Is Itachi the Second Strongest Konoha Shinobi ever?

[Turson]

He didn't want to kill them. He was talking to naruto.

So? Kabuto was controlling him, he was talking and fighting at the same time.
"What? That was finger genjutsu."
And? Naruto knows that he cant look into Sharingan.

"Also, Sasuke only broke it because he's an uchiha with a sharingan."
Well, Killer Bee is no Uchiha, and yet he was able to break free from Sasukes MS Genjutsu. You have to be Uchiha with Sharingan in order to break Tsikuyomi, not standard 3t Genjutsu.

"How is kurama helping him?"
He would just give some chakra to Naruto. Isnt it obvious?

"Kurama was help as a lap dog by 2 uchiha."
Yeah, when he was alone. Now hes sealed into perfect Jinchuuriki. Note, that Obito and Madara didnt even bother to try to control him.

"He's going to do what? Look at his feet and get fingered again?"
Only to be freed by Kurama.

"What happens when naruto attacks an exploding kage bushin feint?"
Considering that KCM Naruto tanked Roshis lava... nothing.

"I said he isn't always. As in naruto has to shunshin to do that. Naruto isn't shunshin every single time he moves now is he?"
And? Fact is: he can use that speed.

"And itachi can activate susano'o fast enough to block a lightning bolt. What now?"
Well, Naruto can just make over ten of BM / KCM / SM clones and watch as they are destroying Itachi. Or he can go eat some ramen.

"Naruto's a genin."
Like ranks have any meaning now. Naruto is Genin, but hes still by far the most powerful shinobi of alliance, far stronger than any current Kage.

"Naruto needs kurama to even reach S class."
Not really. Hes Kage level shinobi with SM. Besides, at this point Kurama is just part of his power.

 

[iFlowMotion]

You nickname "iHateFanBoys" is ironic.

All Obito needs is just to touch Itachi and it's all over.
And good luck with Itachi using Susanoo for 5 minutes and wasting most of his chakra while Obito is just chilling. Really, by doing this Itachi would just make it easier for Obito, because he would exhaust himself.



Help from Tobi? Obito was kidding around for the whole time.



No.

I like itachi not a fanboy but if your going to say something make it correct. And besides sasuke who has ever hit itachi? don't worry ill wait..................that crow substitute just sayin itachi beats obito

 

[iFlowMotion]

Holy cow, sorry I debated you. I didn't know you were biased this much.

But just to make you wake up, a list of people that would definitely defeat Itachi:
-Hashirama
-Madara
-Obito
-Naruto
-Minato
-Nagato
-Danzo with KA

A list of people that would have at least some chances to defeat Itachi:
-Kakashi
-Guy
-EMS Sasuke
-A
-Bee
-Hiruzen
-Jirayia
...and a lot of other people I don't feel like recalling now

People that can beat itachi

Hashirama
Madara

anyone else......no......get over it

 

[AGoodBoy]

So? Kabuto was controlling him, he was talking and fighting at the same time.
"What? That was finger genjutsu."
And? Naruto knows that he cant look into Sharingan.

"Also, Sasuke only broke it because he's an uchiha with a sharingan."
Well, Killer Bee is no Uchiha, and yet he was able to break free from Sasukes MS Genjutsu. You have to be Uchiha with Sharingan in order to break Tsikuyomi, not standard 3t Genjutsu.

"How is kurama helping him?"
He would just give some chakra to Naruto. Isnt it obvious?

"Kurama was help as a lap dog by 2 uchiha."
Yeah, when he was alone. Now hes sealed into perfect Jinchuuriki. Note, that Obito and Madara didnt even bother to try to control him.

"He's going to do what? Look at his feet and get fingered again?"
Only to be freed by Kurama.

"What happens when naruto attacks an exploding kage bushin feint?"
Considering that KCM Naruto tanked Roshis lava... nothing.

"I said he isn't always. As in naruto has to shunshin to do that. Naruto isn't shunshin every single time he moves now is he?"
And? Fact is: he can use that speed.

"And itachi can activate susano'o fast enough to block a lightning bolt. What now?"
Well, Naruto can just make over ten of BM / KCM / SM clones and watch as they are destroying Itachi. Or he can go eat some ramen.

