jimbobbity
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I'm not saying there's any thing wrong with that (other than losing your job imo cos that has nothing to do with the deed), i have a problem with people taking things into their own hands and outside of the law.
Is #MeToo fair?
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it's not about that, it's about how people are dragged true the mud and being slandered online and in the media without a shread of evidence or a trial having been done for the crime.
way to move the goal post there...
By this: I mean, an innocent person being accused could feel the consequences.
If it is not unfair then i hope you are falsely accused of rape and have several articles written about you where they drop your name and address talking about how the victim of the rape claimed you raped them.
But don't worry sins it's not "unfair" then what harm could it do?
You mustn't have paid attention to MeToo then.
yes, yes it is.
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Lightbringer
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And I was asking you for proof. People who are innocent have their names cleared and Aziz Ansari is an example of that. People came to his defense.
Over 90% of allegations turn out to be true. Immediately insinuating it is false given that number and the fact that false allegations risk the accuser's own reputation and well-being which can net them over 10 years in prison, only paints you as a victim blamer.
#MeToo is a response to how apathetic people are to sexual misconduct and how allegations aren't taken seriously. We live in a climate where women are smeared as sluts or whores if they get raped, with people telling them they shouldn't wear revealing clothes or it's just boys being boys. Much like other recent activist groups, people are tired of the dismissiveness.
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HowDidIGetPrem
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I wouldn't direct my complaints at the movement, but harassers and the accuser if I'm certain I did nothing wrong. It's bad, sure, but there is recourse against misdeeds done to you.
Its cool but its inspired so many people to just try and pop up and create an allegation for everyone that its starting to become a problem, I personally have met many females who lied about it (before the movement) and I've also met some who haven't there will always be both the truth and the lies and the movement needs to do a better job at separating.
Lightbringer
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This have nothing to do with MeToo, but the whole listen and believe the "victim" and the "accuser" is always right claims are fucked up and innocent people are getting hurt by it.
Listen and believe is wrong, you are innocent until proven guilty not the other way around.
This guy was conviced for 50 years without evidence because a woman claimed he molested her.
or this:
an independent journalist doing actual journalism.
Listen and believe is wrong, you are innocent until proven guilty not the other way around.
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This guy was conviced for 50 years without evidence because a woman claimed he molested her.
or this:
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an independent journalist doing actual journalism.
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salamander uchiha
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These cases are sick, it's one of the major failings of the western justice system. When it's one person's word against the other such cases should not be tried. There should be clear concrete evidence, not a likelihood of a crime taking place.
There are other systems which are stricter and the burden of proof is absolute so most people are set free. They always have the presumption of innocence till guilt is established. The western system is moving away from that and has become flawed, a flawed system is the sign of a decaying society.
Ps. I'm not against women getting justice, I support it fully. However, innocent till proven guilty is an iron clad law and people(claimants and their sympathisers) need to understand that.
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salamander uchiha
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I'm not sitting here talking about white hollywood problems lol
Nelly, Ezekiel Elliot, Drake, Freddie Gibbs, Charlemagne, Russel Simmons there are false accusations everywhere for black people and shit needs to stop.
Lightbringer
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Ok, well were they all part of the #metoo movement? I'm not denying that false allegations exist, but you stated that #metoo inspired "so many people" to make false accusations.
So where's the evidence to that?
Punk Hazard
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Charlamagne tha God was not a false accusation. He himself admitted to giving a woman spanish fly(the same shit Cosby used) and having *** with her while she was unaware.
Also, this racial narrative you're pushing is a load of shit, considering white members of Hollywood have received backlash and have ruined careers as well. Not to mention the MeToo support of Terry Crews.
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Personally, I think any type of allegations should be kept privately until there is enough evidence that would show the individual is indeed guilty. At that point the public should be made aware of it. Just to avoid unnecessary harm or stress to the family caused by the media,in case it turned out to be false. Though there’s still a chance that a innocent person could go to prison over false allegations,so the justice system isn’t perfect.
Now #MeToo may have started as a noble cause ,after all according to one study 78% of rape accusations are true, but it’s apparent that some people are using it to make bs claims and ruin someone’s reputation. Even catcalling ,something that women do too, is included in #MeToo on Twitter or Facebook. Plus one of the leaders of the movement,Asia Argento was involved in a *** scandal, accused for sleeping with a 17yr actor...
Yet it’s perfectly acceptable for a woman to deny such accusations but unacceptable for a man to deny it. If you fail to see such double standards in #MeToo than you’re not paying attention.
So the people involved are not perfect themselves. What the movement should achieve is actual fairness for all and not to be one sided. Especially if a man comes out to say he has been sexually assaulted and both sides will laugh at him as it’s “not possible for a man to be raped”.
With the hearing of Bret Kavanaugh for example ,they view the women as
for speaking out but if the men stands up for himself over such allegations he’s a drunk,a monster,has anger issues,a liar,etc. Even though no solid evidence from both sides had been presented, people are idiotic enough to see him as guilty right away over he said/she said. Especially when Ford was first to talk and people were already siding with her even though her witnesses, something that would have made her story solid , were unable to corroborate to it because they had no recollection of the incident in question , didn’t went to such a party or ever seeing Kavanaugh there. One accuser claimed he spiked the drinks but later in a interview said she wasn’t sure if he did. Another witness came out to say his story about Bret was a lie and apologized.
Too many inconsistencies at this point to take a side. Which today,I’m not surprised to hear the investigation showed “no hint of misconduct.”
Now #MeToo may have started as a noble cause ,after all according to one study 78% of rape accusations are true, but it’s apparent that some people are using it to make bs claims and ruin someone’s reputation. Even catcalling ,something that women do too, is included in #MeToo on Twitter or Facebook. Plus one of the leaders of the movement,Asia Argento was involved in a *** scandal, accused for sleeping with a 17yr actor...
Yet it’s perfectly acceptable for a woman to deny such accusations but unacceptable for a man to deny it. If you fail to see such double standards in #MeToo than you’re not paying attention.
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So the people involved are not perfect themselves. What the movement should achieve is actual fairness for all and not to be one sided. Especially if a man comes out to say he has been sexually assaulted and both sides will laugh at him as it’s “not possible for a man to be raped”.
With the hearing of Bret Kavanaugh for example ,they view the women as
You must be registered for see images
for speaking out but if the men stands up for himself over such allegations he’s a drunk,a monster,has anger issues,a liar,etc. Even though no solid evidence from both sides had been presented, people are idiotic enough to see him as guilty right away over he said/she said. Especially when Ford was first to talk and people were already siding with her even though her witnesses, something that would have made her story solid , were unable to corroborate to it because they had no recollection of the incident in question , didn’t went to such a party or ever seeing Kavanaugh there. One accuser claimed he spiked the drinks but later in a interview said she wasn’t sure if he did. Another witness came out to say his story about Bret was a lie and apologized.
Too many inconsistencies at this point to take a side. Which today,I’m not surprised to hear the investigation showed “no hint of misconduct.”
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