Is hebi Sasuke really stronger than a kage

[Uchiha boii]

Naruto base this is common sense how hard is it to understand all akatsuki members are kage level period deidara is mid kage level as he took out the kazekage while he had home field advantage deidara has actually beaten a kage hebi sasuke stomped deidara with his only hope being a suicide bomb all this and sasuke had zero attempt to kill and obito was helping deidara telling him sasukes location and setting his mines aka hebi sasuke is kage level hokage kakashi tsunade and mei all get beaten easily by hebi sasuke MS sasuke would have killed ay no problem idk how people come to a different conclusion sasuke wouldve impaled him with enton spikes ending his life while ays dead corpse would fall onto sussano lol bottom linehebi sauce was OP

 

[Ambivalence]

If Tsunade can land a punch in Madara she can land a punch on Sasuke.

Tsunade never landed a punch on Madara. Lmao. You're probably referring to that scan of Madara's Wood Clone that was meant as a diversion (means he probably didn't even try to dodge) getting taken out. Let me show you how well that diversion worked:

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Now, if I were to argue the way you do, I'd say Sasuke can just do one kawarimi and instantly win, but... nope.

Mistakes get made on the battlefield. There are all sorts of ways for Tsunade to land a punch. She is a critical thinker too. She has EXPERIENCE.

Basically nothing said. Again. Experience means jack when you can't argue how it's used by her to win. Come back when you think of ways she can do that, and provide scans to support why.

so what would Sasuke do when she does that brain signal alteration tech she did on Kabuto? Kabuto was able to figure it out eventually but he also took hits because of it. Tsunade has enough in her arsenal to land a punch.

Half my whole point is that Sasuke won't get touched, which that technique requires and it's not just any regular contact - she has to make a precise hit on the back of his neck [

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], and good luck doing that against CM2 Sasuke. Is Part 1 Kabuto => Hebi Sasuke in speed and reactions now?

With a Susanol to take the hit, It's gonna hurt.

There won't be any hit, though, plus at worst case scenario Sasuke can let that snake that tanked Deidara's C1 take a punch and then counterattack while she's still recoiling. Not that he'd be forced to, just one of the many options he has.

I gave you feats but you dismiss them as "Sasuke dodges" okay sure but how long can he keep that up. Tsunade is a Senju. They are built for fighting Uchiha and we are talking about an Uchiha who hasn't even awakened MS yet. You are overhyping the Sharingan.

What the hell are you talking about? :lol Are you going to give me any argumentation supported with feats or not, because this is just make-belief nonsense. If Tsunade was a Senju that are apparently built for fighting Uchiha then she should've been at least close to Madara's level, even though even 3T Alive Madara would beat her. Also, only the Senju that were born and were forced to fight in the first war specifically against their rival clan the Uchiha are "built" to fight them, which Tsunade isn't a part of. You arguing this ridiculous point is like me saying kid Madara stands a chance against her just because he was whooping adult Senjus without a Sharingan, which is equally as garbage logic as what you wrote above.

Precog doesn't automatically mean the fight is one or no Uchiha would have ever lost to anybody. Clearly that is t the case. Again Tsunade fought MADARA another Uchiha (THE UCHIHA) with those self same Uchiha abilities you just laid out and more she held her own. Again why do you think Tsunade would fair worse against a 3 Tomoe Sharingan user. Because it's Sasuke? :sdo:

No idea how to even counter any of this, simply because there isn't anything to counter. Tsunade had the help of 4 other Kage against Madara who was not serious for 90% of the fight and they were still losing. Madara is an extremely bad example. Then there's the fact Tsunade absolutely never entered close combat fighting with Madara, she only landed attacks Madara decided to tank with Susano'o, the fact that Madara doesn't have Sasuke's CQC offense that I lay'd out and actually argued how that would give him the win, and the fact that there's no point in you trying to imply she wouldn't get slaughtered if she was alone against Madara. Lmao.

A/B/C logic at its finest.

 

[Umari Senju]

I don't care how much you love your fav. SM Naruto stands no chance against Deidara. It's completely different fighting styles which Deidara haves the upper hand.

If you knew anything you'd know Kakashi is my favorite not Naruto and Not Sasuke. Which is why I can look at scenarios like this without a ton of bias. 2 different fighting styles yes...but Deidara no longer has the range advantage where sage mode Naruto is concerned. Naruto has more power, more chakra, a bunch of frogs to back him up. He's a SENSOR so hiding bombs underground will do about as well as they did against Sasuke ( who could see them. Sound familiar)

I love how you guys immediately claim someone is a Naruto Fap just because someone doesn't agree that Sasuke can win every fight he is pitted against.

