Is Kinshiki stronger than SM Hashi and can he defeat him?

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Hashirama don't through his chakra away and Kin needs you to absorb chakra. Hashirama would beat the daylights outta Kin with ease.
Kin's not taijustu skilled but Hashirama is. If Kin can't absorb then it's game over man, game over!...
 

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Yea why? Because sasuke helped, then chojuro attacked, got sliced and was bout to be killed, out of nowhere came kurotsuchi, if it was'nt for the ambush, chojuro would be dead, the same kinshiki who was pressuring sasuke, and even forced him to use ameno (unless you you think chojuro and kurotsuchi are that fast) or do you?
Kinshiki went for a headshot with his axe and Chojuro dodged. He then parried one swing, but was overwhelmed due to the strength difference.


“Haah!”
Choujuurou and Kurotsuchi launched an attack.
“You impudent ones!”
Kinshiki expanded his giant axe, and counter-attacked. Kurotsuchi and Choujuurou nimbly evaded him.
Just another example from the novelization of Kinshiki being unable to blitz.



Momoshiki is as fast as Kinshiki & Sasuke.

"Sasuke’s sprint was so fast that the average shinobi couldn’t possible hope to keep up.
But, the two ogres kept up with him.
"

Yet Momoshiki was pressured in CQC by Darui & Gaara without being able to inflict damage on either.
“!”
Gaara’s sand was stretching towards Momoshiki’s feet. Momoshiki leapt up, avoiding the sand by a hair’s breadth. But up in the sky, Darui was lying in wait.
“How to say this?” Darui said. “You’ll get destroyed at this rate, yknow.”
Darui used his muscles as a bullet of mass and swooped down on Momoshiki. Momoshiki evaded this attack, as well, however this too was only a diversion. Gaara with his Absolute Defence of sand was approaching from behind them!
“Don’t think that you can run away fro us.” he said.
“You low-grade beings!”
The swing of Momoshiki’s blade was stopped and caught by Gaara’s blade of sand."

No, Kinshiki can't blitz Hashirama.
Sasuke isn't anywhere near as fast as he is wanked to be, so yes, in CQC, the Kage would easily be able to keep up with him, presumably at least in groups of 2 like they were against Momoshiki & Kinshiki.
 
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Kinshiki went for a headshot with his axe and Chojuro dodged. He then parried one swing, but was overwhelmed due to the strength difference.


“Haah!”
Choujuurou and Kurotsuchi launched an attack.
“You impudent ones!”
Kinshiki expanded his giant axe, and counter-attacked. Kurotsuchi and Choujuurou nimbly evaded him.
Just another example from the novelization of Kinshiki being unable to blitz.



Momoshiki is as fast as Kinshiki & Sasuke.

"Sasuke’s sprint was so fast that the average shinobi couldn’t possible hope to keep up.
But, the two ogres kept up with him.
"

Yet Momoshiki was pressured in CQC by Darui & Gaara without being able to inflict damage on either.
“!”
Gaara’s sand was stretching towards Momoshiki’s feet. Momoshiki leapt up, avoiding the sand by a hair’s breadth. But up in the sky, Darui was lying in wait.
“How to say this?” Darui said. “You’ll get destroyed at this rate, yknow.”
Darui used his muscles as a bullet of mass and swooped down on Momoshiki. Momoshiki evaded this attack, as well, however this too was only a diversion. Gaara with his Absolute Defence of sand was approaching from behind them!
“Don’t think that you can run away fro us.” he said.
“You low-grade beings!”
The swing of Momoshiki’s blade was stopped and caught by Gaara’s blade of sand."

No, Kinshiki can't blitz Hashirama.
Sasuke isn't anywhere near as fast as he is wanked to be, so yes, in CQC, the Kage would easily be able to keep up with him, presumably at least in groups of 2 like they were against Momoshiki & Kinshiki.
Who is the fastest charater you think naruto can blitz?
 

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He can probably blitz the Kage with his fastest shunshin if the conditions are favorable(catching them off-guard), though it's not likely to happen in the midst of combat and if the Kage are completely focused on him.
You do know that juubito blitzed hashirama right? This is a one vs one, and kinshiki was more concerned and focused on sasuke, and was eager to save momo seeing as he was in a pinch and was not fully alert (with his byakugan he should have seen kurotsuki, but due to lack of concentration he did'nt)
 

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You do know that juubito blitzed hashirama right?
Obito blitzed Hashirama's clone.
This is a one vs one, and kinshiki was more concerned and focused on sasuke, and was eager to save momo seeing as he was in a pinch and was not fully alert (with his byakugan he should have seen kurotsuki, but due to lack of concentration he did'nt)
Not really sure what you're referring to here. You mixed up the order of events.
 

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Obito blitzed Hashirama's clone.

