Is Kakashi the weakest Hokage ever?

[Avani 👑]

I would have liked Kishi to have shown us how he would have fought without the sharingan. I know that the power is not the issue, But still one wonders how Kakashi would fight without having what he was known for.

He became Jounin without sharingan so he can fight without it. And he has a lot of battle experience for strategies. Chidori in however less effective without sharingan.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

He became Jounin without sharingan so he can fight without it. And he has a lot of battle experience for strategies. Chidori in however less effective without sharingan.

I know he can fight without it. But the last time we saw him do that was when he was a kid. Now he is a grown adult who is capable of doing many jutsues. I would like to see where he goes from here.

 

[Avani 👑]

I know he can fight without it. But the last time we saw him do that was when he was a kid. Now he is a grown adult who is capable of doing many jutsues. I would like to see where he goes from here.

Probably the same way he fought with Kakuzu. lol He used chidori on him but from the back...and as a surprise - not much time to dodge.

 

[KingHashirama]

Probably the same way he fought with Kakuzu. lol He used chidori on him but from the back...and as a surprise - not much time to dodge.

had the sharingan.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

had the sharingan.

I was gonna say this. lol

 

[KingHashirama]

I was gonna say this. lol

i couldn'tt resist XD, ok you 2 back to discussing!

 

[BLAZE]

Probably the same way he fought with Kakuzu. lol He used chidori on him but from the back...and as a surprise - not much time to dodge.

He had sharingan then


though Sasky used chidori at his almost blind stage against naruto at samurai bridge

 

[Avani 👑]

I was gonna say this. lol

I was referring to other skills he showed including using different elements etc.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I was referring to other skills he showed including using different elements etc.

Oh I thought you were talking about the taijutsue fight. Well yeah maybe.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Like I stated in a earlier post in this thread, Minato's warning to Kakashi about using the technique was about the speed of the technique; not allowing him the time to react, but that only applies when he's rushing an opponent with the attack. There are numerous uses for raikiri that don't involve him having to rush his opponent.

he won't switch to a clone based fighting style, due to the fact people Minato didn't even do it. And their reserves are much better than base Kakashi. That fighting style is basically reserved for those who atleast have Naruto's level of chakra.

Plus, if you think about his role as Hokage really doesn't require him to be the strongest or w.e. Since they do have the big boy Naruto, and the former Hokage Tsunade. So I would also highly doubt he did major training to reform his style. Even his taijutsu is not longer on that high of a level anymore, due to his loss of sharingan pre-cog.

He wouldn't be switching to a clone based fighting style..his fighting style already was a clone based fighting style prior to the war-arc where Kishi threw everything out the window and had him spam Kamui at everything.

Kakashi uses/used clones so much in fighting, it's what he became known for among his comrades:

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But Chouza also stated the problem with Kakashi using that fighting style with the sharingan:

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My wording in my post wasn't the greatest(as a matter of fact it was pretty piss poor), but what I was trying to point out was how much easier Kakashi's fighting style had become with the loss of the sharingan. His chakra reserves in the war-arc were absolutely ridiculous, and they're only going to be even greater now. He accomplished all of this prior to receiving any chakra from Kurama(ignore the sassy deal with it image in the middle, but using this image is much easier than typing out everything he did):

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One thing that does not change about Kakashi post-sharingan is his mind. Allowing clones to fight for him and figure out his opponents abilities allows him to develop a strategy to defeat whoever he's up against.

Also, in regards to his taijutsu, while no, it's not going to be as good as it was without his sharingan, he was still beating Gai(who we can assume was pretty much Lee version 1 in terms of all he did was focus on taijutsu) when he was younger, showing great ability in taijutsu:

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But like you said, all this stuff is assuming Kakashi even bothered with training much without his sharingan. Naruto would destroy anyone who would threaten the village in less than a second, so it would have been by no means necessary, but this is just making conversation IF Kakashi were to continue training as hokage/without his sharingan.

 

[Char Aznable]

The 3rd and 4th Raikage are able to use jutsu similar to Kakashi's raikiri. Kakashi should still be able to safely use his jutsu.

 

[Avani 👑]

Oh I thought you were talking about the taijutsue fight. Well yeah maybe.

