[Discussion] Is joining the military good?
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nefraiko
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Benefits : discipline, power, respect of the other members of the nation (I protect you so kiss my ass hole)
Cons : you get a lot of mental disorders (patriotism, greatest ego, you can besome sadistic,...the list is so long)
I can never join an organisation that will make me give my life for a cause I don't even know, for interests I don't even know
I join only if it is by force, and even then I will find a way to not fight, and to keep my mind free
edit : I forgot to say that you get the highest quality of the BRAIIIINWASH their is on this earth right into your BRAIIIIN
Cons : you get a lot of mental disorders (patriotism, greatest ego, you can besome sadistic,...the list is so long)
I can never join an organisation that will make me give my life for a cause I don't even know, for interests I don't even know
I join only if it is by force, and even then I will find a way to not fight, and to keep my mind free
edit : I forgot to say that you get the highest quality of the BRAIIIINWASH their is on this earth right into your BRAIIIIN
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Depends which one ,'; )
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well you could join the navy and work on a air craft carrier you get your own room you get to travel to places like Italy and Bermuda umm for cons your at sea a lot and your never in the same place more then a few days
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No pros. You'd have to be an idiot to believe your country is up to any good.
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i kind of wish i didn't join. not my cup of tea.
I can't speak for all the branches but from what i know from the Army...
Pros (and my reasons):
- There is still very good health care available. College funds (tho not readily available as we commonly believe) is still a perk.
- You'll always have a job as long as you're in that's pretty hard to get fired from (or quit). And the wage is decent for someone with not a lot of experience.
- They'll keep you in decent physical shape if you're active duty and you'll have a pretty good reason to stay in decent shape if you're reserves.
- Chicks dig the uniform
- You make some good friends and people you can count on later in life
- Early retirement. 20yrs for active and i think 30 for reserves. After that time, you get a check a month forever.
- You get to fire off several kinds of weapons but mainly an AR even if you don't see combat (if that's your thing)
- Military discount at lots of retail, restaurants, cell phone companies etc. (it's usually only enough to take off tax but i like to save a buck whenever i can)
- Housing assistance is not too shabby
- Spouse and dependants can benefit from housing assistance, tuition assistance(i think) and healthcare
Cons:
- You have to work with ALOT of jackasses. If you don't have high patiences and you're easily annoyed this will test you.
- Early wake ups and long days.
- You're schedule is not optional nor is it set in stone. It's subject to change at the drop of a hat and you must comply.
- If you don't like you're MOS(job) too bad. Go back to basic training for roughly a year to reclass (IF the let you) or nut up.
- During training, no flirting, no ***, no alcohol (ever), and you can't go anywhere alone. [massive pain in the ass.]
- If you already make decent pay at home (about 14$/hr+) then army is going to be a wage decrease for you.
- 75% of the time you're not doing the "cool" stuff you see in commercials. You spend a ton of time washing dishes, mopping floors, vehicle maintenance, guarding a gate or hallway etc, etc.. (and yes that's even if you deploy)
- The whole experience is just designed to be uncomfortable. Period. everything from the uniform, to the wake-up time, what you do throughout the day... etc. If you know you're a complainer and you can't make the best out of being perpetually uncomfortable.. you probably shouldn't join.
Edit: Also people say you get patriotism, disciple, and other virtues and character attributes. This is false. No one can give you these things... you either have them or you don't. It's up to you if you want to mature and make these part of your personality. However, i can tell you if you don't at least pretend to be discipled, they will make life so much harder for you. But a lot of my army peers do give a sh^t so... yolo i guess.
I was raised well so being respectful and disciplined isn't a problem at all for me. I've never been very patriotic, and never will be. I like USA .. but if someone pissed on the flag in front of me; i'd feel nothing.
I hear Air force is much lighter in terms of difficulty... so if you gotta join but you want as least hardcore as possible go there.
Navy is more or less equivalent to Army except their training phase is a bit easier
Marines is most challenging.
I can't speak for all the branches but from what i know from the Army...
Pros (and my reasons):
- There is still very good health care available. College funds (tho not readily available as we commonly believe) is still a perk.
- You'll always have a job as long as you're in that's pretty hard to get fired from (or quit). And the wage is decent for someone with not a lot of experience.
- They'll keep you in decent physical shape if you're active duty and you'll have a pretty good reason to stay in decent shape if you're reserves.
- Chicks dig the uniform
- You make some good friends and people you can count on later in life
- Early retirement. 20yrs for active and i think 30 for reserves. After that time, you get a check a month forever.