"Naruto's a genin."
Like ranks have any meaning now. Naruto is Genin, but hes still by far the most powerful shinobi of alliance, far stronger than any current Kage.

"Naruto needs kurama to even reach S class."
Not really. Hes Kage level shinobi with SM. Besides, at this point Kurama is just part of his power.

No one even reads my post to understand. They just rebute for the sake of trying to counter itachi's obviously devastating abilities.

 

[Turson]

No one even reads my post to understand. They just rebute for the sake of trying to counter itachi's obviously devastating abilities.

I do understand how dangerous Itachis abilities are, hes my favorite character in manga. Still, it doesnt mean he has to be the strongest for me. I know that Itachi very powerful shinobi, but I aknowledge the fact that there are guys who are much stronger than him. I dont like when someone overrates him, simply becuase it just cost his character more haters.

 

[AGoodBoy]

I do understand how dangerous Itachis abilities are, hes my favorite character in manga. Still, it doesnt mean he has to be the strongest for me. I know that Itachi very powerful shinobi, but I aknowledge the fact that there are guys who are much stronger than him. I dont like when someone overrates him, simply becuase it just cost his character more haters.

No one's overrating him, you just overlook everything i say and respond. I've even listed at least 6 people who beat him, but the thread is about KONOHA ninja who aren't ROGUE. Apart from hashi, and with a slight possibility naruto, no one else can. Naruto is the man character but just about all his wins have been plot. Based on the thread it's Hashi, itachi, naruto, etc... but based on kishi it'd be naruto > anything whenever he feels like. That doesn't mean naruto is the strongest shinobi out just because he does random things (like fart) to win a battle.

 

[Optimistic]

Naruto is stronger than Itachi.

 

[Turson]

Naruto is the man character but just about all his wins have been plot

That has nothing to do with his current overwhelming strenght.

No one's overrating him

You do it constanlty, by saying that he would win against Naruto 6 of 10 times.

No one's overrating him, you just overlook everything i say and respond..

What did I overlook?

 

[Optimistic]

Apart from hashi, and with a slight possibility naruto, no one else can.

Meaning this whole thread was a waste of time since Naruto is clearly stronger than Itachi(even Sasuke can beat him).

Naruto is the main character but just about all his wins have been plot.

Stupid and irrelevant post, the feats Naruto has shown can counter all of Itachi's moves.If using feats like him out speeding Ay who previously out sped Amaterasu then i guess that's plot too right?

Based on the thread it's Hashi, itachi, naruto, etc... but based on kishi it'd be naruto > anything whenever he feels like.

So Naruto >>>>> Itachi
Why did you say earlier that he barely beats him when Naruto is in a league of his own?

That doesn't mean naruto is the strongest shinobi out just because he does random things (like fart) to win a battle.

Since when was Naruto the strongest Shinboi? He's stronger than Itachi but not the strongest.

 

[AGoodBoy]

That has nothing to do with his current overwhelming strenght.

You do it constanlty, by saying that he would win against Naruto 6 of 10 times.

What did I overlook?

You act like naruto is some god.

5 minutes in SM before he's back to base.
8 minutes in BM before he's back to base.
So itachi is so weak that he'd get ROFLstomped in that short time? He won't be able to use bushin feints, genjutsu, susano'o, etc, to waste naruto's time?
You overrate naruto heavily. His overwhelming strength disappears constantly after a few minutes before he's back to chunnin levels. He has to sit and meditate to get into sm (ain't doing that during a fight) and has to wait a long time before he can get back into bm after it goes.

you overlook every single thing i say he just shoot back. Fact is you underrate itachi, and overrate naruto because he's the main character. Itachi has perfect skills in everything except for half the max stamina, but some how he isn't able to take on naruto when so many others can? please...

Meaning this whole thread was a waste of time since Naruto is clearly stronger than Itachi(even Sasuke can beat him).

Learn to read, i said slight possibility. 4/10 times he wins at best.

Stupid and irrelevant post, the feats Naruto has shown can counter all of Itachi's moves.If using feats like him out speeding Ay who previously out sped Amaterasu then i guess that's plot too right?

