Is Goku still a hero?

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Is Goku still a hero?
To me he really does not seem to be one atm in super.

In dragonball and dragonball z he was focussed a lot on caring for other people their feelings and protecting his loved ones and others.
Even at the cost of his own life.
Also going very far regarding forgiveness regarding enemies.

However in dragonball super he is basically just about wanting to get as strong as he can get.
Sure in dragonball and dragonball z he was focussing on getting stronger too, but that seemed to go hand in hand with the caring about others and protecting people.

In dragonball super he seems really selfish.

Beerus and Whis warn Goku not to go to Zeno, due to possible risks involved for the universe.
Yet Goku doesnt take them serious and does whatever he wants anyway.
That doesnt look respectful to me.
He should be thankful for the power and training that he has gotten from Beerus and Whis and
take their wishes and concerns more serious.
The risks he takes with contacting Zeno, can affect up to universes full of people, yet Goku
still goes through with it anyway, just for his own selfish desires it seems.
The desire of wanting to fight as strong as possible fighters and pushing himself into becoming stronger and stronger.

Maybe Goku changing like this is not neccesarily a bad thing.
Its interesting in a way and he would be more fitting for being a God of destruction this way, if he is ever able to apply for the job.

Vegeta on the other hand seems to have made the opposit development.
With that I mean having an increase in caring about others and putting his own needs less often above others than before (whereas Goku seems to have a decrease in that department in dragonball super).
Vegeta is skipping on training for others, now that Bulma and his baby is going to be born and previously a day out with the family. Also setting his pride aside in doing a silly dance to calm down Beerus (when Beerus first visited earth).

He said he doesnt share Goku's sense of forgiveness but Goku doesnt seem very forgiving to people either anymore in super. Maybe that has to do with Goku's past mistake of not finishing off Frieza, who later on endangered earth and Whis giving him a second chance to finish the job.

Naruto is also a goofball at times but Naruto has become very wise throughout the series.
Goku used to have this great sense of forgiveness (which is wise in a sense), but I havent spotted this in a long while in super. Not after Frieza's revival at least.
Goku is more naive nowadays and also has become increasingly arrogant and prideful. Maybe arrogant and prideful in a different way than applied to Vegeta, but still Goku has seen an incrase in arrogance and pride.

Anyway, how do you look at Goku right now?
Still a hero but in a different way?
No hero anymore?
How do you feel about this?
 
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Honestly, If you pay close attention to DBZ, He only enjoyed fighting more than saving the world. Otherwise, he would've wasted fat buu in seconds.

Then the whole black arc....Vegeta clearly stated that he want to protect the future. While Goku clearly stated that he just want to beat black goku.

Goku is done playing hero. He is acting more like a "God of destruction" than a hero!
 

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Goku was always selfish. The anime made him look like a hero when he clearly just wants to fight strong opponents.

At least DBS is showing more of how Goku should have been.
 

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Super seems to be going with him being crazy in the head so no he is not a hero anymore. He lost that drive he had about protecting his love ones.
 

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"Real threats" were lost since buu saga, Goku is rather bored of his peace time. The Saiyan's nature is only fit for war after all.
 

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Honestly, If you pay close attention to DBZ, He only enjoyed fighting more than saving the world. Otherwise, he would've wasted fat buu in seconds.

Then the whole black arc....Vegeta clearly stated that he want to protect the future. While Goku clearly stated that he just want to beat black goku.

Goku is done playing hero. He is acting more like a "God of destruction" than a hero!
He didnt waste Fat buu in seconds because he didnt want earth to keep relying on him to save it. Therefore he used part of his remaining time on earth to teach Goten and Trunks. Many enemies of the past came to earth due to him, therefore he had also declined being wished back in dragonball z after the cell games.

He really cared a lot more about protecting others in dragonball z compared to dragonball super.
He put others their needs more above his own in dragonball z compared to dragonball super.

I think the dragonball z Goku would probably have listened to Beerus and Whis about not going to Zeno to ask when the tournament is held.
Whereas the dragonball super Goku didnt take them serious enough and went through with going to Zeno anyway.
 
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He didnt waste Fat buu in seconds because he didnt want earth to keep relying on him to save it. Therefore he used part of his remaining time on earth to teach Goten and Trunks. Many enemies of the past came to earth due to him, therefore he had also declined being wished back in dragonball z after the cell games.

He really cared a lot more about protecting others in dragonball z compared to dragonball super.
I think after the cell fight, he would realize not to force kids to fight a dangerous person. Goku lost his senses after overcoming that virus. He only tried to redeem himself by trying to blow up with cell on kai planet to avoid telling Gohan that he is sorry for putting him in that tough spot.
 

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I agree, the only time we saw Goku act somewhat like a hero was when he got mad at Black for telling him how he murdered Chi chi and Goten

And one thing that bothers me is how dumb he is, I mean back in DBZ he was smarter, at least that is my opinion

The character that I really like in DBS is Vegeta, it's nice to see him develop feelings for his family and fight for them not just for himself as he used to
 

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I'm pretty sure in the original Japanese version, Goku was just a selfish dude who always wanted to fight. Hell, in the last chapter of Dragon Ball, Vegeta mentioned that Goku was lying about training Uub so he could be a hero, and that he just wanted a good fight.

Like the Zeno thing. When Trunks comes back to warn them about the Androids in the original Dragon Ball Z series, Bulma suggested finding and killing Gero before he activated the Androids so they could stop the end of the world. Goku and Vegeta both refused because they wanted to fight them, and Goku was more concerned about the fact that he never got to fight them in the future than the fact that the future was ruined in the first place.

The whole "I am the light in the darkness, I am a hero" thing was added in the English dubs so he'd appeal to Western audiences more.
 