- You get to fire off several kinds of weapons but mainly an AR even if you don't see combat (if that's your thing)
- Military discount at lots of retail, restaurants, cell phone companies etc. (it's usually only enough to take off tax but i like to save a buck whenever i can)
- Housing assistance is not too shabby
- Spouse and dependants can benefit from housing assistance, tuition assistance(i think) and healthcare
Cons:
- You have to work with ALOT of jackasses. If you don't have high patiences and you're easily annoyed this will test you.
- Early wake ups and long days.
- You're schedule is not optional nor is it set in stone. It's subject to change at the drop of a hat and you must comply.
- If you don't like you're MOS(job) too bad. Go back to basic training for roughly a year to reclass (IF the let you) or nut up.
- During training, no flirting, no ***, no alcohol (ever), and you can't go anywhere alone. [massive pain in the ass.]
- If you already make decent pay at home (about 14$/hr+) then army is going to be a wage decrease for you.
- 75% of the time you're not doing the "cool" stuff you see in commercials. You spend a ton of time washing dishes, mopping floors, vehicle maintenance, guarding a gate or hallway etc, etc.. (and yes that's even if you deploy)
- The whole experience is just designed to be uncomfortable. Period. everything from the uniform, to the wake-up time, what you do throughout the day... etc. If you know you're a complainer and you can't make the best out of being perpetually uncomfortable.. you probably shouldn't join.
Edit: Also people say you get patriotism, disciple, and other virtues and character attributes. This is false. No one can give you these things... you either have them or you don't. It's up to you if you want to mature and make these part of your personality. However, i can tell you if you don't at least pretend to be discipled, they will make life so much harder for you. But a lot of my army peers do give a sh^t so... yolo i guess.
I was raised well so being respectful and disciplined isn't a problem at all for me. I've never been very patriotic, and never will be. I like USA .. but if someone pissed on the flag in front of me; i'd feel nothing.
I hear Air force is much lighter in terms of difficulty... so if you gotta join but you want as least hardcore as possible go there.
Navy is more or less equivalent to Army except their training phase is a bit easier
Marines is most challenging.
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Being proud of where you come from isn't a mental disorder.
Sympathy for anyone but your own is
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I can't give you any personal insight because I'm not in yet but, it's all up to you. No one can make the choice for you. As Banginji said the air force is probably the least difficult but the hardest to get into. You're going to need to have some brains for them to even schedule you for a follow up interview(With the recruiter). Even if you get a follow up you'll want to score well on the asvab or you'll be stuck with half a page of jobs that you don't want.
Again, no one can make the decision for you. No one can tell you the military is a good place to be because everyone is different and everyone has different experiences. The best advice I can give you is to first select the branch you want. Then select what form of duty you want to do, active or reserves. Look up as much information you can about it and see if it will be a good experience for you. If you're still seriously considering it, look up the nearest recruiter in your area and let them know you're interested and try to set up a meeting. If you're not feeling it after the meeting you never have to see them again. Find the information for yourself and don't let people sway your mind either way.
Again, no one can make the decision for you. No one can tell you the military is a good place to be because everyone is different and everyone has different experiences. The best advice I can give you is to first select the branch you want. Then select what form of duty you want to do, active or reserves. Look up as much information you can about it and see if it will be a good experience for you. If you're still seriously considering it, look up the nearest recruiter in your area and let them know you're interested and try to set up a meeting. If you're not feeling it after the meeting you never have to see them again. Find the information for yourself and don't let people sway your mind either way.
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It used to be that you really couldn't do too much harm by doing a standard 4/2/2 enlistment.
Stable pay with low expenses. Unless you're an idiot, you can build a fairly sound financial platform for yourself to branch out from, later. You can learn some pretty valuable trade skills in the military, and can pick up on some valuable management and work ethic lessons. It can also help in giving yourself a sense of individual authority and competence - of owning the area around you and being responsible for it.
Kind of the same as above. Depending upon what you end up doing, you can travel quite a bit and see a lot of places that most people only ever year about. I've been to Korea - I've been inside the buildings at the DMZ, seen Japan's Narita airport, spent some time in the UAE and have been in the Mall of The Emirates, as well as the Mall of Dubai. I've been all over the United States....
There is a micro-political structure that develops and there are an increasing number of areas where promotion is not based upon how well you do your job, but whose desk you're spending time under. This got really bad under Obama and is one of the main reasons I opted not to re-enlist. That, combined with our foreign policy basically changing to side with the islamic extremists and bring about the Caliphate - I honestly think the military needs to be bombing DC right about now.
Of course - most of the higher level officers have been replaced with ****-jockies who are begging for their ass to be torn by this administration. Most of them deserve nothing short of the death penalty, but are in charge of strategic policy - so good luck with that.