Lmfao. Can't see through exploding bushin feints.
Gets caught in genjutsu allowing itachi to get out his attack way and flank him. Gets caught by tsukuyomi.
Ay shushin dodged amaterasu, naruto didn't dodge it when itachi used it. Guess we're no longer following the manga right? When itachi used amaterasu and pains summons and naruto said "he missed?" before even being able to react.
Can't get through susano'o.
Has 8 minutes in BM before 10
+ minute cool down (he won't last against an S class opponent like this)
Has 5 minutes in SM before he loses it and gets HEAVILY exhausted.
His KM rasengan was dodged by muu who had his back turned to him.
etc. etc. etc. But i guess we don't look at that. We don't look at his draw backs. We see a bijuu dama and cream our pants. No wonder kishi started to put so many explosions in this manga, he knows that's what everyone equates power to.

So Naruto >>>>> Itachi
Why did you say earlier that he barely beats him when Naruto is in a league of his own?

Naruto is in no league of his own. His only league is plot league where he's able to defeat everyone from ton ton to sage of six paths if kishi sees fit. He can't beat hashi, madara, obito, nagato, itachi. Or do you want proof that he can't? Because both obito, nagato and itachi have shown that they're able to deck naruto.

Since when was Naruto the strongest Shinboi? He's stronger than Itachi but not the strongest.

4/10 times at best.
5 minutes in SM which he has to meditate in the first place to get in.
8 minutes of BM.
Those won't save him. His best bet is Km, and if he uses that, he can't use too many shadow clones, with each successive shadow clone weaker than the previous. genjutsu alone would probably make naruto kneel since it's done it so many times in the past - weak genjutsu at that.

 

[garas56]

well except itach i see
1.Kakashi
2.Jiraya
3.Orochimaru
4.Naruto
5.Sasuke
6.Guy
7.Obito
8.Tsunade
9.Hashirama
10.Hiruzen
11.Tobirama
12.Minato
13.Danzo
If i must put this in terms of power
1.Hashirama
2.Tobirama
3.Naruto
4.Sasuke
5.Obito
6.Kakashi/Itachi
7.Itachi/Kakashi
8.Minato
9.Orochimaru
10.Guy
11.Jiraya
12.Danzo
13.Hiruzen
14.Tsunade

 

[ILikeBigYolos]

Obito is stronger. Rinnegan technique+Edo Jins+ Kamui+Izanagi

 

[zamki]

Well,It is really hard to say like that but he is sure one of the strongest.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Without rouges.

1.Hashirama
2.Naruto
3.Minato/Itachi
4.Minato/Itachi
5.Shisui Uchiha
6.White fang
7.Jiraya
8.Tsunade
9.Hiruzen
10.kakashi/Guy

(tobirama's not included because of lack of info. a At least we knew Shisui was extremely fast and had KA)

 

[theTobiramaSenju]

What about:
naruto
madara
obito?
all above him

 

[Turson]

You act like naruto is some god.

Hes no god, Hashirama would pwn him, Obito would defeat him, EMS Madara is stronger than him. Naruto is just much stronger than Itachi, thats it.

5 minutes in SM before he's back to base.
8 minutes in BM before he's back to base.

Thats still longer than period of time in which Itachi can use Susanoo.

You overrate naruto heavily. His overwhelming strength disappears constantly after a few minutes before he's back to chunnin levels

Lol no, Naruto was using KCM for like 24h.

 

[Loverance]

I'm sorry but all of the previous hokages would beat him in their prime not to mention madara or obito

 

[Turson]

I'm sorry but all of the previous hokages would beat him in their prime not to mention madara or obito

Hashirama - sure, he would beat him.
Tobirama - hes almost featless, we cant tell.
Hiruzen - we only saw his performance when he was old. Grandpa Hiruzen would get owned by Itachi.
Minato - IMO they are pretty much equal.

Madara and Obito not counts, since we are talking about loyal Konoha shinobi.

 

[Ryuujinn]

lol no.


Itachi>>>>Naruto
Itachi>Minato
Itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sasuke

One TBB = Itachi's Death lol
Naruto >>>>>>> Itachi and kabuto