those buddies of yours over in mf. Ace is in the same general level as the current M3 and he was swatted away like a fly by Akainu. Vista actually fought a top tier head on.


Yeah, not surprised. That's exactly something someone who likes to downplay people would do.


Lol at that being casual. He used his ultimate move and that was all thanks to a devil fruit that has good AoE. Whereas the one Mihawk used was done without a devil fruit and casually.


Prove any top tier can stomp Vista.



Vista

Jozu who was strong enough to fight Kuzan who is the man who fought Akainu for 10 whole days and barely lost against him. Clearly, Jozu is not anyone you can fvck with.


Prove Vista wouldn't be able to stop top tiers and would get stomped by them.


By that logic, Akainu got stopped by Crocodile too.



....Or, it's not an excuse because Vista isn't someone like that.

haha you're asking me to prove how Vista's not a top tier? You have to prove how he is a top tier, you're the one who made the claim that he was. And its not hard to prove he's not a top tier, he couldn't hurt Akainu by cheapshotting him, and dont bring up Marco he clashed against Akainu head on after that, Vista is/was a non factor against Akainu its right there in the manga dude. Im not gonna waste my time here anymore. If top tier means you are a non factor against an Admiral than yea he is a top tier.

And seriously stop with the DF/ Non DF claims, like I said Law cut a mountain, Im not gonna sit there and cry about it cause Mihawk doesn't use a DF, that doesn't change what happened, Garp is considered to be the strongest Marine ever and he doesn't have a DF, also that way Kizaru is crap cause of his DF, same with Aokiji, same with Akainu etc. na thats a lame argument. In the end you are judged based on your performance and interactions against other strong characters.

 

[Hijey]

haha you're asking me to prove how Vista's not a top tier? You have to prove how he is a top tier, you're the one who made the claim that he was. And its not hard to prove he's not a top tier

Sure, that's not difficult. We'll apply the logic you so proudly used earlier. He proved himself by fighting another top tier without getting steamrolled and was also praised.

he couldn't hurt Akainu by cheapshotting him

Lol, and? Marco could not do it either.

and dont bring up Marco he clashed against Akainu head on after that

I'll bring in Marco too because Vista was actually also there with him even after that.

Vista is/was a non factor against Akainu its right there in the manga dude.

Prove this ridiculous claim if it's in the manga.

Im not gonna waste my time here anymore. If top tier means you are a non factor against an Admiral than yea he is a top tier.

Top tier is anyone that can give a fight to other top tiers. We know Ace can't but that Vista can.

And seriously stop with the DF/ Non DF claims, like I said Law cut a mountain, Im not gonna sit there and cry about it cause Mihawk doesn't use a DF, that doesn't change what happened, Garp is considered to be the strongest Marine ever and he doesn't have a DF, also that way Kizaru is crap cause of his DF, same with Aokiji, same with Akainu etc. na thats a lame argument. In the end you are judged based on your performance and interactions against other strong characters.

I see no reason to stop with it because you're the one that compared the two feats. You're the one that's taking away Mihawk's feat using non top tier Law who's DF is huge AoE and performed with his strongest move. Give credit where it's due.

 

[ToshiZO]

Sure, that's not difficult. We'll apply the logic you so proudly used earlier. He proved himself by fighting another top tier without getting steamrolled and was also praised.



Lol, and? Marco could not do it either.



I'll bring in Marco too because Vista was actually also there with him even after that.


Prove this ridiculous claim if it's in the manga.


Top tier is anyone that can give a fight to other top tiers. We know Ace can't but that Vista can.




I see no reason to stop with it because you're the one that compared the two feats. You're the one that's taking away Mihawk's feat using non top tier Law who's DF is huge AoE and performed with his strongest move. Give credit where it's due.

Um lol? Vista was a non factor against Akainu....why are you in denial guy? He tried cheapshotting him it didn't work. On the other hand Marco clashed with him 1v1 right after

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, he was the only one there capable of doing so, also Marco prior to that slash was injured by Kizaru and he had just taken off his seastone cuffs, Vista was in top form he has no excuses....why didn't Vista help? Because he can't he's a non factor who gets one shotted.

Um Ace's feat of countering a serious Aokiji named attack >>> Vistas feat of holding off an off panel Mihawk who wasn't using any named attacks.

Lol Vista is not a top tier mate. You dont have anything to say so either except for the fact that he held off Mihawk, who got stopped by Croc head on.