Kakashi is highly proficient in nature transformations, being one of few shinobi to learn all five elements and likewise learn the unique chakra nature transformations of Yin Release and Yang Release.[4] He has a natural affinity for Lightning Release,[90] which he mastered before even becoming a jōnin. It became so advanced that it is an attribute enemy ninja identify him by.[91] His prowess with Water Release can match specialists like Zabuza[92] and he can perform these techniques without a nearby water source.[93] In the anime, he could likewise produce a vision impairing thick mist, able to negate most genjutsu while also himself could effectively manoeuvre through.[94] His Earth Release prowess lets him move fast and unnoticed underground or quickly produce large and intricate earthen walls.[95] He showed similar proficiency to this element while still a child.[96] In the anime, he has also shown considerable skill in Fire Release, able to produce a massive fireball able to cause much damage to the area.[97] In addition, he is knowledgeable enough to train others in Wind Release.

He was not that good with wind back then and had told Naruto to ask Asuma's help for finer skills. But I guess he can train himself better if need be.

Anyway my point was he is not that bad without a sharingan as some make him look. And he is one of the only 4 people who were not affected by chakra draining cacoon of Moon eye plan. Look how old Iruka looks in chapter 700. Seems like one of the worst cases of among those who were drained by Madara and Kaguya for more chakra while thinking they were having nice dreams.

 

[EliteKakashi]

The 3rd and 4th Raikage are able to use jutsu similar to Kakashi's raikiri. Kakashi should still be able to safely use his jutsu.

Not quite. Raiton Chakra Mode actually helps to speed up the user's reaction time. Raikiri does nothing to the user's nervous system like chakra mode does, it's simply a blade made of raiton chakra.

 

[BLAZE]

The 3rd and 4th Raikage are able to use jutsu similar to Kakashi's raikiri. Kakashi should still be able to safely use his jutsu.

According to the novel no (.__.)

 

[Ambivalence]

Yeah, he is the weakest, but so what? After the war ended with the supreme evil being defeated, peace has ensued in the Narutoverse, so strength hardly matters. In fact, it probably took Kakashi's leadership and negotiating skills to arrange the uniting of the Shinobi nation and help to prosper the villages' growth and technological advancement. Kakashi is exactly the kind of leader you want in peaceful times - someone with a head on their shoulders, responsible and up for the task.

He's also still high-Jounin, with numerous cool moves like Raikiri, Lightning clone, Lightning string. He also used a kunai tied to a rope in like the last part of the manga, where Kaguya, Naruto and Sasuke hardly seemed like ninjas with the way they fought.

He's also the only Hokage that didn't screw something up, even if it is due to lack of screentime.

Do the people in NB really care solely about power?

 

[EliteKakashi]

According to the novel no (.__.)

While his statement is incorrect for other reasons, I would just ignore the novel. Seems to me the person writing the novel hasn't actually bothered much with learning the back story of Raikiri or done much research on Kakashi's many uses of the technique throughout the manga.

I was somewhat intrigued by a novel about Kakashi originally, but with the first few pages already having a pretty large flaw in it, it doesn't give me much hope for the rest of it.

 

[Avani 👑]

According to the novel no (.__.)

He is just mourning that his 'original' tech became mostly useless. Losing sharingan shouldn't make him lose his natural elemental affinity.

He would need to work on the elemental techs like Hiruzen did, instead of being lazy.

 

[EliteKakashi]

He is just mourning that his 'original' tech became mostly useless. Losing sharingan shouldn't make him lose his natural elemental affinity.

The novel actually does apparently have him stating he can no longer use the technique due to the loss of the sharingan:

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Again, the novel writer seems to have done little to no research on the use of raikiri throughout the manga, or read what Minato's warning to Kakashi actually was about using the technique.

Obviously, he won't lose his affinity over that. But it does bring in to question what variants this novel writer will allow Kakashi to use.

 

[Conspirator.]

Yeah, he is the weakest, but so what? After the war ended with the supreme evil being defeated, peace has ensued in the Narutoverse, so strength hardly matters. In fact, it probably took Kakashi's leadership and negotiating skills to arrange the uniting of the Shinobi nation and help to prosper the villages' growth and technological advancement. Kakashi is exactly the kind of leader you want in peaceful times - someone with a head on their shoulders, responsible and up for the task.

He's also still high-Jounin, with numerous cool moves like Raikiri, Lightning clone, Lightning string. He also used a kunai tied to a rope in like the last part of the manga, where Kaguya, Naruto and Sasuke hardly seemed like ninjas with the way they fought.

He's also the only Hokage that didn't screw something up, even if it is due to lack of screentime.

Do the people in NB really care solely about power?

This is true on a thousand levels.

 

[legarcon]

the weakest yes yet he´s got the best feat out of all 6 hokages which is sealing kaguya and ending war