Is Kabuto's Sage Mode incomplete compared to Mitsuki's Sage Mode?

[Bakura]

Kabuto trained at Ryuchi Cave cultivated DNA from the Sound 4, Kimimaro, Juugo, Suigetsu, Karin and Orochimaru himself and yet Mitsuki's Sage Mode looks totally different why is that?

 

[The Necromancer]

It most likely is.

Naruto's sage mode was said to be complete as evidenced by his lack of physical changes. Kabuto had physical changes. Mitsuki did not.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Yes

also Kabuto claimed he surpassed Orochi but Orochi made a more pure form with Mitsuki

it is like Naruto's sage mode and Jiriya's

 

[Bakura]

It most likely is.

Naruto's sage mode was said to be complete as evidenced by his lack of physical changes. Kabuto had physical changes. Mitsuki did not.

Jiraiya had the same problem also but what i dont get is that Mitsuki activated SM in a somewhat emotional state is that what couldve triggered this transformation to be perfect?

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Jiraiya had the same problem also but what i dont get is that Mitsuki activated SM in a somewhat emotional state is that what couldve triggered this transformation to be perfect?

idk we learnt as well in that one shot that Mitsuki was able to use other abilities from the get go due to his DNA

like barrier breaking, etc...

his body knew it... it just had to use it via instincts compared to those that learnt it

 

[Genocide]

not sure but wasnt it stated he was teh closest to the so6p

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

not sure but wasnt it stated he was teh closest to the so6p

Self-proclaimed SO6P though.

It's fully possible as mitsuki's SM looks different. It doesn't really make sense though because Kabuto was pulling off insane Sage techniques and was literally one with the Earth. Hard to see how Mitsuki could top that usage of SM.

 

[DrProof]

Did you guys not read Kabuto's dialogue? He ascended from a Snake, to a Dragon. Dragon > Snake > Imperfect Snake.

 

[Bakura]

Did you guys not read Kabuto's dialogue? He ascended from a Snake, to a Dragon. Dragon > Snake > Imperfect Snake.

But in all seriousnes wasnt Kabuto boasting about his power? It all couldve been said out of arrogance

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

But in all seriousnes wasnt Kabuto boasting about his power? It all couldve been said out of arrogance

It's difficult to judge, could be a genuine upgrade, could be dramatic hyperbole.

"Leading him to state that he had metaphorically transcended from a "snake" to a "dragon". -Naruto Wiki

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See, it wasn't just arrogance with Kabuto but genuine psychological delusion of grandeur so I prefer your take. But on the other hand, the 'Dragon' sage mode was a term he used when he grew the horns. This might not be a feature of Snake Sage Mode and a genuine furthering of his power above Snake SM that he named.

There's very little we know about the vague rules and inconsistent sources of Sage Mode actually, considering characters like Mitsuki and Hashirama exist.

 

[NextGenNinja]

Probably, who knows what oro did that resulted in mitsuki acquiring that form. It's like some kind of enhanced DSM.

 

[DrProof]

But in all seriousnes wasnt Kabuto boasting about his power? It all couldve been said out of arrogance

It's difficult to judge, could be a genuine upgrade, could be dramatic hyperbole.

"Leading him to state that he had metaphorically transcended from a "snake" to a "dragon". -Naruto Wiki

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See, it wasn't just arrogance with Kabuto but genuine psychological delusion of grandeur so I prefer your take. But on the other hand, the 'Dragon' sage mode was a term he used when he grew the horns. This might not be a feature of Snake Sage Mode and a genuine furthering of his power above Snake SM that he named.

There's very little we know about the vague rules and inconsistent sources of Sage Mode actually, considering characters like Mitsuki and Hashirama exist.

I'd like to first say, Dragon Sage Mode is a title created by Kabuto for himself, and his altered form. It's really just called SM, or Snake SM. But here's the thing, I don't think it was arrogance, I think it was the total, and complete truth. Look here, during Mitsuki's first use he only possesses one horn:

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However, Kabuto himself possesses four:

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Snake SM allows its users to grow a horn(s):

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The horned serpent symbol sometimes represented life and the renewal of life, just like water. Water just happened to be Kabuto's main affinity? Probably not.

