[Discussion] Is Marineford power scaling should be taken account???

[Relostar Devil]

For current forums, on the power levels we judge the previous characters like shichibukai or WB commanders or Shanks and team, should they really be taken account on the power scale we judge today? Like Marco fighting with admirals or crocodile attacking top tiers or vista clashing with mihawk based on the marineford feats, are these feats really should be something we should put on the power list among younkous because marco was nowhere near the akainu's level as he was unable to injure him even with the help of vista and same for crocodile. Moriah relying on his cheap shadow stealing trick just to defeat his opponent because he is super weak in fist fight because he lacked haki feats before time skip. If war will be made now it would be on a completely different levels because we have haki now which was not there on marineford, if marco fight with akainu now, then there will be spilling of akianu's blood which was not there in previous one, swordsman cutting logias in half, zoan fully coating their whole body with armanent for defense, even weak people like coby using armanent fist to defeat enemies or luffy using king's haki on fodders as a signal of starting a war.
In recent threads, members are putting characters on top list just because of their position in their crew which is totally absurd.Ace was unable to do in front of akainu on war but by any chance if he comes back and clash with him then surely he would be giving equal tackles to him bcoz haki is developed at this point in anime.
So conclusion is, is it really a worth of time to judge jozu, shanks, Ben or any other character on the basis of feats we had till now bcoz that is completely pointless cause they would be completely on a different level with same power with same enemies just bcoz of HAKI oda has created.

 

[Bimbonium]

The thing is, even with Haki characters will still have the same relative strength meaning Akainu would still fry Ace, the manner of frying would just be different.

 

[Tobi98]

At that time, the concept of haki already existed, it just didn't have that black color

 

[Liquid Snake]

Its crazy but during marineford akainu stated Marco used haki I think u need kings haki to defeat akainu not just regular haki . That's why luffy is dangerous to them.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

There was still Haki at Marineford, the concept of Armament Haki had been introduced at Amaon Lily, it's just that Oda hadn't decided to make it black at that point. Still, DF superiority is still a thing, or Akainu would have just said "I have haki, and you are dead!"

 

[chopstickchakra]

The thing is, even with Haki characters will still have the same relative strength meaning Akainu would still fry Ace, the manner of frying would just be different.

Not necessarily, though more than likely. There were a lot of factors that played at MF and if we removed all those outside factors and boosted the fighter then it would play differently. No WB to insult means Ace wouldn't rush in, no Luffy to protect means he wouldn't need to absorb the blow to save Luffy's life. See that's something that never sat quite right with me, Logia are intangible so shouldn't Akainu's punch have went through him and still hit Luffy? I think the reason it didn't(beside plot) was 1 of two things, either Logia can choose to solidify their body and Ace did so to stop Akainu's fist or he had a mild armament haki that reduced the momentum enough that it didn't pass all the way through.

 

[Relostar Devil]

At that time, the concept of haki already existed, it just didn't have that black color

There was still Haki at Marineford, the concept of Armament Haki had been introduced at Amaon Lily, it's just that Oda hadn't decided to make it black at that point. Still, DF superiority is still a thing, or Akainu would have just said "I have haki, and you are dead!"

Haki concept was not that developed at that time if he had than akainu surely would have injured badly when Marco and crocs. Attacked him but there wasn't a slight cut there, its not akainu is super strong or something he is just a normal logia which can be hurt by a haki coated punches or attacks. If Marco would be shown now than surely he will have a monstrous haki which could be even greater than luffy's.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Not necessarily, though more than likely. There were a lot of factors that played at MF and if we removed all those outside factors and boosted the fighter then it would play differently. No WB to insult means Ace wouldn't rush in, no Luffy to protect means he wouldn't need to absorb the blow to save Luffy's life. See that's something that never sat quite right with me, Logia are intangible so shouldn't Akainu's punch have went through him and still hit Luffy? I think the reason it didn't(beside plot) was 1 of two things, either Logia can choose to solidify their body and Ace did so to stop Akainu's fist or he had a mild armament haki that reduced the momentum enough that it didn't pass all the way through.

Or maybe he died at the moment he took that punch from akainu which made his body solidify

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Haki concept was not that developed at that time if he had than akainu surely would have injured badly when Marco and crocs. Attacked him but there wasn't a slight cut there, its not akainu is super strong or something he is just a normal logia which can be hurt by a haki coated punches or attacks. If Marco would be shown now than surely he will have a monstrous haki which could be even greater than luffy's.

Akainu specifically mentioned that Marco was using Haki when he slashed him. Oda only knows how he survived that hit, i'm guessing it's either some way of negating Haki, or he's copying Trebol.

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[ToshiZO]

Haki is just one of those rare things that Oda didn't execute well. Oda just didn't have Haki fully carved out early enough.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Or maybe he died at the moment he took that punch from akainu which made his body solidify

Or maybe he didn't since he was talking to Luffy and apologizing with Akainu's fist still in his chest.