It's okay the Hebi Sasuke can't beat everyone...that's what adult Sasuke is for

 

[Ricardo]

i guess after reading so many manga facts you came to your senses.

Not really, it's common knowledge. Hebi is strong but not that strong. Of all the kages he can face, i'd say maybe Tsunade or Mei he probably mid-high diffs. The rest, Onoki, Ay and Gaara, he haves no chance.

 

[Umari Senju]

Tsunade never landed a punch on Madara. Lmao. You're probably referring to that scan of Madara's Wood Clone that was meant as a diversion getting taken out. Let me show you how well that diversion worked:

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Basically nothing said. Again. Come back when you think of ways she can do that, and provide scans to support why.



Half my whole point is that Sasuke won't get touched, which that technique requires and it's not just any regular contact - she has to on the back of his neck [

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], and good luck doing that against CM2 Sasuke. Is Part 1 Kabuto => Hebi Sasuke in speed and reactions now?



There won't be any hit, though, plus at worst case scenario Sasuke can let that snake that tanked Deidara's C1 take a punch and then counterattack while she's still recoiling. Not that he'd be forced to, just one of the many options he has.



What the hell are you talking about? :lol Are you going to give me any argumentation supported with feats or not, because this is just make-belief nonsense. If Tsunade was a Senju that are apparently built for fighting Uchiha then she should've been at least close to Madara's level, even though even 3T Alive Madara would beat her. You arguing this ridiculous point is like me saying kid Madara stands a chance against her just because he was whooping adult Senjus without a Sharingan, which is equally as garbage logic as what you wrote above.



No idea how to even counter any of this, simply because there isn't anything to counter. Tsunade had the help of 4 other Kage against Madara who was not serious for 90% of the fight and they were still losing. Madara is an extremely bad example. Then there's the fact Tsunade absolutely never entered close combat fighting with Madara, she only landed attacks Madara decided to tank with Susano'o, the fact that Madara doesn't have Sasuke's CQC offense that I layed out and actually argued how that would give him the win, and the fact that there's no point in you trying to imply she wouldn't get slaughtered if she was alone against Madara. Lmao.

A/B/C logic at its finest.

And Sasuke had help at the Kage summit. Even against Ay. He didn't do it on his own. :sdo:

Also she didn't hit Madara directly she hit (and cracked) his Susanoo. Hebi doesn't have a Susanoo. Also it is still an Uchiha. Serious or no, the techs he used were greater than the feats of Hebi Sasuke.

Are you going to tell me that 5 Mokuton Madara clones each with a legged Susanoo is weaker than Hebi Sasuke? She had to fight those 5 clones on her own( as Madara created 25. 5 for each Kage. She managed to help out the others while doing this too) swatting away the fire tech Madara used against another Kage while fending off her own 5 apparently isn't a feat comparable to fighting Hebi Sauce.

But I'm done. No point in carrying this any further. I gave my opinion and as usual since we are talking about Tsunade it automatically means she can't win. Especially since we are talking about Sasuke. So I'm
Just going to bow out now. I don't feel like debating this anymore uttahere:

 

[Ricardo]

If you knew anything you'd know Kakashi is my favorite not Naruto and Not Sasuke. Which is why I can look at scenarios like this without a ton of bias. 2 different fighting styles yes...but Deidara no longer has the range advantage where sage mode Naruto is concerned. Naruto has more power, more chakra, a bunch of frogs to back him up. He's a SENSOR so hiding bombs underground will do about as well as they did against Sasuke ( who could see them. Sound familiar)

I love how you guys immediately claim someone is a Naruto Fap just because someone doesn't agree that Sasuke can win every fight he is pitted against.

It's okay the Hebi Sasuke can't beat everyone...that's what adult Sasuke is for

Like i said before, i don't care how much you love your fav or how much you love Naruto.
Deidara is one of the worst enemy for SM Naruto. He usually opens with flying up, where he is pretty much unreachable for Naruto - except through FRS, but Deidara has shown extreme mid-air maneuverability so it poses little threat for him.

Once he flies up, he can casually rain down bombs or, if he gets tired by KB, he uses C4. Naruto lacks Sharingan, Raiton and the brains necessary to figure that one out, so he's dead meat. Go ahead and try reply back to make me change my mind which ain't gonna happen.

 

[Detonator99]

and in doing it completely eats up the frs turning it into pure flame which is beneficial to sasuke not naruto so its basically the same thing

so deidara has better firepower, so? what is this supposed to prove? you want to talk about advantage.

fight ends here if obito hadent alerted him to sasukes presence

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he wasnt going for the kill because he needed info on itachi from him, evidenced as when he purposely didnt strike deidaras heart as he says athough that was a clay bunshin.