Most dragons in Chinese/Japanese mythology are depicted as serpentine creatures that are quadrupeds (four legs and wingless). For example, most famously known dragons in those selected mythologies have 2, or more horns:

Ryujin:

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Kunisada dragon:

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Mizuchi, a river-god dragon:

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If you just read on Dragons even in Buddhist religion, you'll see most of their dragons have horns.

Oh, and let's not forget his tail. Four horns - A tail - Water natured - Assertion that he transitioned from a Snake to a Dragon - Mocking Sasuke that the proficiency snake expert couldn't even notice the difference. When you put all that together, I mean honestly it makes the most sense for him to have actually transitioned past simple Snake SM.

Here's how I see it: Dragon SM = Perfect Snake SM - 2+ horns > Imperfect Snake SM - 1 horn.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I'd like to first say, Dragon Sage Mode is a title created by Kabuto for himself, and his altered form. It's really just called SM, or Snake SM. But here's the thing, I don't think it was arrogance, I think it was the total, and complete truth. Look here, during Mitsuki's first use he only possesses one horn:

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However, Kabuto himself possesses four:

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Snake SM allows its users to grow a horn(s):

Spoiler

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The horned serpent symbol sometimes represented life and the renewal of life, just like water. Water just happened to be Kabuto's main affinity? Probably not.

Most dragons in Chinese/Japanese mythology are depicted as serpentine creatures that are quadrupeds (four legs and wingless). For example, most famously known dragons in those selected mythologies have 2, or more horns:

Ryujin:

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Kunisada dragon:

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Mizuchi, a river-god dragon:

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If you just read on Dragons even in Buddhist religion, you'll see most of their dragons have horns.

Oh, and let's not forget his tail. Four horns - A tail - Water natured - Assertion that he transitioned from a Snake to a Dragon - Mocking Sasuke that the proficiency snake expert couldn't even notice the difference. When you put all that together, I mean honestly it makes the most sense for him to have actually transitioned past simple Snake SM.

Here's how I see it: Dragon SM = Perfect Snake SM - 2+ horns > Imperfect Snake SM - 1 horn.

The amount of digging us fans have to do to explain basic powers in the Naruto world :')

But yeah, this is a good analysis- thought I doubt Kishimoto put as much thought into Mitsuki's design or abilities, the horn is a give-away.

I know i'm not being the best Kabuto fanboy by saying this but I still think Mitsuki may have a greater form of it. Mitsuki's singular horn could just as easily be tied to his age than mastery over the Mode. It makes no sense for Mitsuki to have ANY mastery over a power he didn't know he had, so even 1 horn is a big ? for him.

 

[DrProof]

The amount of digging us fans have to do to explain basic powers in the Naruto world :')

But yeah, this is a good analysis- thought I doubt Kishimoto put as much thought into Mitsuki's design or abilities, the horn is a give-away.

I know i'm not being the best Kabuto fanboy by saying this but I still think Mitsuki may have a greater form of it. Mitsuki's singular horn could just as easily be tied to his age than mastery over the Mode. It makes no sense for Mitsuki to have ANY mastery over a power he didn't know he had, so even 1 horn is a big ? for him.

That's why I believe it's imperfect Snake SM. As you stated, there's no reason for Mitsuki to have any type of mastery over a newfound power, that in itself hints to an imperfect version, as Naruto had to train for perfect SM, and Jiraiya even through training had only been capable of performing an imperfect SM.

We know for a fact Mitsuki has the body to become a perfect Snake SM user, but his sudden usage of it (basically like Jugo's clan ability to just enter Sage Transformations - they're technically imperfect sages). So I believe that one horn simply is the result of imperfectness, and 2+ is the sign of perfect. Truthfully I actually thing more than 2 (4 as Kabuto has) is actually a higher form of Perfect Snake SM, but I've not dug enough information on the matter.