Not really sure what you're referring to here. You mixed up the order of events.
Well even if that's a clone, tobirama was'nt a clone, and madara said tobirama was once hailed to be the fastest shinobi, and he still got blitzed (it happened so fast that neither naruto nor minato saw it happen), and juubito is inferior to sasuke (who got pressured by kinshiki), if it was a 2 vs 1 that is chojuro and kurotsuki vs kinshiki (kinshiki with full concentration and no surprise attacks) kinshiki will blitz chojuro then proceed to blitz kurotsuchi
 

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Well even if that's a clone, tobirama was'nt a clone, and madara said tobirama was once hailed to be the fastest shinobi, and he still got blitzed (it happened so fast that neither naruto nor minato saw it happen),
Tobirama physically reacted to Obito by tagging him, which means that he can easily mentally react with Hiraishin if he wanted to.

and juubito is inferior to sasuke (who got pressured by kinshiki),
Ten Tails Obito is not slower than Sasuke. :lol
if it was a 2 vs 1 that is chojuro and kurotsuki vs kinshiki (kinshiki with full concentration and no surprise attacks) kinshiki will blitz chojuro then proceed to blitz kurotsuchi
You do realize that Chojuro & Kurotsuchi confronted Kinshiki before Sasuke interfered in the movie, right? He fought Chojuro 1v1 very briefly with neither Sasuke or Kurotsuchi and he didn't blitz him.

Chojuro & Kurotsuchi both evade him with ease in the novelization and Kinshiki was completely focused on them.

The starting distance could be 1 ft and Kinshiki still wouldn't blitz Hashirama. Not really sure why people are acting like it's the end of the world if Sasuke can't blitz everyone.
 
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Kinshiki has pretty terrifying raw power (casually cut down the Shinju and several of the mountains nearby, didn't even need to touch these, IDK) and the likes.

It all boils down to "can a Shinju-cutting attack defeat the wood Buddha" honestly. But in CQC and without both, Hashirama could take it, he has the same strength, probably more (SM users like Naruto can send giant rhinos flying or lift pretty large rocks) but he's also got that sweet precog, regeneration and the likes.

Then again, most of the god tiers fights resume to "PS/SS" and the likes so, heh.
 

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Well even if that's a clone, tobirama was'nt a clone, and madara said tobirama was once hailed to be the fastest shinobi, and he still got blitzed (it happened so fast that neither naruto nor minato saw it happen), and juubito is inferior to sasuke (who got pressured by kinshiki), if it was a 2 vs 1 that is chojuro and kurotsuki vs kinshiki (kinshiki with full concentration and no surprise attacks) kinshiki will blitz chojuro then proceed to blitz kurotsuchi
Tobirama never was blitzed. He managed to tag Juubito at the last second because Juubito didn't even notice it and that was done with precise timing.

Though regardless, if Kinshiki is on par with Adult Rikudou Sasuke's speed, then there's no way the Gokage can react. Gaara literally stated that 7th Gate Gai's speed was inhuman which was similar to his comment towards 4G/5G Lee who blitzed him multiple times and 7th Gate Gai is substantially slower than Rikudou Sasuke.

Doesn't make sense, but either the Gokage improved substantially or it's PnJ. I would like to say it's the former considering the massive improvements Lee made. The War Arc alone had people making substantial improvements (quick examples being Sai and Kakashi) and this movie took place like a decade after VoTE2 (I'm assuming), so the Gokage being substantially stronger isn't unlikely.
 

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Tobirama physically reacted to Obito by tagging him, which means that he can easily mentally react with Hiraishin if he wanted to.


Ten Tails Obito is not slower than Sasuke. :lol

You do realize that Chojuro & Kurotsuchi confronted Kinshiki before Sasuke interfered in the movie, right? He fought Chojuro 1v1 very briefly with neither Sasuke or Kurotsuchi and he didn't blitz him.

Chojuro & Kurotsuchi both evade him with ease in the novelization and Kinshiki was completely focused on them.

The starting distance could be 1 ft and Kinshiki still wouldn't blitz Hashirama. Not really sure why people are acting like it's the end of the world if Sasuke can't blitz everyone.
Okay I agree hashi can react, but I dont think chojuro or kurotsuki can, and whatever you are going to say, I aint buying that
 

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Doesn't make sense, but either the Gokage improved substantially or it's PnJ.
More like Kinshiki never actually tried to blitz anyone, he only used his top speed when against Sasuke in the beginning of the movie. It's exactly why it seemed like he was matching the Kage with the exact same speed they were using, as he only went for standard attacks and was countered every step of the way. Where was the Shunshin that looked like crimson lightning, huh? Where was the speed that actually looked fast? I guess Kinshiki doesn't have a mountain cutter that could've one-shotted the Kages, because he didn't use it until after he was actually pushed to use it... oh, wait. :rolleyes:

Lmfao at that guy saying Adult RSM Naruto can MAYBE blitz a Kage if he caught one off-guard, when Teen RSM Naruto blitzed weakened Kaguya, who is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of those nobodies. Even if you assume Adult Naruto is weaker than teen (which he isn't), the difference has to be bigger than the difference between Kaguya and fuсking Choujiro. :lol I've no words for this idiocy, he has some serious issues when it comes to Rikudou characters.

