Is it me? or Madara vs team 7 would have made a way better fight!

[MrDuck]

Madara, while an awesome character, was used by Kaguya in the end. Get over it.

By the way, we're not even sure whether they'll succeed in sealing her next chapter. We also don't know how and if Kaguya will develop in the future. So stop making all these assumptions about her not being a good 'villain' until she's definitely gone.

 

[Limbo]

I don't get why people think Madara would have been better, Naruto and Sasuke were wiping the floor with him.

It would have been a short fight.

You mean the Madara with 1 Rinnegan that wasn't even focusing on them instead was focusing on getting his rinnegan back? Sure.

When Madara got his 2nd eye, he blasted away Nardo, sasky and sakura neg diff, he made them use their strongest attacks ( TBBFRS & PS ) when not when not even fighting them ( he was busy casting IT ) he then got the strongest eye and was stronger than ever, and even though he had already seen their full powers, he was confident that he could take them out.


Madara would've been much better and yoy know it.

 

[Ultimateone]

except the fact that madara was losing to both naruto and sasuke before naruto started getting really use to his powers. curent naruto and sasuke would have beat the shit out of madara as they were already doing.

 

[Limbo]

Madara, while an awesome character, was used by Kaguya in the end. Get over it.

By the way, we're not even sure whether they'll succeed in sealing her next chapter. We also don't know how and if Kaguya will develop in the future. So stop making all these assumptions about her not being a good 'villain' until she's definitely gone.

Kaguya didn't use shi7, BZ was the one who tricked Madara, not used and it was BZ, not Kaguya.

 

[MrDuck]

Kaguya didn't use shi7, BZ was the one who tricked Madara, not used and it was BZ, not Kaguya.

And whose will is Black Zetsu?

 

[saw2097]

You mean the Madara with 1 Rinnegan that wasn't even focusing on them instead was focusing on getting his rinnegan back? Sure.

When Madara got his 2nd eye, he blasted away Nardo, sasky and sakura neg diff, he made them use their strongest attacks ( TBBFRS & PS ) when not when not even fighting them ( he was busy casting IT ) he then got the strongest eye and was stronger than ever, and even though he had already seen their full powers, he was confident that he could take them out.


Madara would've been much better and yoy know it.

Yeah sure he was.

What did Madara do after he got his other Rinnengan, oh yeah he ran away from Naruto and Sasuke.

Kaguya slapped Sasuke's Susanoo aside and was able to penetrate both Sasuke's and Kakashi's Susanoo's.

Edit: And she spent a good amount of the fight trying to take them alive so she could drain them, she chucked their powerful attacks like they were nothing and they had to get creative to out smart her.

 

[Superior Jinchuriki]

Madara vs team 7
Madara matches both ps if sasukes and kakashis
And he has his limbo fought them off for awhile
The only godlike power kaguya has really shown was her traveling Jutsu and the infinite tsukoyomi
The point is
Madara had both rinnegan and the infinite rinnegan with his own sharingan
Kaguya has byakugan and infinite rinnegan and a crappier sharingan
He only thing that makes kaguya tough is her teleportation that's it
The fight between kaguya and team 7 won't be good until it's released in anime tbh

Madara can shift back too EMS. I never thought about that.

 

[WalksInShadows]

I don't get why people think Madara would have been better, Naruto and Sasuke were wiping the floor with him.

It would have been a short fight.

enough was done for Madara to consider them a viable threat w/o his other Rinnegan. There was no floor mopping being done anywhere in that chapter. Madara even managed to get off a shot on Naruto with the 1 eye he had. Idk why ppl like you exaggerate the events of that chapter. It's like you'd rather be ignorant than cognizant of the actual facts. By hype, there was no way in hell they were going to win against a Rikudou Madara with both Rinnegan barring a spectacularly obvious asspull. Even the story's staff knew this. That's why they had to get the guy out of the story pronto.

 

[saw2097]

Wow the Madara fans are sensitive, they still don't realize that Naruto and Sasuke were adjusting to their powers during that fight.

Naruto didn't even know he could fly yet and they still had the upper hand against Madara.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

I don't get why people think Madara would have been better, Naruto and Sasuke were wiping the floor with him.