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but its for that reason deidara doesnt receive a chidori/chidori spear or a sword stab through his heart instead a punch here otherwise fight ends

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he also came into the fight with knowledge on the sharingan and counter to sharingan genjutsu whereas sasuke had no form of knowlege on him and had to formulate plans to find out. with those disadvantages, sasuke battle prowess turned the tide in his favour.

Your last two scans just proved your first point moot deidara can sense killing intent i wouldnt made any diference had obito warned him or not.

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Had sasuke not have his lightning afinities he wouldnt have any resort to scape from this.

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[Styles]

Your last two scans just proved your first point moot deidara can sense killing intent i wouldnt made any diference had obito warned him or not.

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Had sasuke not have his lightning afinities he wouldnt have any resort to scape from this.

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:wut: How does knowing you're inside genjutsu = sensing killing intent?

@Bold Dude what? :wut:

 

[King Of Pop]

=Detonator99;20746099]Your last two scans just proved your first point moot deidara can sense killing intent i wouldnt made any diference had obito warned him or not.

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yet he didnt even know sasuke was behind him until obito gave him the heads up. he simply knew sasuke placed genjutsu there so he prepared the clay bunshin before.

you still didnt couner the last scan where he was at sasukes mercy but the latter opted to punch.

Had sasuke not have his lightning afinities he wouldnt have any resort to scape from this.

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considering deidara would have been dead before this even happened then its moot.

 

[Ambivalence]

And Sasuke had help at the Kage summit. Even against Ay. He didn't do it on his own. :sdo:

Completely irrelevant to anything. You're the one that was hyping up Tsunade like she would last more than 10 seconds against Madara without the Kages, I just revoked that.

Also she didn't hit Madara directly she hit (and cracked) his Susanoo. Hebi doesn't have a Susanoo. Also it is still an Uchiha. Serious or no, the techs he used were greater than the feats of Hebi Sasuke.

So? :lol Madara activating Susano'o means he'd rather tank than enter close combat, mostly because Ay was also pressuring him plus the other Kages could jump in if he lowered his defense. Again, he was perfectly able to casually react to Tsunade, which you're making it sound like without Susano'o he'd be dead (as if) and since she never, ever even exchanged a blow with him you have no point.

Sasuke not having Susano'o means nothing, as he's proven time and time that he's extremely evasive and proficient in CQC plus he won't have 4 Kages waiting to strike so he won't just be on the defensive like Madara. Just give me a page where Tsunade has a taijutsu fight with someone at least close to Hebi Sasuke's level, and you can at least start to have a point. I know no such scan exist, though, so...

Are you going to tell me that 5 Mokuton Madara clones each with a legged Susanoo is weaker than Hebi Sasuke? She had to fight those 5 clones on her own( as Madara created 25. 5 for each Kage. She managed to help out the others while doing this too) swatting away the fire tech Madara used against another Kage while fending off her own 5 apparently isn't a feat comparable to fighting Hebi Sauce.

Let me know when 5 giant Susano'o closnes all have the movement, reaction and striking speed as Sasuke, plus his Raiton and snake CQC potential, and are not just giant slow humanoids with slow attacks, which, by the way, Tsunade either failed or neglected to dodge [

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], either of which will end her against Sasuke since he'll aim for the limbs or for a decapitation..

I gave my opinion

That's exactly right. You gave your opinion, you didn't try to debate. Two different things.

and as usual since we are talking about Tsunade it automatically means she can't win. Especially since we are talking about Sasuke.

Oh, please... don't pull this card on me. :lol Sasuke beats Tsunade, simple as that. VS section is largely also in agreement of the same.

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Tsunade doesn't beat Hebi Sasuke. Most of my points were ignored while you just rely on things like flimsy portrayal, so... that's that.

 

[Detonator99]

:wut: How does knowing you're inside genjutsu = sensing killing intent?

he wasnt on genjutsu.

@Bold Dude what? :wut:

Read the entire argument before asking what is that whe are talking about.

King of pop is saying that without sasuke lightning to negate deidara earth style he would still had somehow come out victorious.

 

[Umari Senju]

Completely irrelevant to anything. You're the one that was hyping up Tsunade like she would last more than 10 seconds against Madara without the Kages, I just revoked that.