OT: Hashirama murks unless the distance is low enough that would allow for a blitz, and he doesn't start in a construct, or in SM (not sure if Adult Sasuke/Kinshiki can blitz SM Hashirama with a Shunshin). If he starts with Mokujin or SS, Kinshiki eventually gets pasted.
 

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More like Kinshiki never actually tried to blitz anyone, he only used his top speed when against Sasuke in the beginning of the movie. It's exactly why it seemed like he was matching the Kage with the exact same speed they were using, as he only went for standard attacks and was countered every step of the way. Where was the Shunshin that looked like crimson lightning, huh? Where was the speed that actually looked fast? I guess Kinshiki doesn't have a mountain cutter that could've one-shotted the Kages, because he didn't use it until after he was actually pushed to use it... oh, wait. :rolleyes:
So Kinshiki felt bad for the Kage and wanted to show them mercy? Ok then :lol

His mountain-cutter didn't one shot anyone even when he did use it. The shockwave pushed everyone back without seriously harming anyone. It's in no way more convenient a weapon to use in CQC than his axe & club.
It simply has a greater AOE via the shockwave created through a wide swing.

Lightning doesn't need to be visible, because it wasn't there for Sasuke either when he fought Momoshiki.
Lmfao at that guy saying Adult RSM Naruto can MAYBE blitz a Kage if he caught one off-guard, when Teen RSM Naruto blitzed weakened Kaguya, who is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of those nobodies. Even if you assume Adult Naruto is weaker than teen (which he isn't), the difference has to be bigger than the difference between Kaguya and fuсking Choujiro. :lol I've no words for this idiocy, he has some serious issues when it comes to Rikudou characters.
Naruto never blitzed Kaguya when she was focused on him.
He needed Sasuke's distraction to hit the same Kaguya that he supposedly "blitzed" moments earlier. Naruto can't blitz Kaguya in combat.

Yes, he can blitz a Kage if he catches them off-guard. The same Naruto that couldn't blitz Shin & capture him even though he had every intention of doing so.

No, I dont have issues with these characters. I just have common sense.
If you think that Naruto/Sasuke having everyones head rolling on the floor before they can blink is realistically what the author is portraying & is what would happen with him writing the fights that they are in, then there is nothing more to be said here.
 
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So Kinshiki felt bad for the Kage and wanted to show them mercy? Ok then :lol

His mountain-cutter didn't one shot anyone even when he did use it. The shockwave pushed everyone back without seriously harming anyone. It's in no way more convenient a weapon to use in CQC than his axe & club.
It simply has a greater AOE via the shockwave created through a wide swing.

Lightning doesn't need to be visible, because it wasn't there for Sasuke either when he fought Momoshiki.

Naruto never blitzed Kaguya when she was focused on him.
He needed Sasuke's distraction to hit the same Kaguya that he supposedly "blitzed" moments earlier. Naruto can't blitz Kaguya in combat.

Yes, he can blitz a Kage if he catches them off-guard. The same Naruto that couldn't blitz Shin & capture him even though he had every intention of doing so.

No, I dont have issues with these characters. I just have common sense.
If you think that Naruto/Sasuke having everyones head rolling on the floor before they can blink is realistically what the author is portraying & is what would happen with him writing the fights that they are in, then there is nothing more to be said here.
While I agree naruto only managed to blitz kaguya while she was distracted, naruto is capable of blitzing any kage at will and all the top tiers from kaguya, juudara, sasuke, naruto, momoshiki, kinshiki, juubito, toneri, dms kakashi will all blitz the current gokage, naruto is f*cking relatavistic+ with LS+ reaction speed ( dodged a point blank LS attack)
 
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kishi gimped the top tiers so that the kages could help out in the fight.

If Hashirama were in the boruto film, he might get gimped as well. By hype, kinshiki is far above hashi though.

Naruto never blitzed Kaguya when she was focused on him.
He needed Sasuke's distraction to hit the same Kaguya that he supposedly "blitzed" moments earlier. Naruto can't blitz Kaguya in combat.
Kaguya was focused on him, she was looking right at him and black zetsu was talking to him.
Naruto only needed Sasuke's distraction in order to land the 9 rasenshuriken on him because they require prep and don't travel as fast as his shunshin.
 
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kishi gimped the top tiers so that the kages could help out in the fight.

If Hashirama were in the boruto film, he might get gimped as well. By hype, kinshiki is far above hashi though.


Kaguya was focused on him, she was looking right at him and black zetsu was talking to him.
Naruto only needed Sasuke's distraction in order to land the 9 rasenshuriken on him because they require prep and don't travel as fast as his shunshin.
Prove that she was looking at him. The only one out of the 2 paying him any mind was Black Zetsu. Kaguya was fighting Sasuke yet the only 2 that were shown looking in Naruto's direction when Obito died were Black Zetsu & Sasuke.

Yes, you need to prove that Naruto can straight up blitz somebody that he openly admitted to needing a distraction or trickery to land hits on.
 
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