It would have been a short fight.

actually it was pretty one sided on madara side when he got that dual rinnegan going so what are you saying?

 

[saw2097]

actually it was pretty one sided on madara side when he got that dual rinnegan going so what are you saying?

Oh really, then I ask again, why did he take off running once he got it.

Naruto and Sasuke were still adjusting to their powers and they were winning, Madara would have last only a little longer.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

except the fact that madara was losing to both naruto and sasuke before naruto started getting really use to his powers. curent naruto and sasuke would have beat the shit out of madara as they were already doing.

go re read chapters after he got his second rinnegan, and everything used against kaguya madara has a counter for, so what are you saying?

 

[WalksInShadows]

Wow the Madara fans are sensitive, they still don't realize that Naruto and Sasuke were adjusting to their powers during that fight.

Naruto didn't even know he could fly yet and they still had the upper hand against Madara.

"adjusting to their powers"? Sasuke hasn't been seen doing anything now that he hasn't already done against Madara. And Naruto wasn't even aware that he could float until Kaguya attempted to throw them in lava. Hype literally says Madara was invincible. Someone being able to simply float wasn't going to change their chances a lot, especially against someone with a couple of Kaguya's powers and souped up versions of the 6Ps. You sound awfully sure of yourself, considering there was a lot the readers didn't get to see from Madara once he got the other eye. That, coupled with the fact that he had Sasuke's Rinnegan completely figured out by the time he left for his other eye, it was game over for them.

 

[Torche]

I'm just gonna copy my post from another thread.

I'm a fan of Kaguya, but she has admittedly been an appalling villain, and has degraded the manga. I like that she doesn't talk and ramble as much as other villains, she is a strong female, and has a cool design. But, she doesn't seem too intelligent, and can't use her power's as well as other's can. I think that she should have just remained in flashbacks tbh.

 

[Torche]

Wow the Madara fans are sensitive, they still don't realize that Naruto and Sasuke were adjusting to their powers during that fight.

Naruto didn't even know he could fly yet and they still had the upper hand against Madara.

Madara was just adjusting to getting double Rinnegan back. Casually spamming mass Chibaku Tensei without breaking a sweat wasn't even a warm up.

 

[saw2097]

"adjusting to their powers"? Sasuke hasn't been seen doing anything now that he hasn't already done against Madara. And Naruto wasn't even aware that he could float until Kaguya attempted to throw them in lava. Hype literally says Madara was invincible. Someone being able to simply float wasn't going to change their chances a lot, especially against someone with a couple of Kaguya's powers and souped up versions of the 6Ps. You sound awfully sure of yourself, considering there was a lot the readers didn't get to see from Madara once he got the other eye.

Hype said Kaguya was invincible too, but that didn't stop Naruto and Sasuke from beating her.

She also could absorb chakra and had everything that Madara had and more.

If she couldn't stop the attacks then Madara couldn't either.

Clinging to the hype doesn't help your case, as Itachi was also hyped as invincible and yet he wasn't.

Edit: As was Pain actually, he was said to be invincible and yet he fell as well.

Just because he was your favorite villain doesn't mean he had powers that were greater then what we saw.

The truth is people hype Madara as greater then he actually was, because they didn't see him outright lose.

All he was, was a carbon copy of Obito with powers amped up. A team 7 vs Madara fight would have been no different from the battle against Obito, just with more explosions.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

notice how everything started going madara's side as soon as he got that second rinnegan he literally free casted IT and put team seven on they toes so i dont understand why some people are saying he woulda gotten whooped like NO re read those chapters please, team 7 hasnt shown nothing that woulda affected or touched madara so far so????

 

[aexayral]

This is all a result of Kishimoto's poor planning. He even stated himself that he "didn't know how to kill off Madara"; presumably, reviving Kaguya was his AWESOME solution.

Just a little bit of planning and insight could have saved us from the mess we're in right now.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Hype said Kaguya was invincible too, but that didn't stop Naruto and Sasuke from beating her.

where did it say Kaguya was invincible? Her children defeated her, and i only recall her being called immortal. You don't know if she is done for any more than anyone else. I remember a time where ppl thought plenty of other characters were done for simply because the end of a chapter made it look that way.