So? :lol Madara activating Susano'o means he'd rather tank than enter close combat, mostly because Ay was also pressuring him plus the other Kages could jump in if he lowered his defense. Again, he was perfectly able to casually react to Tsunade, which you're making it sound like without Susano'o he'd be dead (as if) and since she never, ever even exchanged a blow with him you have no point.

Sasuke not having Susano'o means nothing, as he's proven time and time that he's extremely evasive and proficient in CQC plus he won't have 4 Kages waiting to strike so he won't just be on the defensive like Madara. Just give me a page where Tsunade has a taijutsu fight with someone at least close to Hebi Sasuke's level, and you can at least start to have a point. I know no such scan exist, though, so...



Let me know when 5 giant Susano'o closnes all have the movement, reaction and striking speed as Sasuke, plus his Raiton and snake CQC potential, and are not just giant slow humanoids with slow attacks, which, by the way, Tsunade either failed or neglected to dodge [

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], either of which will end her against Sasuke since he'll aim for the limbs or for a decapitation..



That's exactly right. You gave your opinion, you didn't try to debate. Two different things.



Oh, please... don't pull this card on me. :lol Sasuke beats Tsunade, simple as that. VS section is largely also in agreement of the same.

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Tsunade doesn't beat Hebi Sasuke. Most of my points were ignored while you just rely on things like flimsy portrayal, so... that's that.

Your tone sounds like you're taking my OPINION to heart. It's an opinion nothing more. Your condescending tone notwithstanding-

You win bro! I get it.
I lost
I was wrong
You were right
Nothing but manga facts....blah blah blah. And all that

 

[Jiren]

he wasnt on genjutsu.



Read the entire argument before asking what is that whe are talking about.

King of pop is saying that without sasuke lightning to negate deidara earth style he would still had somehow come out victorious.

So are you trying to nerf Sasuke because he has more than 1 element? You upset Naruto can only use wind?

 

[King Of Pop]

King of pop is saying that without sasuke lightning to negate deidara earth style he would still had somehow come out victorious.

i didnt say that personally lol just referencing the manga. sasuke had another option just in case. thats what the manga said. but at the end of the day he has raiton which proved enough so lets leave the "what ifs" aside

 

[Detonator99]

yet he didnt even know sasuke was behind him until obito gave him the heads up. he simply knew sasuke placed genjutsu there so he prepared the clay bunshin before.

Did deidara ever mentioned that if wasn't for tobi warning he wouldnt have noticed? Deidara had already reacted to sasuke sneaking him twice in that fight nothing realy points out that he wouldn't had reacted especially when he din't even had look if he was on the right side or the left show that he knew where he was coming from trough his kiling intent.

you still didnt couner the last scan where he was at sasukes mercy but the latter opted to punch.

That was after he got trapped by deidara small C4.

considering deidara would have been dead before this even happened then its moot.

?? Where would he have been dead lol.

 

[King Of Pop]

=Detonator99;20746204]Did deidara ever mentioned that if wasn't for tobi warning he wouldnt have noticed?

why does he need to mention it when thats what the manga shows?

Deidara had already reacted to sasuke sneaking him twice in that fight nothing realy points out that he wouldn't had reacted especially when he din't even had look if he was on the right side or the left show that he knew where he was coming from trough his kiling intent.

he reacted only once. the second time was during that instance in which he was given that chance to react due to obito otherwise he would have been cut down.

That was after he got trapped by deidara small C4.

ok so? how does it change anything?

?? Where would he have been dead lol.

where obito warned him which happened early on in the fight. sasuke blized out of his LOS and would have ended it there.

 

[Detonator99]

why does he need to mention it when thats what the manga shows?


he reacted only once. the second time was during that instance in which he was given that chance to react due to obito otherwise he would have been cut down.


ok so? how does it change anything?


where obito warned him which happened early on in the fight. sasuke blized out of his LOS and would have ended it there.

I am getting tired of this debate lets just agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Styles]

he wasnt on genjutsu.



Read the entire argument before asking what is that whe are talking about.

King of pop is saying that without sasuke lightning to negate deidara earth style he would still had somehow come out victorious.

:wut: But he fell for Sasuke's genjutsu like 3/4 times.

No what I meant was basically why take away x from a character when it's a main thing.

 

[DIzmiz01]

Sasuke became cage level in his fight vs Bee but with his curse mark he could probably keep up with Mei and Tsunade all the other kage bend him over

 

[Jiren]

Sasuke became cage level in his fight vs Bee but with his curse mark he could probably keep up with Mei and Tsunade all the other kage bend him over

Sasuke can beat Onnoki. Old geezer is too slow for Sasuke and Sasuke can fly using CM, trick Onnoki trapp him in a genjutsu and Onoki is finished.