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Is Goku still a hero?
To me he really does not seem to be one atm in super.

In dragonball and dragonball z he was focussed a lot on caring for other people their feelings and protecting his loved ones and others.
Even at the cost of his own life.
Also going very far regarding forgiveness regarding enemies.

However in dragonball super he is basically just about wanting to get as strong as he can get.
Sure in dragonball and dragonball z he was focussing on getting stronger too, but that seemed to go hand in hand with the caring about others and protecting people.

In dragonball super he seems really selfish.

Beerus and Whis warn Goku not to go to Zeno, due to possible risks involved for the universe.
Yet Goku doesnt take them serious and does whatever he wants anyway.
That doesnt look respectful to me.
He should be thankful for the power and training that he has gotten from Beerus and Whis and
take their wishes and concerns more serious.
The risks he takes with contacting Zeno, can affect up to universes full of people, yet Goku
still goes through with it anyway, just for his own selfish desires it seems.
The desire of wanting to fight as strong as possible fighters and pushing himself into becoming stronger and stronger.

Maybe Goku changing like this is not neccesarily a bad thing.
Its interesting in a way and he would be more fitting for being a God of destruction this way, if he is ever able to apply for the job.

Vegeta on the other hand seems to have made the opposit development.
With that I mean having an increase in caring about others and putting his own needs less often above others than before (whereas Goku seems to have a decrease in that department in dragonball super).
Vegeta is skipping on training for others, now that Bulma and his baby is going to be born and previously a day out with the family. Also setting his pride aside in doing a silly dance to calm down Beerus (when Beerus first visited earth).

He said he doesnt share Goku's sense of forgiveness but Goku doesnt seem very forgiving to people either anymore in super. Maybe that has to do with Goku's past mistake of not finishing off Frieza, who later on endangered earth and Whis giving him a second chance to finish the job.

Naruto is also a goofball at times but Naruto has become very wise throughout the series.
Goku used to have this great sense of forgiveness (which is wise in a sense), but I havent spotted this in a long while in super. Not after Frieza's revival at least.
Goku is more naive nowadays and also has become increasingly arrogant and prideful. Maybe arrogant and prideful in a different way than applied to Vegeta, but still Goku has seen an incrase in arrogance and pride.

Anyway, how do you look at Goku right now?
Still a hero but in a different way?
No hero anymore?
How do you feel about this?
I think that he thought that Zeno wouldn't threaten the universes because, in Goku's mind, Zeno is a really nice guy. However, besides that point I completely agree with you. Goku was a more wise person back in Z.
 

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DBS is focusing on a Journey to discover the secret of Multiverse and power that lies behind the existence. Its no longer about a "threat". Yes Zamasu after Frieza was the second big threat but the battle between Frieza is more about personal issue between Frieza and Goku/Vegeta.

Zamasu is the first villain that having a goal beyond Goku and Vegeta that was destroying all human. Goku still cares about being a savior but he did it with mind of a Saiyan and no longer act like a human full of compassion. Thus what he had in his mind is battle and victory.

For Zeno, the Omni-king should know everything about Goku (as he is omniscience) and act accordance to Goku's behavior that he knew the Saiyan got big interest in fighting.
 

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I'm pretty sure in the original Japanese version, Goku was just a selfish dude who always wanted to fight. Hell, in the last chapter of Dragon Ball, Vegeta mentioned that Goku was lying about training Uub so he could be a hero, and that he just wanted a good fight.

Like the Zeno thing. When Trunks comes back to warn them about the Androids in the original Dragon Ball Z series, Bulma suggested finding and killing Gero before he activated the Androids so they could stop the end of the world. Goku and Vegeta both refused because they wanted to fight them, and Goku was more concerned about the fact that he never got to fight them in the future than the fact that the future was ruined in the first place.

The whole "I am the light in the darkness, I am a hero" thing was added in the English dubs so he'd appeal to Western audiences more.
Yup, classic example of dub trading the author's original depiction of the character (more often than not the thing that makes that character interesting) for a generic presentation that only shows the dub's reluctance to take a risk and do something different.
 

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Yeah, I was never a fan of Goku. But in DBZ he was a lot smarter, serious and overall more likeable than he is in DBS. He pretty much is only a bored maniac at this point. I kinda wish Beerus destroyed him this episode, so Goku could come back to his senses in the afterlife.
 

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um did you even pay attention during the series? goku has never been a hero. its always been about the fight for him and whatever else happened happened. he really only showed hero qualities against raditz.

against the sayains he went all out vs vegeta and got creamed and when gohan lucked out and injured vegeta instead of having a superior "evil" opponent killed who could come back and wreck them at any moment he lets him live because he wants another fight for himself (goku as a character has no idea he's protected by plot and will get stronger than anyone so this is a selfish choice).

vs frieza he was heroic

during the cell arc he could have beat cell in their first fight at the cell games and saved the world and future trunks but instead he's in it to see some good fights so he drops out and has everybody get wrecked just to trigger gohan who becomes a weakling later anyway.

during the buu arc he could have killed fat buu in ss3 but chose not to so that everyone again could get wrecked and literally entire planets were destroyed. billions of lives lost so that goku could have a good fight.

he's never been a hero. he's always been a guy looking for a good fight and damn the consequences. they use the dragon balls as if its their own private property to fix all of gokus mistakes since he's literally failed to save earth and a crap ton of lives in every arc.


without the dragon balls goku would be seen as a villain more than a hero

EDIT: goku only ever sacrificed himself because he knew death wasn't a permanent thing. he knew he'd be able to come back every time. even after his death with cell he knew special rules applied to him and he'd always be able to come back and visit.

if anything the only real hero is vegeta who blew himself up against buu KNOWING he couldn't come back and that he'd be sent to hell not some luxury resort with king kai
 
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