She also could absorb chakra and had everything that Madara had and more.

i don't recall her being seen/mentioned being a 6Ps jutsu user or a Limbo user. So you definitely don't know what you're talking about here.

If she couldn't stop the attacks then Madara couldn't either.

how do you know this? Using the list of Madara's abilities after becoming JJ, they don't share the exact same kind of abilities from top to bottom. And i already mentioned why. This is nothing more than pure speculation on your part.

Clinging to the hype doesn't help your case, as Itachi was also hyped as invincible and yet he wasn't.

i'm using what happened along with the hype. Trying to use Itachi isn't going to help your case as Itachi and Madara are 2 different things entirely. Madara has consistently backed up the hype that he's gotten and then some.

Edit: As was Pain actually, he was said to be invincible and yet he fell as well.

Nagato hyped himself up. Obito hyped Madara up as being invincible if he were to get the other eye. You can't even use your own logic properly.

Just because he was your favorite villain doesn't mean he had powers that were greater then what we saw.

dude, we as readers were only allowed to see so much because of what Madara's role in the story ultimately was. Get your head out of the sand.

The truth is people hype Madara as greater then he actually was, because they didn't see him outright lose.

this is your opinion. Why? Because Madara took on all comers the moment he was brought back by Kabuto. And ever since then, ppl who disliked him wanted to see him defeated at the hands of said opponent, and some have went so far as to predict they would be the one. Madara dropped folks regardless of their gender, power lvl, rank, or even species. There is no real way to make someone out to be greater than they actually was when they neg diff all 9 bijuu in actual combat.

All he was, was a carbon copy of Obito with powers amped up. A team 7 vs Madara fight would have been no different from the battle against Obito, just with more explosions.

words cannot possibly describe the ridiculousness of this alone. Either you are being extremely ignorant here, or you are intentionally going out of your way to be a troll. This doesn't even dignify a proper response as to why this statement is ignorant. And that's me being as kind as one can possibly be about this.

 

[Whiteknight]

Im so mad at kaguya right now! what type of "overwhelming" villian is she? feels like team 7 just playing hot potato with her right now, passing her around smacking it!

Madara in the other hand really showed god like powers, if it was madara in this chapter he wouldn't have gotten touched he woulda had limbo all over the place dropping meteors with his own susanoo out, it woulda been such a better fight!

Imagine three perfect susanos out while meteors is dropping in the background imagine if limbo madaras have their own susanoo too!!


im frustrated.. Opinions?

Kaguya has great power, but Madara was a legendary warrior. His mastery of his eyes and various other techniques was unrivaled. Madara would have and should have made a much better final boss. Kaguya has a few problems:

1) We still don't know what her motivations are. What does she want and why does she want it? We don't know all the details of exactly what Madara was hoping to accomplish after infinite tsukuyomi was cast, but we know much more about him than Kaguya.
2) The whole manga has been building up to the idea that Madara is this ultimate, legendary warrior. He had Rinnegan, he somehow beat death, he knew about secrets of the universe and was able to gain ultimate power for himself. Compared to Madara, we know almost nothing about Kaguya and don't care about her.
3) Kaguya doesn't talk much, making it hard to understand her motivations.
4) Madara's powers (rinnegan, wood-release, sharingan, jinchuuriki, etc) have all been built up over the course of the manga. We know what Madara's powers looked like when they were used by other people (Nagato, Hashirama, Itachi and Sasuke, Naruto and Bee, etc), and we expect Madara to be able to unify them and take them to the next level. We have no such expectations about Kaguya, because none of her powers have been seen before in any form.

The whole manga was spent showing Naruto and the development of his power and technique. Now, his power is completely different from what it ever has been, making so much of the manga worthless in explaining how he got to where he is now.

Throughout the whole manga, Sasuke was a revenge-minded fool. Suddenly he is a helpful hero type who works well in a team. The whole history of Naruto and Sasuke is wasted because suddenly the dynamic is different.

Through the whole manga, we've been building up to the idea of madara as the final villain. Suddenly he gets killed out of nowhere and the "true" villain is revealed in the form of Kaguya who we do not know and do not care about.

In other words, over 600 chapters of manga have been building up to....something completely new and different that the rest of the manga never built up to.